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Next gen doesn't start until Sony/MS first party studios say so?
- Thread starter BLACK AMERICAN PSYCHO
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Wii-U is the first of the next-gen cycle thus making it next gen.
Next Gen started. It's like saying xbox 360 didn't start last gen because the other 2 weren't out. The power inside of these consoles play 0 factor, it doesn't matter if PS4 is 1x or 100x more power because the fact remains the Wii-U kicked off the what? 8th generation?
A few months ago, maybe a year now, someone from one of the chip companies, I think Nvidia, said the new consoles would be capable of 'Avatar quality graphics', and while this tech demo is clearly not that, it's close enough that statement wasn't as completely laughable as I thought, assuming Angi looks this good when we see it on a console.
Outtrigger888
Member
If next gen didn't start with Wii u and is instead determined by power, then the 720/ps4 isn't next gen since they'll never catch up to the power of pc gaming.
BigTnaples
Todd Howard's Secret GAF Account
Just looking at that SE tech demo again, do people believe that's feasible? JordanN just a few posts up mentioned we wouldn't see a PS1 to GC style leap again, but that tech demo is probably the best leap ever outside of SNES to PS1 right?
It seems like an astronomical rise.
He says that because of diminishing returns, but people throw that term around here too easily. There is still a daunting amount of progress until we start to see diminishing returns actually come into play.
PS1 to PS2 was 5 years. The leap was pretty huge.
PS3 to PS4 assuming it launches this year, is 7 years.
The leap will be insane. Heat and power consumption do come into play, but they always have, and there are a lot of x factors like tools, effects, techniques that have been spawned from an abnormally long generation.
The Luminous demo looks breathtaking, but if you look very closely, you see that it looks VERY feasible on next gen hardware as well. That is what is so exciting about the demo to me.
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At first glance it looks almost impossibly good, but if you start to really look at the details, textures, poly counts, lighting, etc you can see that it looks doable.
Especially when 7 year old hardware is pulling this off.
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*Disregarding IQ and Resolution in this comparison. Lets just assume the Luminous demo and Uncharted 3 are both running at 720p with normal amount of AA on their respective systems. I am comparing assets and effects here.
You mean why don't they kill any thread or post that has logic differing that accepted by Wikipedia? I have no idea, the audacity of these GAF mods, it sickens me.
1st party always shows the best tech. You can bet we will be "wowed" right out of the gates with 1st party launch offerings. Then it's all uphill from there.
Orbis/Durango will impress, no doubt in my mind. Both systems should be up to the task of melting faces.
Mr.Squirrel
Tom
Just my 2 cents, but they typically make some of the best games. Uncharted, God of War, and Infamous are my 3 fav IP's this gen. I did play the shit out of COD and SFIV though...
Mr. B Natural
Member
Clearly when people talk about the industry's next-gen, what they're talking about is which console came out first. Cause that would make for a fantastic conversation.
Yes, the WiiU is Nintendo's next gen for hardware, but has nothing to do with the industry's generation or a technological generation. Apple's next generation Ipad may or may not be considered the next gen for the tablet culture. Is it a same-old Ipad but with a bigger screen. If so, then probably not. Does it technologically offer the same shit that they offered YEARS ago? Then probably not.
Everbody knew this before and then, after the WiiU disappointed tech wise, seemed to magically forget.
Figure out what the conversation is about (a company, an industry or something more technical) so you might, just might, be able to participate in it rather than shit it up every...single...time.
Yes, the WiiU is Nintendo's next gen for hardware, but has nothing to do with the industry's generation or a technological generation. Apple's next generation Ipad may or may not be considered the next gen for the tablet culture. Is it a same-old Ipad but with a bigger screen. If so, then probably not. Does it technologically offer the same shit that they offered YEARS ago? Then probably not.
Everbody knew this before and then, after the WiiU disappointed tech wise, seemed to magically forget.
Figure out what the conversation is about (a company, an industry or something more technical) so you might, just might, be able to participate in it rather than shit it up every...single...time.
