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New Wolfenstein II Tweet Ad: "There is only one side."

Lebneney said:
I abhor Nazis and what they stand for, but man the antifa undertones especially with the political climate as it is... Just hope they know that they know that today you have hypocrisy on both sides.

I don't care what side of the political spectrum you are, whether Trump supporter or a part of the resist side, just care for each other and have meaningful discussions to understand the other side.

Unless you are truly a Nazi, then you need some Jesus.
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What a silly request. The people here who you're disagreeing with do understand the other side. They reject it because they understand it. There is no compromise on hate. There is only one side. If you don't get it, take some time to reevaluate your entire life.
 
Princess Viola said:
Bruh Trump is LITERALLY the person who said that there were 'very fine people' on both sides when one of the sides was literally white supremacists.

And the fact that Trump supporters think anti-Nazi ad campaigns are also anti-Trump says a hell of a lot about Trump supporters.
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To add to this, if a trump supporter is getting upset over a game that is about re-taking america back from the nazis by killing them, that person is either a nazi or nazi sympathizer.
 
Kolibri said:
It's so bizarre that Americans have only just jumped on the "Nazis are evil" thing. The rest of the world has been enjoying killing nazis in games for decades.
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You have it wrong.

Americans have ALWAYS been on the “Nazis are evil” thing. It’s only now that a small but notable percentage of trash have jumped on the “Being a Nazi is good/Not all Nazis/I will defend to the death their right to say it” thing.

The fact that this is controversial is a pathetic low that was infathomable even so recently as when the first game came out.

But when the president is a horrible, racist, narcissistic, incredibly stupid Nazi-sympathizing Caligula and Nazis are killing Americans in the streets then being publicly defended, it’s important to push hard and remind them what every single Nazi deserves.
 
Kolibri said:
It's so bizarre that Americans have only just jumped on the "Nazis are evil" thing. The rest of the world has been enjoying killing nazis in games for decades.
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Sorry but are you dense? The reason America is coming out in droves against Nazis is that Trump has nearly legitimized the Nazi as an acceptable political stance.

We aren't okay with that.
 
America has always been and largely still is anti-Nazi, but the Nazis have also gotten smarter about helping more of America realize that they like some Nazi ideas
 
Man, this game wasn't even on my radar a couple months ago, but between them announcing the Switch port and all the anti-trump/anti-alt right stuff in the marketing, I'm definitely picking it up there when it launches next year.
 
The only uncomfortable thing i have with with the rhetoric against modern day nazis is the violence aspet...it was okay in the 1930s cause we were in a war...but if for example there is a nazi rally somewhere and a protester brings out a machine gun and sprays them all, would that be right?

I just feel strange about it because...yes their world view is shit obviously but these guys arent 1930s german nazis, they took up the nazi flag because they represented a political crusade against minorities, like any domestic white power group such as the KKK or new confederate movements.

But if they are not causing a violent ruckus first, saying stuff like "only good nazi is a dead nazi" could lead to some stuff in the name of vigilante justice. And i don't think anyone who is championing justice wants that on their conscience

I am at all fair for thinking like this? I really want to hear from people as to whether i have any right to that viewpoint or what it is i should really be thinking

Brainfreeze said:
This ad put a big smile on my face.

The "offended" replies took it off my face pretty quickly.

I mean, people being offended by "Nazi's are bad" in this large of numbers is crazy. I can see the news and understand the state we're in right now, but every once in a while it takes a more "at-home" moment like this to put it into proper perspective. The Trump / Republican problem isn't just an old-white-assholes-in-power problem. These reponses are likely largely young gamers who've been indoctrinated. This problem isn't going away anytime soon.

Combine this with the rise of Bernie-style socialists in young Americans, and the US is only going to get more divided as time goes on. Which is crazy considering how bad it already is.

The stage is being set for some bad shit.

Interested to see how Wolfenstein turns out though!
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Aren't we a combating the entire false equivalence notion in here? Why would you bring up "Bernie style socialists" as if they are equal on the opposite side to to the alt right!?

