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Well, Google Stadia uses Linux + Vulkan.
It's not that different from FreeBSD + GNM, that's why AC Odyssey porting was relatively easy.
ethomaz
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Google Stadia doesn't even uses Navi.Well, Google Stadia uses Linux + Vulkan.
It's not that different from FreeBSD + GNM, that's why AC Odyssey porting was relatively easy.
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LordOfChaos
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"Based on". In the same sense the PS4's GPU was closest to a Radeon HD 7850, but modified and in an APU.
ethomaz
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Yeap I understood that but that have nothing to do with the PC Linux driver.
CrustyBritches
Gold Member
A simple explanation is that Navi10Lite is the gfx portion of the Gonzalo APU, which is designated by AMD coding as a gaming console. Whole DF vid on this...
If you want conservative estimates, check my takes, or DF. We'll have you depressed in no time.
85% of reeee- thought PS5 would be 12TF or above. No excuses, too, we always knew Vega 64 wasn't going into consoles, but instead Navi. Navi was being pegged by most as better than Polaris jump in perf/watt. AdoredTV had everyone on the trail of a $250/150W/Vega 64-level GPU with Navi 10.
If you want conservative estimates, check my takes, or DF. We'll have you depressed in no time.
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DeepEnigma
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Both companies back then were being very conservative while shifting to a new platform (x86) and handcuffed with the tech at the time, as well as budget constraints. (MS losing billions and never profiting in gaming, and Sony coming off a thin margin PS3 era).
I have a feeling this time around, since they both have a much higher ceiling in revenue and profits in those divisions, make a killing on the back end of services, better deals worked with AMD due to repeat customers (i.e. longterm contractual agreements), etc., that they are not going to take such a conservative approach hardware wise as in 2013.
Hope I am right.
Edit: Remember, these roadmaps were laid with AMD/Sony/MS almost a decade ago with the initial plans and signing of deals. The whole "ecosystem" thing, etc.. What we see at the consumer announcement level now, has already been in the works for years prior by the 3 of them.
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SonGoku
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You can use 24gb gddr6 now and when costs drop switch to hbm3, that would make more sense
NaviLite = small navi
SNEK 385 mm2 = 64CU (big Navi)
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This gozolo crap its not related to the PS5 at all, when the PS5 monster die its revealed people will be ashamed of their words and deeds
SSD is not a replacement for memory though, Its used for streaming only (read ops)
And this is why you don't put too much value on random reddit comments lol.
Size in mm2?fwiw, biggest TSMC 7nm chip ever
Xilinx Starts Sampling 7nm Versal FPGA
Xilinx announced it has shipped its 7nm Versal FPGA (aka ACAP) to its Tier 1 customers and that general availability comes in the second half. Specifications of the first two series are also available.www.tomshardware.com
“Having our first Versal ACAP silicon back from TSMC ahead of schedule and shipping to early access customers is a historic milestone and engineering accomplishment. It is the culmination of many years of software and hardware investments and everything we’ve learned about architectures over the past 35 years. The Versal ACAP is a major technology disruption and will help spark a new era of heterogeneous compute acceleration for any application and any developer.”
50 billion transistors!!
I think that he's missing the point of a wider designWhat do you think of this?
Next-gen PS5 and next Xbox speculation launch thread |OT5| - It's in RDNA
First off you can't just throw in more CUs and call t a day. Secondly, the CU count is really irrelevant when you consider the fact that the GPU clocks are about 2x more than the GPU clocks in 2013. Anyways the issue here is power consumption. That power consumption limits them to anywhere...www.resetera.com
With a bigger 64CU chip (56 enabled) you dont need to match the clocks of the smaller chip, the advantage of the bigger chips is using lower voltage and clocks to achieve greater perf/watt than the small chip clocked higher.
I think consoles will use RDNA2.
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bitbydeath
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It’s dead jim.
www.businessinsider.com.au
Inside Microsoft's ambitious plan to build the future of Xbox, from a Netflix-style gaming service with blockbuster games to brand-new consoles
Microsoft just laid out plans for the future of the Xbox at a massive press conference. We spoke with Xbox leader Phil Spencer immediately afterward.
www.businessinsider.com.au
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
It’s dead jim.
