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[Amir0x]

...i just got home and they're infected Mario with Mii on Wii U? As if they could make the style of New Super Mario Bros. even more generic?


Fuck me

 

[GAF A60-Rim A]

...i just got home and they're infected Mario with Mii on Wii U? As if they could make the style of New Super Mario Bros. even more generic?


Fuck me

The Miis are optional. Check out the screens in the thread

 

[SolidSnakex]

Eh, I think it looks pretty damn good. It just shows how well simple artstyles can translate to HD.

 

[GrotesqueBeauty]

...i just got home and they're infected Mario with Mii on Wii U? As if they could make the style of New Super Mario Bros. even more generic?


Fuck me

Apparently E3 is a magical time when I actually agree with you about something.

 

[Always-honest]

Another screenshot

Spoiler

Dolphin is a great, great emulator.

looks better, because it's a real finished game with art direction that isn't rushed.
Mario Bros Wii-U should look a lot better.

 

[Shikamaru Ninja]

It makes sense. Have the "Wii mega teams". Meaning the teams that had the ultra casual blockbusters immediately on sequels. New Super Mario Bros Mii everyone will love i'm sure. Wii Sports HD looked really interesting. Wii Fit HD etc. Then you had a couple of really cool Mii games and that new Galactic Shooter game that feature Mii'd samus blasting a buddy in third person. That could be awesome.

Add some traditional HD games and we should at least have a BETTER system than Wii. I'm sure the controller lends itself to more traditional games. I hope we have an accolade and robust online system.

 

[lethial]

Bland looking tech demo.

 

[GameE]

OK
I dont know where to put this but does anyone have login info for the press site> I remember there was one last year.

 

[Amir0x]

also why does Mario look like a Wii game?

I'm confused here. I guess I just got dropped in the middle of the raucous but did they show games that pushed the Wii U? The Zelda tech demo seemed to be the most pushing, but it doesn't seem particularly impressive versus what we've got this gen. Do we have a relative power metric for this platform yet?

 

[GAF A60-Rim A]

Apparently E3 is a magical time when I actually agree with you about something.

What's wrong with the option of being able to play as your Mii? A lot of people have suggested that would be neat over the past couple years.

 

[Baron Aloha]

This looks exactly like NSMBWii except with Miis thrown in for who knows what reason.

I wish we would have gotten this on Wii based on what they've shown for this so far (which isn't much, I know).

I'm guessing this will be the flagship launch title.

I guess Kirby Wii will be the last decent platformer on Wii (looks really nice, btw).

Edit: Watch someone "port" it to Wii using that NSMBWii level editor.

 

[dwu8991]

also why does Mario look like a Wii game?

I'm confused here. I guess I just got dropped in the middle of the raucous but did they show games that pushed the Wii U? The Zelda tech demo seemed to be the most pushing, but it doesn't seem particularly impressive versus what we've got this gen. Do we have a relative power metric for this platform yet?

I though zelda demo looked better than AC and uncharted but they very different games.

 

[GrotesqueBeauty]

What's wrong with the option of being able to play as your Mii? A lot of people have suggested that would be neat over the past couple years.

I'm more concerned with the recycling of the same tired visuals as the first two NSMB games, which already leaned too heavily on generic designs imo. The Mii's just cheapen the aesthetic further.

 

[StickSoldier]

also why does Mario look like a Wii game?

I'm confused here. I guess I just got dropped in the middle of the raucous but did they show games that pushed the Wii U? The Zelda tech demo seemed to be the most pushing, but it doesn't seem particularly impressive versus what we've got this gen. Do we have a relative power metric for this platform yet?

We didn't really get shown much regarding graphics capabilities. The only thing I've seen so far is someone (I think the dev) working on Darksiders 2 saying that the Wii2 is more powerful than both 360/PS3, but that's all.

 

[Varjet]

8-7 in darkness? Sold.

 

[GAF A60-Rim A]

I'm more concerned with the recycling of the same tired visuals as the first two NSMB games, which already leaned too heavily on generic designs imo.

