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DeepEnigma
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LordOfChaos
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Look at the PS4's OG Pastebin specs.
2011
15th December 2011 An article is posted on Pastebin, claiming to be information about the PS4 and new Xbox, here are some key points of the Pastebin: *PS4 codename = Orbis *Due to launch holiday se…ps4history.net
Interesting that they were honing in by January, but in some ways were pessimistic. Also what is it with Sony consoles and dual ethernet rumors lol
Insane Metal
Member
That's actually quite different from the final hardware, itneresting.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Probably since the prototype of the PS3 had 2 HDMI and 3 Ethernet ports. Also, a lot of these go off of early dev units that usually have multiple ports.
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DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Found on ERA.
3840SPs (60CUs) @ 1.68Ghz = 12.9TFs
But it is only tales from his ass lol
This falls in line for what we have been hearing from the very first leaks, especially the person who was dead on about Sony pulling out of E3, as well as his drop that there would be a soft reveal of it near or a bit before E3, which also happened with Cerny and Wired.
Also the 4GB of DDR4 for the OS may be true, etc., to make a full 24GB. 20GB of high bandwidth GDDR6 solely for games with no OS footprint.
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SonGoku
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They better not waste a single byte of that precious fast memory on the OS
20GB would be 4x the memory in PS4 coupled with fast SSD cache devs should be able to build giant interactive and persistent worlds
TLZ
Banned
I did wake up with a boner, If that helps.
Ar¢tos
Member
Honestly, with a SSD that fast 12-16gb of RAM for games are more than enough. More than that is actually an expensive waste, which might be the reason for Sony to invest in expensive SSD tech, that ends up being cheaper that bulking on even more expensive GDDR6. When it takes 1-2 seconds to fill the RAM cache from the SSD, too much memory is just wasting money, die space, increasing price, heat and power consumption.
TLZ
Banned
Yea that's weird.
PS5 Pro and not PS5 lol
SonGoku
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In all fairness - the speculation about devkit speeds has a ton of historical precedent. It's really uncommon for devkits to be at final (or even close to final) clock-speeds this far out. And these deltas are often bigger than 20%. Ie. the leaks centering on the frequencies being dead on are actually less believable on that note - unless of course we're back on the 2019 launch train...
Not saying anything about the rest of his numbers though...
Ar¢tos
Member
But it's true. If you have 3GB/s+ transfer rate to the RAM, you don't need a lot of RAM because you can keep it constantly full compared to the pathetic 50MB/s from previous gen, and you can save $$$ for other parts of the console.This type of logic reminds me off
Fuck it! 4GB should be enough with the magic SSD
In a world with near penalty free Virtual memory (which is what the magic of SSD is bringing us closer to) you need less than 64MB of memory for basically flawless image density (something like pixel sized polygons and a dozen or so texture stages with 1:1 pixel:texel ratio each, on screen) - and that's at 4k resolution.
Granted that's not all the memory usage you need in an application - but the point is that if we actually designed software from ground-up around 3GB/s+ storage being always available, 16GB of Ram is in fact completely unnecessary.
LordOfChaos
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DDR4 latencies are measured in nanoseconds. It's typically somewhere under 20ns.
SSD latencies are measured in microseconds. The fastest SSDs are in the region of 25μs.
Fast SSDs help things but they're no replacement for in-RAM working sets. Any asset miss would incur a 1000x latency penalty on NVMe vs plain old DDR4, an eternity for the CPU or GPU. Always streaming in what you need next before you need it is easier said than done, you have to account any user behavior and so many variables.
More telling? RAM is too slow, rather than pay 100 cycles to wait for it we have several levels of cache on CPUs/GPUs, now imagine waiting 100,000 cycles instead.
"Enough" is a hard thing to define, developers will work to the hardware spec, but more RAM is...More.
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SonGoku
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Going by this logic you would only use 1GB Vram and 20GB of slow DDR4. Slow 3GB/s nand flash is not a replacement for ram let alone fast ram
PS6 wouln't need more than 16GB either since the SSD has infinite cache.