PC isn't a console. WiiU, like the Wii, will not be considered next gen by the vast majority of people. We'll see how much saying the WiiU is next gen does when Orbis/Durango multiplats start coming out and WiiU gets left out just like the Wii.
I'd be pedantic and compare only 2D to 2D or 3D to 3D, as the PS1 actually was a pretty small jump over the SNES there, CD and RAM did more to improve 2D actually I think than the hardware itself. But if you were to compare Star Fox to Star Fox 64 (or to FFVII even), yeah, we'd be looking at a huge jump that only the Atari 2600 to NES could rival.
Anyways, I don't care what they say they're running those tech demos on, I'm not trusting anything until we have the systems in front of us and all the bullshot-type stuff weeded out. Though, even if we ran with comparing the tech demos to what's out now FFXIII can look really damn good (certainly we won't be running around in that sample shot from Agni's Philosophy), and Naughty Dog really has pushed what the PS3 can do. And honestly, there really isn't much that can top the jump from "no detail" to "significant, recognizable detail".
Outtrigger888
Member
So you still think next gen is determined by power only? What's the definition of next generation?
Pc and console aren't much different. I'm talking about.video gaming in general.
At least the Wii u is innovative and offers something different. Id honestly rather get a.steambox then one of.the.new consoles. I'll have all that freedom and can run all kinds of programs for music production and so forth.
I'll wait and see how appealing these new consoles are before I make a decision.
Generation is definition of a time period. Next-gen means generation that comes after the current one.
Current generation, or a time period, is 8th video game (home) console generation. It was started by Wii U in the end of 2012. PS4 and Nextbox are 8th generation consoles too.
In this case, next-gen means 9th video game console generation, or time period, which will begin sometimes 2018 or 2019 by the release of current gen console successors.
For more information see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_video_game_consoles_(eighth_generation)
For further education, see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_video_games
Like I said, we'll see how much people care about the technicality of the term "Next-gen" when Orbis/Durango games start coming out, and make WiiU look like another Wii vs PS360 situation all over again in terms of graphics as well as game library disparity.
Well, it will be like the Wii vs PS360 situation: Wii U gets the most of the exclusive games, and PS4 and Nextbox share most of the same multiplat games with a 1st party exclusive here and there.
So for the complete console generation experience you'll want to get at least either PS4 OR Nextbox AND Wii U. And if you are not platform limited forum fanboy warrior, you'll of course get all of them.
Term "next-gen" is used so much in totally wrong context and meaning, that it is sometimes hard to believe that there are gamers older than 18yrs in this forum.
That's a weird revisionist history you described there. The vast majority of Wii exclusives are shovelware titles and dumbed down versions of established franchises made specifically for the Wii due to the fact that there was such a huge power disparity between the Wii and HD consoles.
Wii had Nintendo 1st party games and many 3rd party gems (gems as in good games) that were not seen on other platforms. I'm not going to start a list war. Go and find out yourself.
Oh what the heck, I'll get you started. Here you go: http://www.computerandvideogames.co...sic-titles-you-need-to-revisit-on-your-wii-u/
Count the exclusives if you want from that list.
Such a shame that you are so close minded. Wii had some amazing and unique exclusives, but we should always focus on the negative aspects, right?
bunbun777
Member
You do not have to be a teenager to think that next gen refers to something you can see with your eyes, not release dates. I do not disagree at all that WiiU belongs with ps4/nextbox, but when I was a kid... you never saw a new console with the same level of graphics as one of the ones from the past cycle.
We're not kids anymore, we can see how generations means to the market, you don't have to stick to the videogame industry to see this. So with people judging through graphics, we can safely say they are still kids.
bunbun777
Member
Oh sorry, I thought we were relating our discussion based off of what the OP was talking about. The ability for 1st party studios (including Nintendo) to wow their customers.
I'm sure the Wii had some exclusives you found entertaining, but still doesn't change my point about the majority of Wii exclusives being shovelware and dumbed down spin-offs.
