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[Cheebs]

I'm not seeing the radical difference everybody else is.

It's a reboot, right? Ship looks basically the same, right?

No problems.

As a Trek fan I have come to notice Trekkies have a weird persecution complex, they are the crazy christian right of sci-fi fans. The complaints are pure nonsense.

I'm not saying to go exactly the same route, just that Enterprise going with an advanced look didn't mean the franchise had erased the original TOS look. I was expecting the outside to look generally the same shape with maybe some add-ons and extra details rather than going with something completely new. The bridge would be harder to leave close to the original and not look awful in modern times, but I figured replacing all the static panels with video screens would go a long way. But nothing seems the same at all.

Wait till you see the trailer. You get to see a lot more of the ship and the bridge.

 

[Anasui Kishibe]

As a Trek fan I have come to notice Trekkies have a weird persecution complex, they are the crazy christian right of sci-fi fans. The complaints are pure nonsense.

not all fans. The new Ent looks great, there are much more important issues we should be worried about

 

[JoshuaJSlone]

If they were going to Battlestar Galactica Trek and do something completely new, that might be interesting. I've wondered for some time now what Trek would be like if they went the Gundam route for new series rather than all sharing the same universe. However, instead of choosing to go that far they're just futzing with things that are already established and pretending nothing's different.

 

[Cheebs]

If they were going to Battlestar Galactica Trek and do something completely new, that might be interesting. I've wondered for some time now what Trek would be like if they went the Gundam route for new series rather than all sharing the same universe. However, instead of doing that they're just futzing with things that are already there.

And only .00001% of the people who see the movie will even care the tech looks more advanced and yet they get to bring back Leonard Nimoy. It's a win, win for them.

If you read those 4 scene descriptions there is plenty of stuff for the hardcore trekkies. Scotty mentions accidently killing Archer's beagle, Nimoy's Spock refernces Star Trek IV....etc

None of that could be there in a reboot.

 

[beelzebozo]

the tech is probably the least important thing so far as getting the "world" right, as far as i'm concerned. nailing convincing portrayals of those iconic characters is going to be the real test. if they pull that off, the rest will pretty easily fall into place.

 

[Cheebs]

the tech is probably the least important thing so far as getting the "world" right, as far as i'm concerned. nailing convincing portrayals of those iconic characters is going to be the real test. if they pull that off, the rest will pretty easily fall into place.

Based on the trailer it's hard to gauge if the crew will well be THE crew, but like I said Karl Urban is fucking DeForest Kelley. Just hearing his line from it, it's total McCoy. He has the voice down perfectly, it's crazy. That's a very good sign.

 

[ckohler]

As long as they don't turn the warp nacelles into booster rockets or something, I'm fine. The established technology in Star Trek is my favorite part and I'd be concerned if they started reinventing that.

 

[Instigator]

Based on the trailer it's hard to gauge if the crew will well be THE crew, but like I said Karl Urban is fucking DeForest Kelley. Just hearing his line from it, it's total McCoy. He has the voice down perfectly, it's crazy. That's a very good sign.

What about Scotty?

 

[DrForester]

As far as Enterprise looking more high tech than the Original. I think before they came out with Enterprise Berman and/or Bragga basically told the fans to deal with it.

 

[Anasui Kishibe]

Based on the trailer it's hard to gauge if the crew will well be THE crew, but like I said Karl Urban is fucking DeForest Kelley. Just hearing his line from it, it's total McCoy. He has the voice down perfectly, it's crazy. That's a very good sign.

that's great. Just after seeing his picture I thought we'd had a winner casting choice right there. He looks phenomenal, he can do accents pretty well and now that you're confirming he's Bones all the way I'm even more excited to see the rest of the crew

 

[JayDubya]

Cheebs, thus far the Star Trek franchise has been concerned with establishing a strong sense of continuity. They also do time travel a lot in all the Trek series, but when they do, they improve the quality of the animation / models without altering the designs. Revisiting the same time frame with different actors is a neccessity because actors die. "Recasting" the ship is a bit different.

