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[ElectricBlanketFire]

This is deeply offensive to me. I think it's not a bad thing that a man or woman could choose to try and repair a damaged relationship.

If the scenario is that person A committed unforgivable transgressions, fine. If bill is a rapist and Hillary is complicit, then sure, they're both rotten. But I think the idea that it's a bad look to forgive someone for lying or cheating is just not right.

Maybe this is too close to home for me but this is just not how I view the world.

My wife and I both agree if one of us cheated that would be the end. You could never repair that trust.

 

[Ziltoidia 9]

I think he sees Bill as more dangerous than Hillary, so he is trying to attack him first.

 

[GuyKazama]

I don't understand one thing. All these allegations never stopped Clinton in 92, 96. Not sure why it would work against Hilary.

The rape allegations didn't surface until the end of his Presidency... or at least, they were only rumors until she gave a statement to Ken Starr.

 

[Odrion]

For the record, we all here are still supporting the idea that sexual assault allegations shouldn't be outright dismissed because it disenfranchises other victims to speak out thus strengthening rape culture. Right?

I'm so depressed about this election. I really think Bernie is gonna fuck Hillary over enough that Trump will win.

Based off of what though? Trump still needs a historically high about of white votes to even make that possible, right? Do you think that everybody else are going to just sit in their homes while Trump calls them thugs and rapists?

So unless he pied pipers every white person to vote for him while somehow keeping everyone else locked in their homes he isn't going to win shit.

 

[KarmaCow]

What is the game plan here, to demotivate liberals to vote? It's not like Trump will ever come out looking like the better option especially in regards to social issues anything.

 

[ElectricBlanketFire]

For the record, we all here are still supporting the idea that sexual assault allegations shouldn't be outright dismissed because it disenfranchises other victims to speak out thus strengthening rape culture. Right?

Absolutely. This is just an unprecedented attack ad for a presidential election.

 

[digdug2k]

Probably that she shouldn't have been shutting down allegation's regarding her husband with threats then over 20 years later make quotes that we should take allegations seriously and give the women benefit of the doubt.

In other words, we should take allegations seriously unless it's about my husband then I'm going to ruin your life regardless of the truth.

That's the thing with what Trump is doing. It's legitimate. Sure he has the same thing going on (regarding allegations of his own) but the difference is his base doesn't care and hers should.

AFAIK, this allegation is just from a Sean Hannity interview a decade ago isn't it? Wikipedia doesn't cite anything but that. The entire Hillary part of the allegation is really weird (and it goes against everything Hillary ever did in her career up to and after that point). i.e. Bill raped her, then apparently went home and told Hillary about it. 3 weeks later the rape victim decides to go to a Bill Clinton fundraiser. Hillary sees her, recognizes her as the woman her husband raped, and takes it upon herself to go over and threaten her.

 

[Odrion]

Absolutely. This is just an unprecedented attack ad for a presidential election.

Good, I hope. Because I think we've all learned a whole lot about progressive ideals over the past five years and if those get tossed aside because we must "fall in line" less the boogeyman gets us I'm going to be pretty fucking disillusioned!

 

[GuyKazama]

AFAIK, this allegation is just from a Sean Hannity interview a decade ago isn't it? Wikipedia doesn't cite anything but that. The entire Hillary part of the allegation is really weird (and it goes against everything Hillary ever did in her career up to and after that point). i.e. Bill raped her, then apparently went home and told Hillary about it. 3 weeks later the rape victim decides to go to a Bill Clinton fundraiser. Hillary sees her, recognizes her as the woman her husband raped, and takes it upon herself to go over and threaten her.

No, not really. This VOX article explains it well: http://www.vox.com/2016/1/6/10722580/bill-clinton-juanita-broaddrick

Before going public, Broaddrick had been courted to come forward about the allegations by Clinton enemies for years. She told reporters that an anti-Clinton businessman in Arkansas named Philip Yoakum urged her to come forward in 1992, during Clinton's presidential campaign. When Paula Jones sued Clinton for sexual harassment in 1994, Jones’s lawyers also approached Broaddrick, who declined to cooperate. She only came forward after she was interviewed by independent counsel Kenneth Starr's office and her allegation leaked. Broaddrick told the Journal that Myers pursued her for nearly a year before she agreed to an interview, and that she came forward because she wanted to rebut false rumors circulating after her statements to prosecutors (like that David Broaddrick had accepted hush money from the Clintons in exchange for silence).

 

[Knoxcore]

He will clearly bring it up when debating Hillary. I wonder how she will respond.

She should respond by getting personal and emotional.