Exactly like SMG / SMG2, except this time the assets are rendered in HD.

And who knows, there'll probably be online with this thing too.

 

[Amir0x]

I though zelda demo looked better than AC and uncharted but they very different games.

I've watched the Zelda video; Uncharted literally molests it in terms of everything - effects in play, geometry, etc. Not saying that to be confrontational, it is just the facts.

But of course, Naughty Dog is actually familiar with the tech of this gen. I'm looking to see what other devs do, since they'll surely be more competent at it than Nintendo. Did they just not show Wii U games?

 

[GrotesqueBeauty]

Exactly like SMG / SMG2, except this time the assets are rendered in HD.

And who knows, there'll probably be online with this thing too.

Uh, no. This is really nothing like that. At all. SMG was a good example of how to utilize classic themes with a fresh twist. It was chock full of the novelty and invention missing from NSMB.

 

[GAF A60-Rim A]

Uh, no. This is really nothing like that. At all. SMG was a good example of how to utilize classic themes with a fresh twist. It was chock full of the novelty and invention missing from NSMB.

Whaa? I'm saying that reusing assets is something SMG2 did -- from SMG -- and did it well.

And there's no reason this won't be equally as creative and fresh, and visually appealing in HD.

 

[Always-honest]

Did they just not show Wii U games?

not really, no.

 

[Jangocube]

I've watched the Zelda video; Uncharted literally molests it in terms of everything - effects in play, geometry, etc. Not saying that to be confrontational, it is just the facts.

That's a fact? Huh?

From the little we've seen, saying it "molests" Zelda is pretty laughable.

 

[traveler]

Yeah, this looks so bland compared to the other tech demos we've seen on the system and the NSMBW art style certainly doesn't help it.

I've watched the Zelda video; Uncharted literally molests it in terms of everything - effects in play, geometry, etc. Not saying that to be confrontational, it is just the facts.

But of course, Naughty Dog is actually familiar with the tech of this gen. I'm looking to see what other devs do, since they'll surely be more competent at it than Nintendo. Did they just not show Wii U games?

No games. Just tech demos. There's that, some sort of bird demo that everyone saw, and another demo (apparently of a Japanese street) that only the press have seen. The press say the latter blows the other demos away to the degree that they're confused as to why the others were even shown. Vigil, who are porting Darksiders 2 to it at launch, have said the system is more powerful than the 360 and PS3, but to what degree we have no idea.

 

[GameE]

OK
I dont know where to put this but does anyone have login info for the press site> I remember there was one last year.

Anyone? >_>

 

[EmCeeGramr]

I've watched the Zelda video; Uncharted literally molests it in terms of everything - effects in play, geometry, etc. Not saying that to be confrontational, it is just the facts.

But of course, Naughty Dog is actually familiar with the tech of this gen. I'm looking to see what other devs do, since they'll surely be more competent at it than Nintendo. Did they just not show Wii U games?

No they didn't.

Literally everything they showed was a tech demo or a demo reel of a 3rd party game from another platform.


I think the only thing even possibly running on a Wii U was a very early video of a Tekken game where you can draw patterns for customization.

 

[Vespene]

Looks like a well produced flash game.

 

[Amir0x]

That's a fact? Huh?

From the little we've seen, saying it "molests" Zelda is pretty laughable.

It's genuinely not even close. I'd love to hear people fall over themselves to try to legitimately argue against that fact, but Uncharted 2/3 is so vastly beyond what they've shown in the Zelda tech demo video I've seen that it'd be a waste of breathe and posting space to even entertain the type of poster who would argue it. It has got to be vision problems.

 

[GrotesqueBeauty]

Whaa? I'm saying that reusing assets is something SMG2 did -- from SMG -- and did it well.

And there's no reason this won't be equally as creative and fresh, and visually appealing in HD.