Canon and all that. The natural evolution and improvement of Federation design mirroring the ability of real producers and special effects folks to realize better looking ships, which is why we have an Enterprise NCC 1701, 1701-A, 1701-B... That's the way it's been, and it works out fairly naturally.

I'll see the movie and hope it's better than the source material, because I have no regard for the source material. The ship itself getting a massive facelift and looking different upsets some people that do. I don't care much because I never cared for Kirk and Spock et. al, but I can sympathize.

Don't get me wrong, I get how this is an attempt to do something different because what they were doing wasn't working. But thus far, the franchise hasn't been operating on the same paradigm as Bond or comic books or whatever, so you should be able to understand that longterm fans won't necessarily appreciate the paradigm shift.

 

[Kenobi]

I'm not seeing the radical difference everybody else is.

It's a reboot, right? Ship looks basically the same, right?

No problems.

Well, a lot of the uproar is from the fact that JJ & Co are NOT saying it is. They don't want to call it a reboot even though people who have seen the movie, like Kevin Smith, say it is. So, I guess until JJ comes out and says "Ok you got me, this is a total reboot of epic proportions" then things will settle a bit.

 

[Busty]

My problem with Abrams big screen version of Trek is the Kirk and Spock as 'kids' angle he's gone for, not the designs and 're-booting' of the 60's TOS asthetic.

In fact, it's the design of the Enterprise in Abrams that I'm really excited about. I could see the fanboys point it it was radically different. But complaining about the size of a secondary hull?

You. Are. Of. Course. Joking.......

It's not like there's a shortage of models, toys and pictures of the classic design to keep them happy in their Mother's basements.

Spoiler

Zing

 

[Cheebs]

Cheebs, thus far the Star Trek franchise has been concerned with establishing a strong sense of continuity. They also do time travel a lot in all the Trek series, but when they do, they improve the quality of the animation / models without altering the designs. Revisiting the same time frame with different actors is a neccessity because actors die. "Recasting" the ship is a bit different.

Canon and all that. The natural evolution and improvement of Federation design mirroring the ability of real producers and special effects folks to realize better looking ships, which is why we have an Enterprise NCC 1701, 1701-A, 1701-B... That's the way it's been, and it works out fairly naturally.

I'll see the movie and hope it's better than the source material, because I have no regard for the source material. The ship itself getting a massive facelift and looking different upsets some people that do. I don't care much because I never cared for Kirk and Spock et. al, but I can sympathize.

Don't get me wrong, I get how this is an attempt to do something different because what they were doing wasn't working. But thus far, the franchise hasn't been operating on the same paradigm as Bond or comic books or whatever, so you should be able to understand that longterm fans won't necessarily appreciate the paradigm shift.

The look may be different but it is still canon. Scotty talks about Archer, Old Spock references events from Trek IV...etc and that is just from the 4 scenes screened to the press.

And the whole romulan/spock time travel thing is all tied into the Unification story line of TNG from what we can tell.

The movie deals HEAVILY with the 24th century since the main villian and Spock come from the post-Nemesis time period. That should signal they aren't just ignoring the stuff that came before this.

 

[Kenobi]

And the whole romulan/spock time travel thing is all tied into the Unification story line of TNG from what we can tell.

Which is? Sorry, I haven't watched that two part episode in years.

 

[JayDubya]

Which is? Sorry, I haven't watched that two part episode in years.

Spock wanted to reunite the two peoples and two cultures as one; this was not particularly sanctioned by the Federation, nor tolerated well by the powers that be on Romulus.

 

[Anasui Kishibe]

and that was a damn good episode as well. Spock still kicking ass at 120 or something is always a good thing

 

[Busty]

Spock wanted to reunite the two peoples and two cultures as one; this was not particularly sanctioned by the Federation, nor tolerated well by the powers that be on Romulus.

If Obama was a Vulcan he'd have that shit taken care of in an afternoon.

 

[Cheebs]

It's pretty interesting for a movie aimed at new fans and old TOS fans based on all the reports I seen it seems to assume the audience knows Spock (old Spock that is) is heavily tied into what is going on with the Romulans.