Inside Microsoft's ambitious plan to build the future of Xbox, from a Netflix-style gaming service with blockbuster games to brand-new consoles
Microsoft just laid out plans for the future of the Xbox at a massive press conference. We spoke with Xbox leader Phil Spencer immediately afterward.
Either it never existed (which I am kind of finding it hard to believe he meant the discless junk when mentioning "consoles" last year), or they killed it when they got whiff of the competition's spec goals as theorized on here, as well as seeing how some retailers refuse to even carry SAD. Lockhart also had a discless rumor floating around it.
The "technically that's plural" part, with a laugh seems like a backtrack and opportune wordplay save with the release of SAD, just a tad.
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TeamGhobad
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demigod
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Yeah I think they killed Lockhart so they wouldn't be faced with 2 weaker consoles compared to PS5.
Romulus
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Man a $400 machine just seems like it would be incredibly difficult without a massive loss when looking at the Xbox one X. That machine was $500 without a solid state drive and it had a cheap CPU.
The ps5 will certainly need an expensive cooling solution like X along with a 4k bluray player and with much more power and RAM.. I just don't see how they can cram all that in there, even $500 seems difficult but far more plausible.
The ps5 will certainly need an expensive cooling solution like X along with a 4k bluray player and with much more power and RAM.. I just don't see how they can cram all that in there, even $500 seems difficult but far more plausible.
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Gamernyc78
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I know we are so stuck on the internals and chips used but I also can't wait to see how aesthetically these boxes look. Hope thy look nice.
Gamernyc78
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Yeah tht acronym is bad.
SonGoku
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Fake
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Xbox One S All Digital edition
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Gamernyc78
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I think thts what they call the all digital Xbox s Console.
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DeepEnigma
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Someone spending $250 on a box with a drive removed and a slot remolded closed, when you could have one that does the same and optional disc for $200 in deals for 2+ years now.
SonGoku
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Dabaus
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Spinning Bird Kick, I just want to say, I often lurk on the shithole SJW hellscape that is resetera and would agree with the points you made about next gen in the next gen thread over there. I noticed any critism or realistic prognastic on xbox's position in the market is strictly forbidden over there. Shame they banned you but i think you will add alot here on neogaf. Assuming your the same poster lol.
I said this in another thread: My personal tin hat theory is Sony delayed the ps5 for whatever reason. Made a good custom Navi chip with amd and is now focused on reducing loading times etc. Mean while Xbox got a lot of negative feed back from developers and probably retail if the discless rumors were to be believed about lockheart. So now Ms has to redesign anaconda to be a more affordable console than it was originally supposed to be. Thats how/why ps5 would be more powerful. Just my speculation of course.
Im going to come out and say it, I think all this hype and hyperbole about anaconda being the most powerful is just that, hype and hyperbole. Microsoft hyped e3 2019 to be their biggest show ever and it was a dud. Phil said he wants crackdown 3 to be a pillar of Xbox first party and its at best a laughing stock. MS planned sony would launch 2019 with a 8 terraflop PS5 so of course it was easy to one up one year later. After Navi got delayed and PS5 got resigned MS got caught with their pants down, again. All my opinion of course.
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ethomaz
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Xbox SAD Edition is the complete name.
Xbox S All Digital Edition.
Evilms
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Apparently according to AMD slides : 1 Tflop RDNA/Navi is more than 1.25x than 1 Tflop GCN/Vega.
We notice RX 5700 XT with 9.75 Tflops is 14% faster than Vega 64 with 12.6 Tflops, so 1 Tflop RDNA/Navi is 1.47x 1 Tflop GCN/Vega.
So if the PS5/Scarlett (Navi) have 9 Tflops for example it would give 13.2 Tflops in GCN/Vega, honestly i find it not bad and the difference is likely to be huge with
the PS4 Pro and Xbox One X which are based on GCN/Polaris (2016).
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Gamernyc78
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PS4 consistent and Switch doing good. We all knew tht the digital Xbox which is really just an Xbox s with removed drive wasnt going to do shit. The pricing was way off. I mean you had a Playstation TV which was a mostly digital console (except for the vita cards you could play) much cheaper and tht didnt even do well.