Progressives are not even actual socialists, they are FDR esque social democrats, with the addition of modern day social progressive viewpoints(cause we know white people back in those days didn't give a shit about minorities despite their social saftey net cred)
 
Weren't the previous games also about killing nazis? The original in 1992 even had Hitler himself as a boss. The marketing here makes it look like it's a new thing.
 
nkarafo said:
Weren't the previous games also about killing nazis? The original in 1992 had Hitler himself as a boss. The marketing here feels like it's a new thing.
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Its new because the climate in America is new with the right wing going off the deep end, normalizing relations with white supremacists including the neonazi movement and the KKK

Trump and the GOP in power has essentially normalized far right wing ideologies in general circles.
 
Is it wrong that I'm buying this just to support this ad campaign?

EDIT: Just saw the post above. I'm not alone.

I do own New Order... it's OK. Love the shooting, can't stand the story bits (I just hate these linear story in general though).
 
ItIsOkBro said:
nazis in 2017, what the fuck
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This is what Americans voted for

Like usual they are their own worst enemy
Caelus said:
It's fine to not want to kill the doughboy Nazis in real life, it's satisfying to fulfill the fantasy of killing more militant Nazis in the video game since it expresses the desire to want to stamp out the ideology completely. If I were to see some swastika wearing dickhead in real life, I'd prob warn others around me or confront him if he starts bothering people, probably tell him to leave the area since a swastika constitutes a call to violence.
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It's actually a sign of peace used in Hindu and South Asian culture that Nazi has a similar but different sign for

My cousin got in trouble for this at school because the school staff didn't know the difference
 
Inuhanyou said:
I am at all fair for thinking like this? I really want to hear from people as to whether i have any right to that viewpoint or what it is i should really be thinking
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It's fine to not want to kill the doughboy Nazis in real life, it's satisfying to fulfill the fantasy of killing more militant Nazis in the video game since it expresses the desire to want to stamp out the ideology completely. If I were to see some swastika wearing dickhead in real life, I'd prob warn others around me or confront him if he starts bothering people, probably tell him to leave the area since a swastika constitutes a call to violence. If things get physical I have a right to defend myself.
 
Inuhanyou said:
The only uncomfortable thing i have with with the rhetoric against modern day nazis is the violence aspet...it was okay in the 1930s cause we were in a war...but if for example there is a nazi rally somewhere and a protester brings out a machine gun and sprays them all, would that be right?

I just feel strange about it because...yes their world view is shit obviously but these guys arent 1930s german nazis, they took up the nazi flag because they represented a political crusade against minorities, like any domestic white power group such as the KKK or new confederate movements.

But if they are not causing a violent ruckus first, saying stuff like "only good nazi is a dead nazi" could lead to some stuff in the name of vigilante justice. And i don't think anyone who is championing justice wants that on their conscience

I am at all fair for thinking like this? I really want to hear from people as to whether i have any right to that viewpoint or what it is i should really be thinking
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i get where you're coming from but it's just fear of an extreme imho
 
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potatohead said:
It's actually a sign of peace used in Hindu and South Asian culture that Nazi has a similar but different sign for

My cousin got in trouble for this at school because the school staff didn't know the difference
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I'm South Asian so I'm aware, but there is a clear difference between someone wearing a swastika on a red and white arm band walking around or carving swastikas onto public surfaces, as opposed to a swastika depicted along with other South/east Asian iconography within the right context, don't you think.
 
You guys talking about how you're worried that it isn't okay to suggest violence against Nazi sympathizers...

You realize we had a World War about this, and the end result was that Nazis are a global enemy, right?

Nazis either change their minds, or they are removed. It's that simple. We cannot have another uprising of a group of these people. Violence is not desired, but appropriate.
 
Jintor said:
i get where you're coming from but it's just fear of an extreme imho
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Do not sympathize at all with Nazis. Back in the 30s when they were a fledging political party no one could have seen what was coming. That guy in my opinion should not show any bit of leeway or sympathy towards anything or anyone Nazi related. No freedom for Nazis.

You let them gather and protest then they might inspire others and it steamrolls from there then what?
 
OriginalPoe said:
You guys talking about how you're worried that it isn't okay to suggest violence against Nazi sympathizers...

