Jaxx_377
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At 0:36 they are leaving the xbox behind, Playstation team savages
I completely missed that the first time around. Friggin hilarious!
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I completely missed that the first time around. Friggin hilarious!
sircaw
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It almost looks like a picture from Cool hand luke, taking it off here boss.
Most people probably won't remember that movie.
It's fucking Brilliant. scenes like my boy can eat 50 eggs and my Lucille
Explosive Zombie
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It's literally from Raiders of the Lost Ark
saintjules
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Is that the Gamestop layout?
Codexer
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saintjules
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nevermind
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LucidFlux
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At 0:36 they are leaving the xbox behind, Playstation team savages
They did it to themselves.
sircaw
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yer Cory linked the other picture of Indiana Jones the other day, hence why i said it almost looks.
I am just linking good movies.
Rocco Schiavone
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Stop posting this fake shit.
For the last time because of the 12 channel interface for the SSD It's not possible to release a 2tb Version.
825gb, 1625gb 2475gb and so on.
Jesus.
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ethomaz
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Yes... that is why I said it is nonsense.
The yield issues are related to non-functional parts/units of the chip and not that the chip can't reach determined clocks.
All chips reaches the same clock... the binned chips are due some chips have a easy way to overcome the power envelop of the chip than others so they could easy reach high extreme clocks than others and not that the non-binned chip can't reach the clocks of the non-binned ones.
Said that these extreme overclock are in the over limit of the power envelop the chip was designed so it won't have performance gains in a proportional way to the clock.
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BlueXImpulse
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This is fake man.
The only reliable insiders we listen to here are Tidux, Jace, Foxygamesuk and Robert Serrano.
Games Bookstore
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It is neither, and it is both at the same time. It is like when you build a PC with 2 different speed sticks of RAM. The PC will perform to the lower spec RAM speed (although this in itself can be problematic). The only difference here is XS is smart enough to utilise both speeds of RAM more efficiently than a PC or so we are told.
I'm quite certain that the quoted percentage is not correct, but even if it is 10%, it is within the general range of new hardware failure (albeit on the higher end of the spectrum). If you were to compare 360 in its first year, it was supposedly as high as 54% failure rate:
Report: Xbox 360 Failure Rate Reaches 54% - IGN
If your Xbox 360 hasn't broken down yet or suffered from the dreaded red ring of death, then consider yourself pretty lucky. A new survey published by Game Informer reveals the Xbox 360 failure rate has climbed to a shocking 54.2%. The magazine surveyed 5000 readers, asking them about their...
This alone would have staved off any recalls or lawsuits. YLOD was a general hardware error whereas RROD was more specific than that.
Pragmata for that astronaught & girl game. I was soo pissed when I saw the far off release date on that trailer, that game intrested me the most of that entire show.
DaGwaphics
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Clock speeds absolutely do effect yields, as Intel and AMD have described themselves.
I'm not sure what you are calling nonsense.
I'm not saying PS5 has a yield problem because obviously they would have chosen the final clock speed after already seeing the result of production.
ghairat
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You mean, "the only unreliable insiders we are not listening to are Tidux, Jace, Foxygameuk and Robert Serrano."
ethomaz
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Wrong.Clock speeds absolutely do effect yields, as Intel and AMD have described themselves.
I'm not sure what you are calling nonsense.
I'm not saying PS5 has a yield problem because obviously they would have chosen the final clock speed after already seeing the result of production.
Intel and AMD never described something like that.
Like I said a chip is considered bad (yield issues) when it has units/parts of it not working like designed.
There is no relation with the clock.
All chips can reach the same clock.
Binned chips have are easy to overcome the designed power envelop so the clocks can go easier in extreme overclock but the performance doesn't scale in the same proportion as clock because you are over the designed power envelop.
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Zoro7
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Time for your pills I think. Deep breath.
Nowcry
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I think it is not economical / possible to make 196 GiB chips. I think it would be 64 GiB / 128 GIB / 256 GiB 825/1650/3300 chips
BlueXImpulse
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I was joking.
T-Cake
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That is nonsense.
...Company announces a reveal date of their highly anticipated product->Scandalous rumor pops out of nowhere -> Gafers take it as gospel and freak out ->impending battle for the honor of your fandom breaks out->the truthfacts get revealed that completely shutdown the rumor ->Rumors continue to "leak" out, until the product is finally revealed-> Company announces reveal date for highly anticipated product...I'm think I'm seeing a pattern here..
I have found it completely asinine the sheer amount of FUD that xbox fans have tried shoveling. GAF might shut it down quickly, but that shit trickles-down to the likes of Facebook, and the 'games journalists/websites' then come along and regurgetate it for clickbait, knowing damn well it's not true.
I'd mostly say that the vast majority of any critisisms towards XB has come because of MS themselves (Craig, feel like no proper next gen games, Series S' limitations).