The implication that developers wouldn't know how to take advantage of 20GB + SSD is ludicrous. You are making the mistake of assuming that a 20GB setup wouldn't have all the advantages of the fast ssd streaming cache, so its even better now.
Another factor in favor of 20GB+ is memory bus for bandwidth.
I highly doubt that is the case, PCs already have huge DDR4 caches (16GB-32GB) and yet VRAM is ever growing
If fast DDR3/DDR4 cant replace VRAM why would a puny 3GB/s pull it off? It just doesn't add up.
Also your imagination is limited to current gen game design scope, once you start thinking outside the box with a fast ssd cache and 20gb+ of memory opens up a world of possibilities and new experiences.
btw what's your take on the 8 SE's Navi rumor?
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Ar¢tos
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Sure, but Sony customizations with the sram and other things will help lower latency and games don't use all RAM data instantly. With good management and coding taking advantage of the SSD, 16gb for games should be enough.
Most software today is engineered around 2-3GB of VRam and mechanical drive filling the storage, no other memory caches. And that's basically the high-end.
Is 3GB/s enough to refill 64MB per frame? The math is pretty simple really - but we do need to write solutions that actually utilize it first.
I ran the numbers backwards from physical limitations of a 4k display, and inflated requirements to fully unique data on every pixel-element(about 20x over, to approach 64MB). This is orders of magnitude removed from fidelity we have on display today, though admittedly 'fully unique' data is overkill in 99% of scenarios.
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CrustyBritches
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For anybody bored here's the pre-launch run up of Polaris from 5/14/2016. They had already sent invites to the premier of Polaris 10 at Computex. Makes me think the Sapphire guy spilled the beans and we will see the 2 Navi 10 variants at Computex, Navi 10 XT(a little faster than 2070) and Navi 10 Pro(a little faster than 2060). They said in the article, "provides 390/390x performance at half the power consumption." In real life it was 282W(R9 390) vs 168W(RX 480), and the RX 480 was ~%5 weaker than the 390.
I'm starting to wonder if the Sapphire rep story is real, and we'll see maybe a lower amount of CUs than expected, improved gaming efficiency, high core speed, high power consumption, and high price. Navi 10 Pro = "2060+" $399/~190W/40CU, and Navi 10 XT = "2070+" $499/~210W/44CU. Polaris 10 power consumption was ~10% higher than listed TDP.
I'm starting to wonder if the Sapphire rep story is real, and we'll see maybe a lower amount of CUs than expected, improved gaming efficiency, high core speed, high power consumption, and high price. Navi 10 Pro = "2060+" $399/~190W/40CU, and Navi 10 XT = "2070+" $499/~210W/44CU. Polaris 10 power consumption was ~10% higher than listed TDP.
Insane Metal
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So much conjecture makes me sad
I just wanna know the truth.
I just wanna know the truth.
CrustyBritches
Gold Member
I agree Sapphire cards are awesome. Maybe they'll show Navi desktop gaming cards and Zen 2 at Computex and do soft reveal for Next-box at E3?
Evilms
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AMD Navi RX 3080 Specs Leaked - 8 Shader Engines, 2560 SPs & 256-bit Bus
The countdown to AMD's upcoming next generation Zen 2 & Navi announcement on the 27th of May is quickly ticking down. We're now less than four days away and the leaks just keep on coming. Today's leak pertains to the company's upcoming mid-range Navi GPU, which some sources pin as Navi 10 whilst...
wccftech.com
TeamGhobad
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256-bit bus =(
LordOfChaos
Member
AMD Navi RX 3080 Specs Leaked - 8 Shader Engines, 2560 SPs & 256-bit Bus
The countdown to AMD's upcoming next generation Zen 2 & Navi announcement on the 27th of May is quickly ticking down. We're now less than four days away and the leaks just keep on coming. Today's leak pertains to the company's upcoming mid-range Navi GPU, which some sources pin as Navi 10 whilst...