You realize we had a World War about this, and the end result was that Nazis are a global enemy, right?

Nazis either change their minds, or they are removed. It's that simple. We cannot have another uprising of a group of these people. Violence is not desired, but appropriate.
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Exactly. Violence has a time and place. Reason is wasted on nazis. They only understand violence. So give them violence.
 
It’s a great marketing campaign simply because it’s gaslighting Trump supporters, who have been gaslighting the rest of the world for the last year and a half.

“No, of course it’s not making a reference to MAGA, what are you, a nazi? Do you hate America???”
 
Lebneney said:
You right, but I meant antifa as an organization (the protests and violence I see on local tv) vs the anti-fascist force that the Allies were to destroy and eradicate the Nazis and their sympathizers, unfortunately there are still some today trying to cause a ruckus and have a voice.
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If you think that the most violent movement of this "debate" (if it could even be called that) is the antifa movement, you should probably stop watching news coverage (that constantly look for action in order to get clicks) of their activities, because most people have a wrong perception of them.
 
Inuhanyou said:
The only uncomfortable thing i have with with the rhetoric against modern day nazis is the violence aspet...it was okay in the 1930s cause we were in a war...but if for example there is a nazi rally somewhere and a protester brings out a machine gun and sprays them all, would that be right?
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I don't think vigilante violence is ideal - although I can totally understand how people would feel the need for it when the "legitimate" protectors of social order are perceived as corrupt - but Nazis should certainly have fear drilled into them.

Hateful ideologies aren't going to just die out because they still have their selling points; Nazism provides people with convenient scapegoats and promises of a racist fantasy land. If they're managed well enough, that's not so bad. If the Nazis are left to small gatherings in basements where they cry over the failed ethnostate dream, then even if we can't wipe their ideology out, at least it's left harmless and stagnant. Like how the KKK was broken down from a powerful united violent organization to just a bunch of unaffiliated country clubs connected only by their names and their love of racism.

But if Nazis want to actually want to take power and come out of the shadows, they should be reminded of why they were pushed into hiding in the first place.
 
I will try to post this within the most respect.

The nazi on the AD is from a Totenkopfverbände variant and deserves the most slowest death in the world.

However, differ Wehrmacht (Heer, Kriegsmarine and Luftwaffe) a.k.a Oberkommando der Wehrmacht from nazis. The regular soldier WAS not a nazi.

I'm not gonna teach history here but I will say americans are not killing "nazis" at games or movies for years, but forced conscript germans, hungarians, slovaks, spanishs from the blue division, etc. Prussian tradition also is very hard to explain so read good books about the theme and if you need help, send me a msg that I will recommend some.

And no, I'm not a nazi; I'm just a historian reading a thread with lots of mistakes historically, with gifs from the Ambrose-adaptation movie as source.

This is my view regarding the Western Front 1944-1945. The Eastern Front, thus, it's
fully another thing.
 
SpartanForce said:
I will try to post this within the most respect.

The nazi on the AD is from a Totenkopfverbände variant and deserves the most slowest death in the world.

However, differ Wehrmacht (Heer, Kriegsmarine and Luftwaffe) a.k.a Oberkommando der Wehrmacht from nazis. The regular soldier WAS not a nazi.

I'm not gonna teach history here but I will say americans are not killing "nazis" at games or movies for years, but forced conscript germans, hungarians, slovaks, spanishs from the blue division, etc. Prussian tradition also is very hard to explain so read good books about the theme and if you need help, send me a msg that I will recommend some.

And no, I'm not a nazi; I'm just a historian reading a thread with lots of mistakes historically, with gifs from the Ambrose-adaptation movie as source.

This is my view regarding the Western Front 1944-1945. The Eastern Front, thus, it's
fully another thing.
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I think everybody knows this. People hate Nazis not Germans or anyone else. Just Nazis.
 
Lebneney said:
What I was trying to say was that it seems like the Wolfenstein marketing team wants to equate the Nazis to all Trump supporters or conservatives (which there are some that are Nazis). I personally think that it's an unfair assessment. It's like saying that all liberals or socialists are communists.
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I hope Slayven responded with "But all Nazis are probably Trump supporters", which is likely a correct assessment.
 