 

[JayDubya]

It's pretty interesting for a movie aimed at new fans and old TOS fans based on all the reports I seen it seems to assume the audience knows Spock (old Spock that is) is heavily tied into what is going on with the Romulans.

Space Seed was 1967, Wrath of Khan was 1982. Fifteen years.

Unification was 1991 (god I feel old, I remember watching this as a little kid), this film is 2009. Eighteen years.

Of course, Unification had stronger ratings. And in any event, like with Khan's TOS episode, I doubt you'd have to know the minor details of those two episodes for the sake of this film.

 

[Anasui Kishibe]

why are the Romulans bald anyway? Is Nero the leader of some sort of separatist cult?

 

[ckohler]

why are the Romulans bald anyway? Is Nero the leader of some sort of separatist cult?

I believe so.

 

[JayDubya]

why are the Romulans bald anyway? Is Nero the leader of some sort of separatist cult?

I think it was speculated that they're trying to avoid looking like Romulans, right?

 

[beelzebozo]

this shit needs a cameo by harry mudd

 

[Cheebs]

I think it was speculated that they're trying to avoid looking like Romulans, right?

The picture of Nero released by Paramount had his ears where the points were ripped off and his head was shaved. So it seems like he did some sort of self-mutilation to hide the fact he is Romulan.

 

[Anasui Kishibe]

I believe so.

I think it was speculated that they're trying to avoid looking like Romulans, right?

this makes sense. Ripped ears, tattoos, I bet they even changed their names. Nero doesn't sound like your typical Romulan name

 

[Cheebs]

Here it is. His ear looks like someone took a bite out of the point part:

for ear comparison:

 

[JayDubya]

Yup. Eric Bana's character is a Space Elf alright; he cut off his ear tips.

 

[WrikaWrek]

Has the trailer leaked online or something?

 

[Cheebs]

People who write Trek must be pissed at whoever wrote Balance of Terror and declared the federation has no idea romulans look like vulcans, Enterprise and this movie have keep finding loopholes to keep using the race while avoiding showing what they look like.

 

[JayDubya]

People who write Trek must be pissed at whoever wrote Balance of Terror and declared the federation has no idea romulans look like vulcans, Enterprise and this movie have keep finding loopholes to keep using the race while avoiding showing what they look like.

One aspect I've never understood, nor delved into, is how Spock and Vulcans in general wouldn't have known.

 

[DrForester]

People who write Trek must be pissed at whoever wrote Balance of Terror and declared the federation has no idea romulans look like vulcans, Enterprise and this movie have keep finding loopholes to keep using the race while avoiding showing what they look like.

Enterprise never directly encountered the Romulans, They encountered an unmanned scout ship designed by the Romulans. Also a Romulan minefield, but no visual contact was ever made.

The show might not have been that good, but the show was pretty faithful to the timeline.

 

[Morts]

Any idea when the trailer will be online?

 

[Cheebs]

Any idea when the trailer will be online?

Monday but this is the internet. Hand held cam versions of will pop up at any time. In fact I am shocked they haven't already.

 

[Marty Chinn]

You are absolutely insane if you think the ship from In a Mirror Darkly could work in a giant summer blockbuster. That was small time on UPN. That ship would NEVER look right in a 150 million summer blockbuster, come on.

I never said that it had to be the 60s version of the ship. I just wanted something that looked better and closer to the proportions of what has been shown in the past. I'll use the example again, going from the TV show to the movie Enterprise is a perfect example of how you retain the basic proportions and shape while giving it an updated face lift to make it look new and better. They could have done something more along that line than reshaping it to the degree that they did.

Here's specifically what I think makes it look odd. It's a combination of the positioning of the neck being pushed inward more and also looks like it's longer so that it looks more centered on the body rather than at one end. Then you have the sloping underbelly in the back that slopes about 2/3rds of the body. This causes the body to feel slimmer and more saucer heavy than it used to. I think if you either pushed out the neck a bit to be more like the original, or don't thin out the body so much, it would make a significant difference on the proportional look of the ship and would be an improvement.