 

[Orbis Tabula]

I mean, the more I read about it, the more I find myself believing that there is something of substance to the allegations against Bill. It's a lot of smoke, and I err on believing the side of people who claim they've been raped. I think Hillary would do well to minimizes Bills role in her election campaign, because this is a fucking terrible look. She has Obama to campaign for her, Bill can stay on the sidelines.

 

[ThatGuyAgain]

This is deeply offensive to me. I think it's not a bad thing that a man or woman could choose to try and repair a damaged relationship.

If the scenario is that person A committed unforgivable transgressions, fine. If bill is a rapist and Hillary is complicit, then sure, they're both rotten. But I think the idea that it's a bad look to forgive someone for lying or cheating is just not right.

Maybe this is too close to home for me but this is just not how I view the world.

For many people, infidelity is unforgivable. At least from a standpoint of staying married.

Also, there is more to it than just the affair. He then lied to everyone publicly. "I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Miss Lewinsky." He was impeached by the House for this lie, but Senate rejected his impeachment.

Hillary stuck through all of this which is pretty significant. I guess people can look at it either way:

~ She forgave him for the affair and lies which shows that infidelity in relationships can be overcome with forgiveness.

~ She chose to stick with him for political or other personal reasons.

I just think the way she handled that situation is at least questionable, especially now that she is running for the President of the United States while still married to someone that was nearly impeached.

Not saying that any of the candidates are not subject to similar character questioning, but being that it was a very public situation, I think the way it was handled is something to consider at the very least.

 

[Bam Bam Baklava]

For the record, we all here are still supporting the idea that sexual assault allegations shouldn't be outright dismissed because it disenfranchises other victims to speak out thus strengthening rape culture. Right?

Yes? But when a claim has been looked into for 30 years by reporters and opponents alike and nothing new has been found what course of action can we take? I have no idea if Clinton is guilty or not so what can I do?

 

[AP90]

I think he sees Bill as more dangerous than Hillary, so he is trying to attack him first.

This.

 

[#sorrynotsorry]

Kinda says a lot about Hilary's dedication to politics that she stayed with Bill. There's obviously no love there. But she wants this. She's dedicated

 

[Bobby Roberts]

That's the thing with what Trump is doing. It's legitimate.

Nah buddy.

Nah.

 

[Ri'Orius]

For the record, we all here are still supporting the idea that sexual assault allegations shouldn't be outright dismissed because it disenfranchises other victims to speak out thus strengthening rape culture. Right?

In general. I think it's fine for an exception to be made for close friends and family. If my brother got accused of rape, I'd be in his corner. But society at large, especfially the police/college administrators to whom she made the accusation, should take her seriously.

 

[Ether_Snake]

I mean, the more I read about it, the more I find myself believing that there is something of substance to the allegations against Bill. It's a lot of smoke, and I err on believing the side of people who claim they've been raped. I think Hillary would do well to minimizes Bills role in her election campaign, because this is a fucking terrible look. She has Obama to campaign for her, Bill can stay on the sidelines.

Bill is very hard headed though, goes on the attack even if he's told not to. But I agree, and he's not needed, guy has gotten too old to rally the crowds, let Obama and Joe do it. I hope Michelle would campaign too here and there, don't know if she wants to though.

 

[Aaronology]

Kinda says a lot about Hilary's dedication to politics that she stayed with Bill. There's obviously no love there. But she wants this. She's dedicated

"Obviously", like people on the damn internet know what goes on in someone else's private life and marriage.


Edit:

Yes, eventually he is going to do better with white people AND minorities. Too many people fall for this charlatan. He will systematically destroy Hillary. Rape enabler, dishonest, criminal, etc. is just the beginning.

I can't imagine you're referring to Hispanics or African Americans, so which minorities is he magically going to win over here?

 

[High Fry Frow]

I'm so depressed about this election. I really think Bernie is gonna fuck Hillary over enough that Drumpf will win.

How in the fucking world am I sitting here legit worried that Donald Drumpf will be president? How can this possibly be real life?

How on earth is it Bernie's fault that Hilary is a generally unlikable and untrustworthy person in the public's larger eye. That's her problem, not his.

 

[LosDaddie]

I might actually watch all the debates this cycle. That is what Trump does. He brings the eyeballs.

Such a conundrum when the left are forced to dismiss sexual assault allegations to protect their party.

It's all extremely entertaining, to say the least.

It really is not a good look to stay married to a lying cheating bastard

Correct. There was a recent dating thread, I think the title was "What is Unforgivable?", and the #1 response was cheating.