Inuhanyou said:
Aren't we a combating the entire false equivalence notion in here? Why would you bring up "Bernie style socialists" as if they are equal on the opposite side to to the alt right!?

Progressives are not even actual socialists, they are FDR esque social democrats, with the addition of modern day social progressive viewpoints(cause we know white people back in those days didn't give a shit about minorities despite their social saftey net cred)
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No, I'm sorry if I phrased that poorly, I was not trying to equate the two at all. I would consider myself fairly Bernie-esque in beliefs. I was just trying to make the point that, not only is our right moving even more crazy far right to the point of extremism, but our left is also moving left. The current democrats seem a little more willing to negotiate (universal healthcare isn't even slightly on most of their radars, for example), and that has it's good and bad sides, but I think in the future any small common ground the two sides might still have will dissipate, assuming the progressive movement holds momentum and isn't diminished over time by, you know, life and aging and stuff.

This is a pretty muddled point now but, to be clear, I'm glad there are people taking a stand against Nazis, and I don't consider being anti-Nazi or pro-Bernie to be in anyway extremism. I just think the present divide will only grow larger over time and that's pretty frightening to me. There was a part of me that thought if Democrats could take control through the next midterm and get rid of Trump that'd we'd be in the path to correcting this, but I think, given the ages present in the alt-right, there's just going to be a strong tea-party esque movement of shitheads for a very long time. Which is kind of "duh" now, but I guess I wasn't thinking that far ahead when trying to tackle the million problems we're facing right now with the current administration. Trump may have emboldened the assholes but getting rid of them isn't going to be as easy as getting rid of him.

I hope that cleared up my point more, sorry for the confusion. I hope I'm not derailing the thread too much.
 
Brainfreeze said:
No, I'm sorry if I phrased that poorly, I was not trying to equate the two at all. I would consider myself fairly Bernie-esque in beliefs. I was just trying to make the point that, not only is our right moving even more crazy far right to the point of extremism, but our left is also moving left. The current democrats seem a little more willing to negotiate (universal healthcare isn't even slightly on most of their radars, for example), and that has it's good and bad sides, but I think in the future any small common ground the two sides might still have will dissipate, assuming the progressive movement holds momentum and isn't diminished over time by, you know, life and aging and stuff.

This is a pretty muddled point now but, to be clear, I'm glad there are people taking a stand against Nazis, and I don't consider being anti-Nazi or pro-Bernie to be in anyway extremism. I just think the present divide will only grow larger over time and that's pretty frightening to me. There was a part of me that thought if Democrats could take control through the next midterm and get rid of Trump that'd we'd be in the path to correcting this, but I think, given the ages present in the alt-right, there's just going to be a strong tea-party esque movement of shitheads for a very long time. Which is kind of "duh" now, but I guess I wasn't thinking that far ahead when trying to tackle the million problems we're facing right now with the current administration. Trump may have emboldened the assholes but getting rid of them isn't going to be as easy as getting rid of him.

I hope that cleared up my point more, sorry for the confusion. I hope I'm not derailing the thread too much.
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I get what your saying. But the thing is that social backlashes like this are always a pretext for something else generally speaking. You can make a white person a racist by blaming minorities and immigrants for their shitty situation. And so the real issue IMO is the social and economic disparities allowing the right wing to gain a foothold in America.

The tea party was born out of people mad about the financial crash of 08, and the GOP were able to reframe that for a war on democrats and Obama.

We havent gotten anywhere since then with political corruption abound, and so once again the right wing were able to combine a dangerous mix of economic populism and Trump style social backlash against leftist social moments and outsiders and minorities as an outlet for that rage. Meanwhile the leftist social movements have been growing in power, and so the alt right and social justice left have been clashing against each other.

If people's quality of life were generally improved, a lot of the outlets they could blame for their shitty situations would no longer exist.
 
Hahaha. It's crazy and funny that in 2017, this is considered controversive to kill nazis in a game and to make ads around it.

You know what's funnier ?
Some people who are calling it controversove might also be people complaining about "political correctness".
 
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