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[liezryou]

It's impossible to argue in defense of any group seeking to restrict the rights of others because of personal beliefs. Be they Nazis or AntiFa (who both ironically have some things in common, like a disdain of free speech), there's a reason fringe groups don't have mainstream appeal (the odd time they do, it's because of an existing tyrannical faction in power, like the old French or Russian monarchies, for instance).

The Nazis in this game and the "neo" variety of today aren't the same thing, but that's probably because one group was in charge of a world power and another is a loose collection of miserable and uneducated people.

Man your statement sure sounds a hell of a lot like "Some Very Fine People on Both Sides"...

 

[mrlion]

The marketing team are cleverly linking it with modern issues in a way the game doesn't. It's good timing and a great execution.

I say its more of a coincidence. They could've just as well used the same ads for the first game. I just don't see it having a connection.

 

[Gasian]

My most anticipated game of 2017.


A bit? Mick Gordon composed the entirety of The New Order. Wolfenstein 2 is being co-composed by Martin Stig Andersen, but how big of a role he has is unknown #fakenews

I should have went to The New Order page on wiki. That is what I get not for thoroughly checking. You are right, sorry bout that #fakenews right there But yeah great he is back, The New Order had a good soundtrack as well. Very excited for Wolf 2!

 

[legacyzero]

God yes. dat punch

 

[jviggy43]

The responses from the spooky scary steve are hilarious. Defends Nazis, calls a girl flat chested, and then says its unfair to say something like this because it unfairly labels trump voters as Nazis (lol @ unfairly).

It's impossible to argue in defense of any group seeking to restrict the rights of others because of personal beliefs. Be they Nazis or AntiFa (who both ironically have some things in common, like a disdain of free speech), there's a reason fringe groups don't have mainstream appeal (the odd time they do, it's because of an existing tyrannical faction in power, like the old French or Russian monarchies, for instance).

The Nazis in this game and the "neo" variety of today aren't the same thing, but that's probably because one group was in charge of a world power and another is a loose collection of miserable and uneducated people.

Antifa has an issue with historical antecedents of violence from violent groups who are also still a large source of violence; thats not an issue with free speech.

 

[Inuhanyou]

Man your statement sure sounds a hell of a lot like "Some Very Fine People on Both Sides"...

The left does have authoritarian voices no doubt. But its also correct to say that that problem is nowhere near the same as Nazism or authoritarian right. And its generally a false equivalency to state otherwise

 

[RumbleHumble]

It’s impossible to argue in defense of any group seeking to restrict the rights of others because of personal beliefs. Be they Nazis or AntiFa (who both ironically have some things in common, like a disdain of free speech), there’s a reason fringe groups don’t have mainstream appeal (the odd time they do, it’s because of an existing tyrannical faction in power, like the old French or Russian monarchies, for instance).

The Nazis in this game and the “neo” variety of today aren’t the same thing, but that’s probably because one group was in charge of a world power and another is a loose collection of miserable and uneducated people.

Nazis weren't restricting the rights of others because of those person's personal beliefs. They restricted the rights of others because of their skin color, yo. You wanna tell me Antifa does the same?

 

[ElephantShell]

I can only afford one of this game and Assassin's Creed at launch, this marketing is making me really want this.

 

[CannonFodder52]

Of course Nazi lovers are bad, but remember the biggest Nazi killer of them all was Joseph Stalin..

Is this a meme, buddy

 

[Primethius]

I appreciate that Bethesda is so on point with their marketing in regards to Wolfenstein. Especially because of things like Gamergate and the horde of terrible YouTubers/streamers.

 

[hughesta]

incredible

 

[Vamphuntr]

My whole family is either right leaning or independent at most. We don’t find this advertising offensive at all. Hell my dad is more right than any of you can imagine and he loves all the Wolfenstien games.

People shouldn’t take this game as anti right, or anti American. It’s straight up anti Nazi , and that’s just fine to any level headed person.

Current political landscape in the US has lead some to believe that Nazi are not so bad after all. The fact that Trump had some in his close circle certainly helped. I mean even in that twitter thread there is a Russian guy that is offended by this ad. Russian! Guess he can't remember WWII.

Hopefully this one sells well. The first one was amazing,

 

[What did he mean by this?]

It’s impossible to argue in defense of any group seeking to restrict the rights of others because of personal beliefs. Be they Nazis or AntiFa (who both ironically have some things in common, like a disdain of free speech), there’s a reason fringe groups don’t have mainstream appeal (the odd time they do, it’s because of an existing tyrannical faction in power, like the old French or Russian monarchies, for instance).