 

[Rabbi_Vole]

Kinda says a lot about Hilary's dedication to politics that she stayed with Bill. There's obviously no love there. But she wants this. She's dedicated

No one questions her dedication. The object of her dedication has been debated for decades, though.

 

[Y2Kev]

The "she doesn't love her husband" shit is ridiculously scummy and low trash peddled by phony, soulless husks like Carly fiorina. It's embarrassing that it gets dredged up.

 

[Armaros]

The "she doesn't love her husband" shit is ridiculously scummy and low trash peddled by phony, soulless husks like Carly fiorina. It's embarrassing that it gets dredged up.

These threads are just an embarrassment to GAF. This rhetoric would get completely shot down by other posters if it wasn't Hillary in the middle of an electiom.

 

[GnawtyDog]

Burying Bill is a great strategy for Trump. I think if you look at 2012 you have a reason to bury him early. Trump is just defining his opponents.

He's def not dumb.

 

[Into]

His speech in the first debate can just be him reading the names of the women accusing Bill of various heinous shit.

At the end, turn to Hillary and ask "They should be believed, right?"

SLAY the QUEEN, YAS?

 

[Armaros]

His speech in the first debate can just be him reading the names of the women accusing Bill of various heinous shit.

At the end, turn to Hillary and ask "They should be believed, right?"

SLAY the QUEEN, YAS?

On the trump train. Yes?

 

[Into]

On the trump train. Yes?

No, i was on the Rubio train. There is always 2024!

 

[BennyBlanco]

Such a conundrum when the left are forced to dismiss sexual assault allegations to protect their party.

I think Trump's plan for the GE attack ads will be to harp on this and instill a sense of cognitive dissonance in the left. It could work or backfire spectacularly when the skeletons in his closet come to light.

 

[gcubed]

These threads are just an embarrassment to GAF. This rhetoric would get completely shot down by other posters if it wasn't Hillary in the middle of an electiom.

yeah well, when you have immature children you get childish immature responses

 

[Ogodei]

The question is if this will work on anyone who wasn't already in the tank for Trump.

 

[Nibiru]

These threads are just an embarrassment to GAF. This rhetoric would get completely shot down by other posters if it wasn't Hillary in the middle of an electiom.

No one had a problem with the Ted Cruz affairs thread that had basically no evidence at all. Why should a thread where there is actually victim testimony and multiple accusations be dismissed? Oh that's right Ted Cruz is a Republican.

I think Trump's plan for the GE attack ads will be to harp on this and instill a sense of cognitive dissonance in the left. It could work or backfire spectacularly when the skeletons in his closet come to light.

Absolutely it could backfire.

 

[Calamari41]

They can certainly bring back the dirt of 90s all over again, but unfortunately for Trump/GOP, that's a 2016 electorate out there.

The 2016 electorate is indeed very different. Liberal millennial women have a much different reaction to these types of rape accusations than previous generations of liberal women had. Given that these millennials are tending to vote against Hillary as it stands in the primaries, putting Juanita Broaddrick on TV and on stage could indeed have quite an impact on their willingness to fall in line and fawn over Bill and Hillary.

I'm not saying its going to shift the election, but it could definitely do some damage.

 

[SecretMoblin]

I just think the way she handled that situation is at least questionable, especially now that she is running for the President of the United States while still married to someone that was nearly impeached.

He was impeached. Like Johnson before him, the Senate didn't have the votes to remove him from office.

The wounds being brought up in 2016 have a decidedly different nature than they did in the 90s. We have a different understanding of a number of the issues at play. The nervous reactions from a number of Hillary supporters says a lot.

 

[God Dayumm]

This is deeply offensive to me. I think it's not a bad thing that a man or woman could choose to try and repair a damaged relationship.

If the scenario is that person A committed unforgivable transgressions, fine. If bill is a rapist and Hillary is complicit, then sure, they're both rotten. But I think the idea that it's a bad look to forgive someone for lying or cheating is just not right.

Maybe this is too close to home for me but this is just not how I view the world.

It is a bad thing. You are telling women (and men, but most serious victims are women) to try to repair a damaged relationship and subject themselves to more emotional and possible physical abuse. Hillary is not a good role model for handling a marriage or any sort of relationship. This is not even considering the rapes.

As for Trump, this will backfire on him and it will be entertaining. Even without the glasshouse it is not a good look. Can't wait.

 

[Jack Remington]

How on earth is it Bernie's fault that Hilary is a generally unlikable and untrustworthy person in the public's larger eye. That's her problem, not his.

It's Bernie's fault that Democrats can't consolidate right now. He should have dropped out a month ago.