Dabaus
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My understanding that the reason that price is as marked up as it is is because retailers dont want to carry a discless box because besides the initial sale, they wont get any of the software sales off of it. Thats one of the reason im thinking lockheart is rumored to be cancelled. Apart of the rumor was that it too was supposed to be discless to get down to that 299 price point. All my opinion and assumption of course.
Tripolygon
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It has 2, developers do not have access to 1 along with 1 of the 8 ACEs. As far as I know the same is the case with Xbox One, 1 of the GCP is used for the OS and UI stuff etc.
Evilms
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The npd results are not surprising given that all eyes are on the next gen consoles now and that PS4/XBOs are probably in their final year.
Unlike Microsoft, Sony can still play the price down card to $199 to boost sales. On the other hand, you got the wrong thread.
Unlike Microsoft, Sony can still play the price down card to $199 to boost sales. On the other hand, you got the wrong thread.
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TeamGhobad
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the acronym is actually XOSADE people really go out of the way for these
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SonGoku
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mmm interesting is this spread across multiple games?
My baseline 11TF prediction would be beast with these numbers 16TF
Next gen GPU jump might be bigger than last gen after all, didn't thought that was possible
That's worse lol
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Ar¢tos
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The base Ps4 500gb with 2 controllers is already down to 240€ here (unofficial price). I think the official 199 is coming sooner than expected.
SonGoku
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There were rumors about a 7nm slimmer PS4
Fake
Member
Tech sites like Digital Foundry and Venturebeat if I remember right use 'SAD' acronym as well. XSADE its not good either.
Panajev2001a
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Apparently according to AMD slides : 1 Tflop RDNA/Navi is more than 1.25x than 1 Tflop GCN/Vega.
We notice RX 5700 XT with 9.75 Tflops is 14% faster than Vega 64 with 12.6 Tflops, so 1 Tflop RDNA/Navi is 1.47x 1 Tflop GCN/Vega.
So if the PS5/Scarlett (Navi) have 9 Tflops for example it would give 13.2 Tflops in GCN/Vega, honestly i find it not bad and the difference is likely to be huge with
the PS4 Pro and Xbox One X which are based on GCN/Polaris (2016).
Can we please, please, start using theoretical peak FP performance vs sustained/effective instead of saying 1 FP op per second is better than another FP op per second
?Things IMHO make more sense that way.
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TeamGhobad
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i wonder if xbox one x will get a 7nm version. thinking of upgrading for cyberpunk.
Evilms
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Negotiator
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Source?
1 of 8 ACEs is reserved for the OS? Why exactly?
This reminds me of Cell SPUs (1 out of 8 as well)...
Ar¢tos
Member
A recent rumor said that a shrink of the ps4pro to 7nm wasn't financially viable yet, given the similarities to the X1X, it probably means no cheaper x1x slim either (for now).
JLMC469
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Nintendo is kicking ass and tacking names. Hope it continues to dominate. Really happy with their current success.
ethomaz
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bhunachicken
Member
Why not just wait for the Xbox Scarlett? You'd get a better experience that way and I imagine it would be worth holding off playing until then.
There's a bunch of games I'm planning on holding off on playing until the PS5 is launched, as I'm assuming they'll be cross-gen titles and will be much better than on PS4.
TeamGhobad
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you expect me to wait another 6 months?
bhunachicken
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TeamGhobad
Banned
Yes
been waiting 30years its enough
SpinningBirdKick
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For my sins, I am the same poster. Apparently, if you're not a nodding dog and/or not in sync with the echo chamber then you're a troll. No matter.
There's obvious misinformation been distributed by both sides. I think:
- MS is far removed from Navi (either very early foundation or next-next-gen?)
- Too much attention paid to every Navi info drop or spec leak - why the intense interest if you're using it too?
- Lockhart is still a thing and it will be discless
- probably have something in the works to beat the 12.9 TF PS dev summit leak but not by a significant amount
- Sony
- are going to go for a low launch price regardless of MS shenanigans
- are packing more than 12.9 TF
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SonGoku
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Who even has that data lol?
DeeDogg_
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It’s dead jim.
Inside Microsoft's ambitious plan to build the future of Xbox, from a Netflix-style gaming service with blockbuster games to brand-new consoles
Microsoft just laid out plans for the future of the Xbox at a massive press conference. We spoke with Xbox leader Phil Spencer immediately afterward.
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