I'm saying that SMG brought a new aesthetic to the series. That it had a same generation sequel that expanded upon those themes is great, but I wouldn't want it to be rehashed continually. By contrast, NSMB was made as a throwback to the NES era Mario games, which is great and all, but even at release it seemed a little stale. Then they made NSMB Wii, which thankfully improved upon basically everything about NSMB, but still helped drive that visual style even further into the ground. At this point releasing another NSMB style game is just embarrassing. I mean, the least they can do is start borrowing elements from Mario games that haven't already been regurgitated a half dozen times.

 

[btkadams]

the miis make the game look so cheap. it's a good thing they are optional.

 

[Anth0ny]

oh hey it's new super mario bros Wii running on Dolphin =P

 

[DefectiveReject]

It's genuinely not even close. I'd love to hear people fall over themselves to try to legitimately argue against that fact, but Uncharted 2/3 is so vastly beyond what they've shown in the Zelda tech demo video I've seen that it'd be a waste of breathe and posting space to even entertain the type of poster who would argue it. It has got to be vision problems.

Lol.
Only you............

I'd wait til you get a HD crystal clear video. Then you can try to compare a TECH demo to a fully functioning game.

 

[Jangocube]

It's genuinely not even close. I'd love to hear people fall over themselves to try to legitimately argue against that fact, but Uncharted 2/3 is so vastly beyond what they've shown in the Zelda tech demo video I've seen that it'd be a waste of breathe and posting space to even entertain the type of poster who would argue it. It has got to be vision problems.

Don't worry, I wouldn't ask you to waste your breathe trying to argue it. I don't want to hear your opinion on the matter.

I'm not saying it does or does not look better, but it's still an opinion, not a fact. I take it you haven't seen some of the hands on videos with the demo. But to each his own.

 

[Dever]

Looks like another Mario game. Yay? Nintendo is always the first to make innovative hardware but last to make original IPs. They should really start making new franchises and burying old ones.

 

[GAF A60-Rim A]

It's genuinely not even close. I'd love to hear people fall over themselves to try to legitimately argue against that fact, but Uncharted 2/3 is so vastly beyond what they've shown in the Zelda tech demo video I've seen that it'd be a waste of breathe and posting space to even entertain the type of poster who would argue it. It has got to be vision problems.

o_______0

Uncharted 2 is so vastly beyond the Zelda tech demo? WTF?

 

[sixteen-bit]

*Looks at first screen* I'm glad Nintendo acknowledges the Toad characters sucked.

 

[CoffeeJanitor]

New. Super Mario Mii
Wii Fit HD
Wii Sports HD
Galactic Shooters
Catch Mii / Battle Mi / Shield Pose (Wii Play HD?)
Zelda Teaser

That is what Nintendo prototyped. I'm sure they will announce Pikmin at one of the roundtables.

You're even more of a tease than Iwata. :lol:

 

[Kuran]

o_______0

Uncharted 2 is so vastly beyond the Zelda tech demo? WTF?

Yes?

 

[Azure J]

Methinks it's just the NSMBWii engine running on the hardware resulting in cleaner images but similar art style, polycounts and animations. I'm kinda eh on the presentation side, but it's fuckin' NSMB and probably taking more after Wii than DS in terms of level design. Want. :lol

 

[CoffeeJanitor]

also why does Mario look like a Wii game?

I'm confused here. I guess I just got dropped in the middle of the raucous but did they show games that pushed the Wii U? The Zelda tech demo seemed to be the most pushing, but it doesn't seem particularly impressive versus what we've got this gen. Do we have a relative power metric for this platform yet?

Uh, have you played NSMBW? This looks like a Rembrandt compared to that

 

[Amir0x]

o_______0

Uncharted 2 is so vastly beyond the Zelda tech demo? WTF?

Again maybe you Wii fans aren't used to actual next-gen games, but yes. It is again literally, without exaggeration, not even close. The effects and geometry Uncharted 3 is throwing around are mostly like canyons apart from the Zelda tech demo.

I am not the one who compared the tech demo to Uncharted. That was dwu8991:

I though zelda demo looked better than AC and uncharted but they very different games.