Right now you got a very saucer heavy, with it centering on a thin body with really thick looking warp nacels and it just looks odd to me proportionally. That is why I don't like it. Sure the ship has the general same shape, but you could do a lot of things that would look terrible and still keep the same shape. Plus as others have said, they have claimed this is somewhat in continuity and not a reboot so changing the canon this drastically is shocking. Heck why did they bother even keeping the same general look of the 60s uniforms and why not go and change the federation logo while they're at it?

 

[Cheebs]

I never said that it had to be the 60s version of the ship. I just wanted something that looked better and closer to the proportions of what has been shown in the past. I'll use the example again, going from the TV show to the movie Enterprise is a perfect example of how you retain the basic proportions and shape while giving it an updated face lift to make it look new and better. They could have done something more along that line than reshaping it to the degree that they did.

Here's specifically what I think makes it look odd. It's a combination of the positioning of the neck being pushed inward more and also looks like it's longer so that it looks more centered on the body rather than at one end. Then you have the sloping underbelly in the back that slopes about 2/3rds of the body. This causes the body to feel slimmer and more saucer heavy than it used to. I think if you either pushed out the neck a bit to be more like the original, or don't thin out the body so much, it would make a significant difference on the proportional look of the ship and would be an improvement.

Right now you got a very saucer heavy, with it centering on a thin body with really thick looking warp nacels and it just looks odd to me proportionally. That is why I don't like it. Sure the ship has the general same shape, but you could do a lot of things that would look terrible and still keep the same shape. Plus as others have said, they have claimed this is somewhat in continuity and not a reboot so changing the canon this drastically is shocking. Heck why did they bother even keeping the same general look of the 60s uniforms and why not go and change the federation logo while they're at it?

I am surprised how well they kept to the uniforms. The Cage era uniforms even make an appearance in a flashback scene with Pike according to those scenes screened to the press it seems.

It seems like they want the uniforms, and story line to be consistent but update the technology.


Oh and speaking of uniforms, to those who find it odd that Kirk is always in that black under-shirt in all the pictures so far and not the gold top you do see him the gold/yellow command shirt in the trailer, it's a very short glimpse but it's there.

 

[Screaming_Gremlin]

One aspect I've never understood, nor delved into, is how Spock and Vulcans in general wouldn't have known.

I was under the impression they did know, they just didn't want anyone else to know.

Either that, or they knew there was an off-shoot of the Vulcans out there somewhere, they just didn't realize it was the Romulans.

 

[Link Man]

I never said that it had to be the 60s version of the ship. I just wanted something that looked better and closer to the proportions of what has been shown in the past. I'll use the example again, going from the TV show to the movie Enterprise is a perfect example of how you retain the basic proportions and shape while giving it an updated face lift to make it look new and better. They could have done something more along that line than reshaping it to the degree that they did.

Here's specifically what I think makes it look odd. It's a combination of the positioning of the neck being pushed inward more and also looks like it's longer so that it looks more centered on the body rather than at one end. Then you have the sloping underbelly in the back that slopes about 2/3rds of the body. This causes the body to feel slimmer and more saucer heavy than it used to. I think if you either pushed out the neck a bit to be more like the original, or don't thin out the body so much, it would make a significant difference on the proportional look of the ship and would be an improvement.

Right now you got a very saucer heavy, with it centering on a thin body with really thick looking warp nacels and it just looks odd to me proportionally. That is why I don't like it. Sure the ship has the general same shape, but you could do a lot of things that would look terrible and still keep the same shape. Plus as others have said, they have claimed this is somewhat in continuity and not a reboot so changing the canon this drastically is shocking. Heck why did they bother even keeping the same general look of the 60s uniforms and why not go and change the federation logo while they're at it?

Boo-hoo. They wanted to make it look like a '50s Cadillac so that it would seem retro and tie into the era of the original series. You want something that looks like a toy.

I like it. It looks flashy, which fits with Kirk's character.