Lol, sorry. There's two discussions in this thread.
Glass Rebel
Member
Not sure why you're bringing up relative numbers when Taurus was talking about absolute numbers. Most quality Wii titles you can't get on any other platform while the HD twins have a huge overlap.
JordanN
Banned
Not sure what point you're trying to make. Especially since you didn't even include a PS3 screenshot (or it's not showing up).
But it's hard fact nothing comes close to PS1 to Gamecube leap. I wouldn't argue against it.
BigTnaples
Todd Howard's Secret GAF Account
Well its more like your opinion..
But since you are already calling it "fact" I will go ahead and take your advice and not try to argue with you about it.
We all know Wii had a lot of shovelware, but are you forced to play the bad games? Because I sure as hell can pick all the good games I want and pass the bad games.
I can give you a list of let's say 30 great Wii games that are universally praised as must-have games by press, reviewers, web sites and other gaming related media, and that can not be played on any other platforms. Happy? PM me and I'll answer you.
Because the relative numbers bring down the absolute numbers. Unless of course you bought a Wii to play games like Anubis II. And if that is the case then frankly, your opinion doesn't hold a lot of weight.
Good. The first step is acceptance.
As to the other part of your post, not really because I do not care. I just wanted to point out your idiotic revisionist post in which you were trying to make it sound like the PS3/360 barely had games outside of 1st party exclusives and multiplats.
JordanN
Banned
Do you know what an opinion is? An opinion is not a fact.
Glass Rebel
Member
This is such a bizzarre post, I have no idea what to do with it. It's like you just read fragments and saw that as an opportunity to show GAF that you've learned the word "revisionist".
No, relative numbers do not bring absolute numbers down. You don't play a percentage but a number of games. Look "relative" and "absolute" up if you're struggling with this.
I think we can all agree that the only metric that qualifies the wii u as being "next-gen" is its release date.
Bringing up the Wii's exclusive count as a reason to own one, while stating that the PS3/360 are multiplat machines with "a few 1st party games" when the majority of those Wii exclusives are games no one on gaf would be caught dead playing, is pretty stupid.
If you resort to counting every single one of those Wii exclusives, even titles such as Anubis II as a reason to own a Wii then that just shows you have no intention of being honest and are desperate to defend your stance/try to win the argument.
Glass Rebel
Member
You're still bringing Anubis up when we've been talking about quality titles. But you've already said that you don't care so...
I don't know about you, but the jump from GTA 3 to GTA 4 looked more than a marketing thing to me.
I think it's fair to pick the best looking game from one generation (say: Ninja Gaiden, Chaos Theory and Resident Evil 4) and the best looking ones from the gen after (HALO4, Last of Us, God of War Ascention).
But yeah, your approach also works, though we've seen people at the top of their game (graphically) last gen, deliver underwhelming stuff this time.
Look at Silent Hill 3, for example.. there is no Silent Hill this gen to boast about; or even Metal Gear Solid, really.
MGS3 was amazing looking, MGS4 was very good, but i wouldn't put it on top of anything AND Konami in general didn't deliver anything mind blowing from that point of view.
Here's hoping Ground Zeroes wasn't running on high end PC hardware.
So is the ouya next gen?
Nah, bro.
He isnt talking about shovelware titles like anubis and ____ partyz games. He is talking about titles universally loved. But since you don't want that list he is offering to PM you, you are basically just avoiding the truth.
yes, whether you like it or not.
1st Course
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Evolution_1ne
Banned
how about we compromise
wii u will be about as much apart of next generation as the wii was apart of the current generation
wii u will be about as much apart of next generation as the wii was apart of the current generation
No on both counts.
What!? It will be up to first party to rise UP to the level of 1313 or Unreal Engine 4 especially on the PC. I wonder if that will happen.
By far the most annoying phrase I see thrown around on here. Whenever someone says that it's easy to see that they have no experience around high end PC games. There will always be room to progress, if not in pure texture bumps then in environment detail, weather effects, or animation.