I understand it's just a tech demo from Nintendo, who isn't even particularly competent with next-gen tech yet. I was just stating the simple fact that it's not even close so it's pointless to debate it.

Uncharted 2/3 are galaxies apart from it. Which of course says nothing about the power of Wii U, only that we haven't had competent next-gen devs push it yet

 

[WillyFive]

Uh, have you played NSMBW? This looks like a Rembrandt compared to that

It's the same thing. This is what NSMBWii looks like on Dolphin, except there are now Mii characters.

 

[GAF A60-Rim A]

From Iwata Asks:

New Super Mario Bros. Mii
Iwata: I think people all over the world are eager to find out how Mario and Zelda games would change with Wii U. What can you say about these, Miyamoto-san? Miyamoto: Um…I can't really talk about them a whole lot yet, but Nintendo is finally entering a level of HD graphics, where we're now using shaders9 and such. In that way, it's more… How should I put it, I think people can expect to play more immersive game experiences than before.
9. Shaders: A method of graphic processing that expresses lights and shadows.
Iwata: Immersion. Miyamoto: Yeah. And with Mario… Let's see. It's actually a little heart pounding for me when I test the landings after Mario makes a jump, because the graphics are finer than ever before. I haven't really figured out the direction for this yet, in terms of whether it should be combined with the new controller, or using it as a sub-screen like in Ocarina of Time 3D, or whether it should be playable just with the new controller. With a Mario game, there are both possibilities. Iwata: Well, with New Super Mario Bros. Mii, you're now able to play Mario games with Mii characters. Miyamoto: Right. Iwata: How did this happen? Miyamoto: Well…we really debated about this, but when playing New Super Mario Bros. Wii10 on the Wii console with four people, people always talk about how there are Mario, Luigi, and two Toads, and they wonder why the two are Toads. Iwata: Right, it's already been great fun playing with four players but sometimes you can't tell who's who. Miyamoto: Oh, that's right! (laughs)
10. New Super Mario Bros.™ Wii: An action game for the Wii console released in December 2009.
Iwata: You say things like, "who's that Toad that just messed up?" (laughs) The characters have a distinct color on them but you start losing track in the heat of the moment. Miyamoto: But if we made it so that people can play with Princess Peach, you have to think about how to change her gameplay with her physical proportions, and if we went with Wario people would expect a different ability from him. But we're not able to make all the player characters Toads either. That's when someone brought up how great it would be if you could use Mii characters.

Although, I actually still debate by myself if it's ok for a Mii character to be the main character of a Mario game! (laughs) But I made the decision thinking that our customers would want to play with their own Mii characters the most. I hope people play it thinking that they're their own Mario, rather than their Mii.

And by the increased resolution, you're able to see the Mii characters even when they're very small. And in terms of gameplay, there's already that established environment where four people could play holding the Wii Remote sideways. Iwata: And the environment has started to emerge for it. With the increasing number of households with one Wii Remote for each member of the family and a big screen HDTV, there are many customers who are prepared to play in situations like these. I think that part is fairly easy to communicate. Miyamoto: I think so. Iwata: I wondered how much benefit a Mario game could have with higher resolution. When the development team showed me a prototype of New Super Mario Bros. Mii for the first time, I thought the benefits were obvious. Miyamoto: That's the case, especially with 3D games. Iwata: In how you're able to tell whom it is right away, even when they're far away. Miyamoto: Right, that's what I mean. Also, with side scrolling games like that, you can play with just the screen on the new controller without having to use the big screen when you're playing by yourself. When someone else in your family wants to watch a show on TV while you're playing, you can keep playing on the screen of the new controller, or you can show off your gameplay to the people in the room on the big screen. I think there is a wide range of options in what you can do. Iwata: On the other hand, how is it making something that's completely new? Now that Wii U has been made, is it easier for you now to think of those things? Miyamoto: Hmm… Well… It's just that I actually never worry about what to do when I think about new things. I'm the type that thinks there has to be new things to do. And, every time I finish something people question if I can surpass my past creations. Iwata: That's the same when you work on a series. People ask you what will you do next when you've done everything with Mario and Zelda? Miyamoto: That's right. I always say we've done everything we wanted to do every time we finish a project. Iwata: You did everything you wanted at that moment, but new ideas keep popping up? Miyamoto: Yeah, I always think that new ideas will come out again. It's just that this time around, there are so many options in what can be done; it's actually difficult to narrow down what I should do next. Iwata: Ah, because you have so many ideas flowing, they may disperse unless you narrow them down well. That's your dilemma.