 

[digdug2k]

No, not really. This VOX article explains it well: http://www.vox.com/2016/1/6/10722580/bill-clinton-juanita-broaddrick

I wasn't talking about the rape allegation. I was talking about the "Hillary Clinton threatened me to cover it up" allegation.
EDIT: Ahh, the Vox story does say that other reporters had heard that part of the story, but no one reported it.

 

[B-Dubs]

It is a bad thing. You are telling women (and men, but most serious victims are women) to try to repair a damaged relationship and subject themselves to more emotional and possible physical abuse. Hillary is not a good role model for handling a marriage or any sort of relationship. This is not even considering the rapes.

As for Trump, this will backfire on him and it will be entertaining. Even without the glasshouse it is not a good look. Can't wait.

The thing is, whether a marriage is worth saving after someone cheats can only be decided by the people in the marriage. You or I may not feel it's the right choice, but a lot of people will give it a try if they love the other person enough and see that it's mutual.

 

[ThoughtsOfSpeaking]

This election is going to leave alot of bloody noses and is going to either mobilize or dislluision a generation.

 

[Nairume]

It is a bad thing. You are telling women (and men, but most serious victims are women) to try to repair a damaged relationship and subject themselves to more emotional and possible physical abuse. Hillary is not a good role model for handling a marriage or any sort of relationship.

Isn't the implication here that women (or men) who chose to try and mend a relationship after an infidelity are lesser for it?

 

[God Dayumm]

The thing is, whether a marriage is worth saving after someone cheats can only be decided by the people in the marriage. You or I may not feel it's the right choice, but a lot of people will give it a try if they love the other person enough and see that it's mutual.

I am in my right to tell them they are perpetuating abuse by both cheating and forgiving the cheating.

 

[B-Dubs]

I am in my right to tell them they are perpetuating abuse by both cheating and forgiving the cheating.

If you read my post you'd see I never said you weren't in your right to say that.

 

[teruterubozu]

This election is going to leave alot of bloody noses and is going to either mobilize or dislluision a generation.

Disillusion if it hasn't already. There won't be another Obama anytime soon.

 

[Y2Kev]

Isn't the implication here that women (or men) who chose to try and mend a relationship after an infidelity are lesser for it?

I have already said I find it deeply offensive and the poster has ruled out as a role model someone who forgives and rebuilds vs. someone who leaves. I'm not going any further.

 

[oti]

Doesn't Trump has his own infidelity scandal? This is a corny route to go.

AS IF ANY OF HIS SUPPORTERS CARE FOR ARGUMENTS

 

[pigeon]

For the record, we all here are still supporting the idea that sexual assault allegations shouldn't be outright dismissed because it disenfranchises other victims to speak out thus strengthening rape culture. Right?

I absolutely agree with this.

Looking at the Vox article, there is certainly more evidence to suggest that something happened (post-event witness testimonials, etc.) than that nothing happened.

If I were on a grand jury I would certainly vote for an indictment. I am not sure that, if I were on a jury, I would vote for a conviction, but that's what a trial is for, finding out.

I will note that the allegation was investigated by the FBI and by a lot of media sources, so it's not like it was swept under the rug.

I'm also not sure what to practically do about it now. He is certainly suspect. I believe that something probably happened. I'm not sure what practical action there is to take.

 

[Rabbi_Vole]

Burying Bill is a great strategy for Trump. I think if you look at 2012 you have a reason to bury him early. Trump is just defining his opponents.

He's def not dumb.

It's not just about burying Bill.. Trumps trying to turn him into an anchor that'll pull Hillary down with him.

 

[Joe Shlabotnik]

Doesn't Trump has his own infidelity scandal? This is a corny route to go.

Also that time he yanked on Ivana's hair and forcibly had sex with her in a rage over a failed scalp reduction, according to her sworn deposition.

So yeah some stuff like that

 

[AntraxSuicide]

Yes.

Trump has a very good chance.

He's currently polling way down on white voters. So no, unless maybe you have some data? Or just silly meltdowns?

Yes, eventually he is going to do better with white people AND minorities. Too many people fall for this charlatan. He will systematically destroy Hillary. Rape enabler, dishonest, criminal, etc. is just the beginning.

There aren't enough laughing gifs in the world to respond to this statement. I legit don't know if you're aware of voting patterns among minorities (and Trump's own base) and you're just trolling or if you actually believe that Trump is going to do better with minorities than a blue state Republican did.

 

[Jenov]

It's pretty mean spirited to judge Hillary as a person because of Bill's infidelities.