 

[Shinz Kicker]

The new ship is the culmination of work done by people who know how to construct awesome looks like aestehically pleasing designs in the 21st century. not some nerd with legos styrofoam and doll rods making him self think is terrible sex toy kinda looks like a rocket ship.

Spoiler

in b4 people posting lego enterprises

 

[Snaku]

 

[Cheebs]

The new ship is the culmination of work done by people who know how to construct awesome looks like aestehically pleasing designs in the 21st century. not some nerd with legos styrofoam and doll rods making him self think is terrible sex toy kinda looks like a rocket ship.

Spoiler

in b4 people posting lego enterprises

Ryan Church is the guy who designed the new ship for those who are curious, he did the designs for the ships in the Star Wars prequels as well.

 

[DrEvil]

... The Final Frontier



Did anyone else just get like.. really fucking giddy at the fact that they'll be seeing NEW star trek footage tonight?

 

[LCfiner]

A bit off topic but still concerning Trek design.

Is anyone else impressed that the LCARS design created 20 fucking years ago for TNG still looks futuristic? It doesn't look dated, IMO. now that's great production/ graphic design.

All this bickering and concern over reworking TOS design elements for today's age really got m appreciating the LCARS design. I could see TNG design bits staying true for at least another 10 or 20 years.

I should be seeing the ST trailer tonight before QOS so I'll probably pipe in later with some impressions. I hope it impresses me.

Did anyone else just get like.. really fucking giddy at the fact that they'll be seeing NEW star trek footage tonight?

raises hand

 

[DrEvil]

A bit off topic but still concerning Trek design.

Is anyone else impressed that the LCARS design created 20 fucking years ago for TNG still looks futuristic? It doesn't look dated, IMO. now that's great production/ graphic design.

All this bickering and concern over reworking TOS design elements for today's age really got m appreciating the LCARS design. I could see TNG design bits staying true for at least another 10 or 20 years.

I should be seeing the ST trailer tonight before QOS so I'll probably pipe in later with some impressions. I hope it impresses me.




raises hand

Michael Okuda is a genius for the LCARs design.

I cant help but feel happy, regardless of my individual qualms about how things may or may not look, the sheer fact that there is new STAR TREK, finally, after what, four years since ENTERPRISE went off the air and getting the bad taste of berman/braga out of my mouth... the fact that there's new star trek just makes me happy.

It's been too long, and if this movie does well, and they do more... it'd be phenomenal to see a new TV series too... my inner trekkie is back, now bring it on.

 

[Marty Chinn]

Boo-hoo. They wanted to make it look like a '50s Cadillac so that it would seem retro and tie into the era of the original series. You want something that looks like a toy.

I like it. It looks flashy, which fits with Kirk's character.

Wanting something that looks in better proportion to the shape of the Enterprise is me wanting something that looks like a toy? What?

 

[Cheebs]

As someone who saw the trailer let me just say ALL trek fans even the bitter ones will be pumped up by the trailer. You see the fucking enterprise warping through space, transporter effects...etc. Just that stuff alone should bring a smile to even the most hardened fans.

 

[Sapiens]

OMG - he actually looks real for once.

Thank fucking god.

 

[Ignatz Mouse]

The biggest difference I see that it's sleeker, and it looks more solid (those nacelles on the original look like they could be shot off too easily). It's a good change, IMHO.

And screw it, it's a reboot. They just don't want to say so. When this makes a ton of money they'll make another with the same cast that breaks more continuity yet, just watch.

 

[DrForester]

Ryan Church is the guy who designed the new ship for those who are curious, he did the designs for the ships in the Star Wars prequels as well.

That explains the crappy chrome.

And once again, I say that not as a nitpicking fanboy. But as someone with a pair of eyes.

 

[Sapiens]

Come on, people. Star Trek was getting long in the tooth. Like Roger Ebert said in his Nemesis review, the ship's bridge was starting to look like a futuristic security guard station.

Thank god they're going in the direction they are. The franchise badly needs this.

Remember, when Nick Myer took the reigns for TWoK, he broke cannon as well.