The Nazis in this game and the “neo” variety of today aren’t the same thing, but that’s probably because one group was in charge of a world power and another is a loose collection of miserable and uneducated people.

So Nazis and Antifa have more in common than people think

But Nazis and Neo-Nazis are pretty different yo

 

[Gold_Loot]

The nazi's are facists, and the right wing is a breeding ground for far right ideology like racism hatred and bigotry, where it comes from neo nazis, the KKK or any other place.

It makes sense to tie them to far right idealogy considering how far the spectrum has gone to the right in recent years, we have a fascist in the white house and a government run by him

It has little to do with the right, and more to do with ignorant bigoted people. There are millions of conservatives that are level headed people.

Just like Machine Games themselves have said. This game is not a political statement. This game is a ‘what if we lost the Second World War ‘ fantasy war drama.

That war happens to be one where my grandfather fought in for four years of his life.

 

[CitizenCope]

They are going to make me buy this aren't they?

 

[OriginalJonty]

A message I can fully get behind.

 

[Squishy3]

I say its more of a coincidence. They could've just as well used the same ads for the first game. I just don't see it having a connection.

It's connecting it to politics but the world itself is really what's connecting the game to politics rather than the game being inherently filled with politics.

This scene is from the first game, and even if America wasn't the way it is right now, this scene would be just as powerful regardless.

World was already established as controlled by Nazis in TNO, and America specifically mentioned.

The image from one of the trailers where it shows men in full KKK regalia having a friendly conversation with a Nazi soldier would be just as striking even if people weren't in full KKK regalia (or without, in the case of someone like David Duke) and people sporting Swastikas on flags and clothing at Charlottesville just recently.


The world made Wolfenstein political, not the other way around. It's the most politically relevant game this year and it's completely by coincidence.

 

[Nauren]

lol I fucking love this.

 

[Alienous]

I can only afford one of this game and Assassin's Creed at launch, this marketing is making me really want this.

I'm guessing the Assassin's Creed games have a similar disdain for Nazis, but you can't be sure (I don't see Nazi punching ads from them), so Wolfenstein 2 seems like a safe bet.

Spoiler

/s

 

[Sai-kun]

nazis btfo

still working on the new order! gotta finish before this one's out

 

[LiK]

Their marketing is what the President should be saying IRL but we have a racist in the WH.

 

[Gold_Loot]

Current political landscape in the US has lead some to believe that Nazi are not so bad after all. The fact that Trump had some in his close circle certainly helped. I mean even in that twitter thread there is a Russian guy that is offended by this ad. Russian! Guess he can't remember WWII.

Hopefully this one sells well. The first one was amazing,

That’s true indeed. I think people forget that just because you’re conservative or right leaning doesn’t mean you’re pro Trump or Pro Nazi.

 

[grosvenor_92]

Machine Games does it again

 

[Inuhanyou]

It has little to do with the right, and more to do with ignorant bigoted people. There are millions of conservatives that are level headed people.

Just like Machine Games themselves have said. This game is not a political statement. This game is a ‘what if we lost the Second World War ‘ fantasy war drama.

That war happens to be one where my grandfather fought in for four years of his life.

It has a lot to do with the right. The right wing in america breeds ignorance and bigoted mindsets.

I'm not saying there are not "level headed" people who believe in right wing ideology. But to say that being anti nazi is not also a fight against right wing extremists today is misunderstanding the fundamental cultural issue

 

[ElephantShell]

I'm guessing the Assassin's Creed games have a similar disdain for Nazis, but you can't be sure (I don't see Nazi punching ads from them), so Wolfenstein 2 seems like a safe bet.

Spoiler

/s

Don't wanna take my chances

 

[demosthenes]

A+

 

[EraldoCoil]

Never played the first one....but will defintiely be supporting and buying this game now.

 

[Eggiem]

They can't though, because censorship.

There is so much misinformation, because it's a very difficult thing, even for us Germans. FYI: The censorship only affects the symbols (SS, swastika, Hitler salute ...) and the wording. There is only German synchronisation available in the German version of WS TNO, because words like "Nazi", "KZ", "Führer" or "Sieg heil!" have been replaced by "soldiers of the Regime" or the "Head of Germany". So to be clear, this censorship doesn't stop the player from killing Nazis (intolerant, xenophobic, brutal fascists).
I'm looking forward to play Wolfenstein 2.

 

[L Thammy]

👍 👍 👍 👍 👍

 

[Steel]

The number of people taking this as an insult in the tweets replies is... Unfortunate.

 

[Pai Pai Master]

Such a shame to see this long running franchise suddenly becoming political....