3080 is ALREADYDEAD.png
AMD and Nvidia's next fight could be over the number 3080
Will the real 3080 GPU please stand up?
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Insane Metal
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256-bit bus sounds low... but we need to know the rest of the GPU. There are some changes, so let's wait and see.
Insane Metal
Member
hmmmmm.
Evilms
Banned
PlayStation’s Dominic Mallinson on next-gen VR, wireless, gaze tracking, foveated rendering, and AR
VentureBeat interview: Dominic Mallinson, senior vice president of R&D at Sony, talks PSVR, wireless, gaze tracking, foveated rendering, and AR.
venturebeat.com
ResilientBanana
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16GB of GDDR6 would be no slouch. 24 GB would be outrageous.
Negotiator
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They can flag certain games that really need it. Most likely next-gen AAA open world games (like GTA6).
Do 500MB indies (like Resogun) need it? Cross-gen AAA games (like Spiderman) won't require it either.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
I would think those games would just have longer loading times as a side effect of not taking advantage of the SSD setup by the end user.
ethomaz
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Navi 10 has 40 CUs... 8 SEs with 5 CUs each from the rumors.
Full Navi (64CUs) only next year.
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ethomaz
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Make a new threadPlayStation’s Dominic Mallinson on next-gen VR, wireless, gaze tracking, foveated rendering, and AR
VentureBeat interview: Dominic Mallinson, senior vice president of R&D at Sony, talks PSVR, wireless, gaze tracking, foveated rendering, and AR.
CrustyBritches
Gold Member
We'll see if that pans out. Did they mention whether the 40CU was the XT or Pro?
ethomaz
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XT.
It is only one chip Navi 10 with 40CUs... the difference how many units are enabled and clocks.
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bitbydeath
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Make a new thread
Already exists.
Sony Interactive Entertainment reveals that 4.2m PlayStation VR units were sold
During various updates happening today thanks to State of Play, Sony Interactive Entertainment revealed that PlayStation VR has sold a massive 4.2 million units as of March 3rd, 2019! Sid Shuman said the following on the PlayStation Blog: We’re also very excited to reveal that we have...
CrustyBritches
Gold Member
That's just like 390/390X. Probably gonna be 44/40 or 40/36.
ComptonJapan
Banned
Brother you seem a bit upset I'm not fanboying over the Xbox One. You alright there? Sip on some Cucumber smoothie, it'll cool you down. It's not like Microsoft is going to change their business plans based on one random person's comment on a forum for your gaming experience to be ruined. Lol.
ComptonJapan
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Sorry, I wouldn't know. I don't fuck bitches that ask for an El Monterey's family value pack of chimichanga's in exchange for sex.
SonGoku
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20GB + SSD should be even better then, why settle for less?
Games today are designed around consoles which have 5GB total memory. PCs have huge memory caches faster than any SSD in the form of DDR3/DDR4 and yet there are current gen games that use more than 5GB of vram.
You are thinking only of current gen games running at 4k
When games are designed around 20GB of memory as a baseline with fast SSD cache, they'll build never before seen expansive and persistent worlds, use new effects that consume more memory the possibilities are endless.
Its disingenuous to claim we that we hit the ceiling of 4K memory requirements forever. As long as PS6 targets 4k it shouldn't need more memory either going by that logic.
DDR4 is enough to refill 64MB per frame, why use VRAM at at all? The math is simple really
GPU manufacturers should only include 1GB VRAM and let DDR4 do the rest.
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SonGoku
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They are midrange 40CU parts, only the high end has 384bit bus
It would be fine, but 20/24GB will produce much more impressive results and have a bandwith advantage
ResilientBanana
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I’m not even mad. But your comment about how MS should stop making consoles was odd say the least. It would be a pretty dumb move on there part and would reverse everything they worked for to get this far. (edited)
No doubt, but if you aim low, you’ll never be disappointed.
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Imtjnotu
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At 256 they are still looking at 576GB/s
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