Lately, it has become more difficult for game developers to see what they need to do next to make players happy. So far, I think developers have built in more content to make the games denser, and added quantity hoping that will please the players.

Now I'm really looking forward to what kinds of ways to play you're going to come up with Miyamoto-san, I have high expectations of you. Miyamoto: I got it, I'll do my best! (laughs)

 

[Amir0x]

Uh, have you played NSMBW? This looks like a Rembrandt compared to that

Yes. This is bullshit and a lie and you know it. This looks literally like Wii assets upscaled to HD. It's what Dolphin would output.

Fanboy bs confirmed.

 

[CoffeeJanitor]

It's the same thing. This is what NSMBWii looks like on Dolphin, except there are now Mii characters.

Huh. Yeah, I wish they would switch from the saccharine style here but I don't think it's happening.

Yes. This is bullshit and a lie and you know it. This looks literally like Wii assets upscaled to HD. It's what Dolphin would output.

Fanboy bs confirmed.

I think NSMBW looks like generic shit. This is upscaled generic shit.

 

[GAF A60-Rim A]

Watch the Uncharted 2 E3 Trailer again in HD

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUPAyGWKd6c

It does look better than Zelda.

Some of the pre-rendered cutscenes look MARGINALLY better.

But technically the Zelda tech demo is meant to capture what in-game gameplay will be like and looks much better than most of the UC2 gameplay.

Regardless, how can you say UC2 looks MILES better? Vision problems maybe. Or Amir0x's patented "don't need to switch it on to know".

 

[C.Dark.DN]

Game looks cheap.

I expected a Mario Wii 2 HD game to have beautiful looking environments and lighting. I don't mean realistic.

 

[KingJ2002]

They do not make multiple stages for a tech demo. And they also would not make a "tech demo" of a game that sold 10000 billion. Its a sequel.

All of NIntendo's "E3 2010 3DS" tech demos were released as games.

yeah... everything i saw seemed like it could be a possible game

 

[Drkirby]

The levels look new, so I am happy. Doubt I'll use the Mii feature much unless they can make the Mii's fit in better. Mii integration to Mario Kart Wii looked far better.

 

[Azelover]

Yes. This is bullshit and a lie and you know it. This looks literally like Wii assets upscaled to HD. It's what Dolphin would output.

Fanboy bs confirmed.

How else would the system handle 5 screens at the same time? Did you forget that part?

Also, unless you change the style considerably there isn't actually much you can do to NSMB beyond what has been done.

 

[C.Dark.DN]

I've watched the Zelda video; Uncharted literally molests it in terms of everything - effects in play, geometry, etc. Not saying that to be confrontational, it is just the facts.

But of course, Naughty Dog is actually familiar with the tech of this gen. I'm looking to see what other devs do, since they'll surely be more competent at it than Nintendo. Did they just not show Wii U games?

There's nothing shown associated with the Wii U that makes me believe the power is on par or more powerful than the 360/ps3.

You have a ton of people in other Wii U threads going "LOL you so dumb for doubting the power."

Someone from Vigil games apparently says it's more powerful, but everything I'be seen is meh.

Show me something.

 

[get2sammyb]

Some of the pre-rendered cutscenes look MARGINALLY better.

But technically the Zelda tech demo is meant to capture what in-game gameplay will be like and looks much better than most of the UC2 gameplay.

Regardless, how can you say UC2 looks MILES better? Vision problems maybe. Or Amir0x's patented "don't need to switch it on to know".

I don't think Uncharted has pre-rendered cut-scenes...