I too remember the original Wolfenstein where you definitely didn't kill nazis.

Never played the first one....but will defintiely be supporting and buying this game now.

You'd be doing yourself a big favor by playing both The New Order and The Old Blood.

 

[luxarific]

I was going to wait until this went on sale, but the marketing pissing off Nazis and Nazi-sympathizers has been so awesome, I just preordered. I don't care if pissing-off-Nazis was unintentional, it's hilarious and deserves to be rewarded with my preorder.

 

[Gold_Loot]

It has a lot to do with the right. The right wing in america breeds ignorance and bigoted mindsets.

I'm not saying there are not "level headed" people who believe in right wing ideology. But to say that being anti nazi is not also a fight against right wing extremists today is misunderstanding the fundamental cultural issue

Now you’re talking about extremists which I agree. But we’re talking about a smaller portion of people that poison any good willed stance. Extremists are dangerous no matter where they come from.

 

[AYF 001]

Wolfenstein II |OT|: Good night, Alt-Right!

 

[L Thammy]

when the alt account guy comes in to complain about this game becoming political shit on him extra hard for me

 

[Inuhanyou]

Now you’re talking about extremists which I agree. But we’re talking about a smaller portion of people that poison any good willed stance. Extremists are dangerous no matter where they come from.

That's taking the burden off of what the right wing inherently believes, you cant run away from that and pretend is does not exist. You may want to be a "normal person" but if you believe in right wing ideology and vote for those interests, you are propagating the system of destruction that brought us to neo facism.

I want to convince everyone who believes in that to give up their mindset.

 

[ThoseDeafMutes]

The ending credits theme song for this game needs to be a soulful folk metal cover of "Nazi Punks Fuck Off" arranged by Mick Gordon and sung by Tex Perkins.

 

[ZeoVGM]

It’s impossible to argue in defense of any group seeking to restrict the rights of others because of personal beliefs. Be they Nazis or AntiFa (who both ironically have some things in common, like a disdain of free speech).

No.

 

[Squishy3]

That's true indeed. I think people forget that just because you're conservative or right leaning doesn't mean you're pro Trump or Pro Nazi.

If they're conservative and didn't vote Trump then good on them. If you're conservative and voted Trump you're not immediately a Nazi, but you voted someone into office who the KKK and Neo-Nazis rallied behind, as well as a president and government that doesn't give a shit about the people that voted him into office.

My dad voted for Trump because he was against abortion. That's the only stance he brought up when he said why he voted for him. This was also the only argument I can recall he brought up when he said why he voted for George W. Bush back then. He also voted for Obama for both of his terms and generally regards his presidency quite well. I've also talked to him about the obstructionism Congress repeatedly performed against Obama.

That's how the Republicans get the "average American" when all the media they consume is Fox News and the like, and then when they get into office they push forward all sorts of legislation designed to screw over the people that voted them into office, but none of the media they watch talks about that or the gerrymandering that goes on to make it as hard as possible for people that wouldn't vote Republican to vote.

 

[El_Mau]

Ok you got me, day one.

 

[Bioshocker]

Everything has to be political these days. Sigh.

 

[Kusagari]

Everything has to be political these days. Sigh.

Yeah, it’s a shame that saying Fuck you to Nazis is no longer bipartisan.

 

[EscapeArtist]

Everything has to be political these days. Sigh.

I'd like to think that saying "fuck Nazis" is less political and more human.

 

[MrBS]

If the major outlets didn't have something for best marketing in the GOTY awards before they best this year because the doubling down on this is amazing.

 

[Steel]

Everything has to be political these days. Sigh.

The fact that this is even a political point to you is very, very telling.

 

[RedAssedApe]

Everything has to be political these days. Sigh.

Going to assume /s

 

[Inuhanyou]

Whether your a conservative who voted for trump, or one who didnt, your still brainwashed by the ideology of conservatism. Which in America is already too far to the right in regards to screwing over colored people, poors and middle class in favor of the rich white christian with an appetite for neo colonialism. Trump is just a more extreme version of that, a true version of the end result of that world view.

Whether he is too personally brusque for you or not is beside the point

Everything has to be political these days. Sigh.

Everything that affects people IS political. So it better be political. Your screename comes from a game which is a deconstruction of right wing ideology, which i also find ironic.

 

[MKIL65]

Everything has to be political these days. Sigh.

You could always shove your head into the ground.

Oh wait, you're already doing that...

 

[NullPointer]

Going to assume /s

Its either that or /ss

 

[Alucrid]

it's pretty funny to see some people propagate that "video games cause violence" by saying they're afraid the marketing will encourage people to punch trump supporters.