DaGwaphics
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They have multiple times. Intel has gone into great detail in regards to their binning procedures. AMD has discussed the binning process for Polaris, etc. K series processors are top binned parts, equivalent non-k parts are chips that could not support the k series clocks. Everything would be max clocks if this was not a consideration. LOL
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ethomaz
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Nope.
Nope.
Binning process like I explained is not related with clocks.
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Darius87
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i think you're undercover agent for xbox i sense moles from 100 mile radius that avatar of yours is very suspicious. what's your goal in here?
prepares bait....
sniff, sniff...
ha...
secret agent. stop snooping around...
xacto
Member
cant wait for xbox fans meltdown tomorrow
Oh they have been in meltdown for a long time now, look around you
HeisenbergFX4
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Being a Sony fan myself I look forward to what Sony can show me tomorrow.
What interests me the most on the Xbox side is what that 12 tf machine can do head to head vs the PS5.
I know we wont see these comparisons until well after launch but I want to see Cyberpunk and Call of Duty some of those big games what are the differences.
Plus I have always enjoyed Forza so really look forward to seeing that on the XsX.
Andodalf
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At 0:36 they are leaving the xbox behind, Playstation team savages
And people say Arrogant Sony isn't a thing
DaGwaphics
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If you believe every chip can run the same speed with the same thermal and power curve, that's on you. In reality, silicone lottery losers get binned to a lesser product where they can still be usable.
ethomaz
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That another bullshit story.
Nobody ever gets a lesse product chip lol
The clocks set for production CPUs are so below the curve to thermal affect the clock or life of the CPU that I really start to wonder where you read that made up claim.
Intel binning works like that.
They have a test phase called Class... it is basically a very large component tester that can execute assembly code to stress portions of the chip... it validate the thermals or better being simple it validates the voltages and temperatures where the chip begin to fail.
With that info plus the extending life testing (about 10 years for CPUs... Intel already have these data from previous chips) they define what is the secure voltages and temperatures they can work with the the chips that goes to retail.
That basically set the clock speed of the chip that will be shipped (you knows what the defines the clock is voltages and thermals)... that is a heavy safe clock that will never make the chip fail.
That is all done in design process before the chip goes in mass production.
The clock choose in that part makes safe all chips send to retail will not break the voltage and temperature limit... so it won't fail at the actual specs... all of them... Intel uses a very safe margin of error too (the chips can go higher in both voltages and temperature).
Yield issues has nothing to do with that.
Yield issues are related with non-funcional units or parts of a chip.
Sony PS5's chip is in masse production and already passed the "binning" tests that defines its voltages and temperatures (in simple terms what defines the retail clock) so all chips produced will reach that safe level.
Intel has tons of docs explained that but I won't waste my time looking at the Intel site after they changed it to way that is near impossible to find the released old docs.
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Games Bookstore
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Yer those foldings were a work of art, i used to look so forward to them, i think i was like 10 or something i begged my Father at the time to buy my a subscription to Mad mag, he bought me a 6 month one, it used to arrive in the post all rolled up. The first thing i used to do was check out the fold in, damn those were the good old days.
As for the game, i sadly never got to play it, lol but looks super fun.
Mad magazine was my penthouse or playboy of the times.
Qwaaarktastic
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Qwarktastic news, I bet they are working on two projects ( one new Ip and GOW 2 )
kyliethicc
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Oh for sure
MastaKiiLA
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Even if Sony doesn't announce anything about console shipments tomorrow, we're only a few weeks away from quarterly reports. This being the Q2 report, means FY projections might be made. They would want to provide guidance for investors before the holiday season. Springing that kind of news after holiday sales have already been processed would not be a good look. So we'll know if there's any meat to the rumors in a matter of weeks, at most.
DaGwaphics
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This is very true. And there will be chips that are functional (cache, working cores, etc.) that are over acceptable limits at X clock speed (require too much voltage). Those chips will not be used for this product. However, they may be used in a lower clocked product which could bring the voltage numbers back into safe ranges. There is a good reason why there are clock speed differences among the different chips binned from the same wafer. Intel will try and use every chip they can so long as the chip can fit within limits somewhere along the stack. A perfect 8 core chip may see 4 cores disabled just to correct the power curve that was making it useless as an 8 core product, and so on.
ethomaz
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If I have to guess if Sony is having yield issues with PS5 that means the PS5's APU is having a large number of CUs defective that makes not possible to have more than 50% of the chips with 36CUs enabled.
Again it doesn't matter if 1000Mhz or 3000Mhz a defective CU will never works... and an active CU will works no matter the clock.
Again it doesn't matter if 1000Mhz or 3000Mhz a defective CU will never works... and an active CU will works no matter the clock.
3liteDragon
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Was trying to find this article, if they can do that, then I just find it hard to believe that they’re having yield issues with a 7nm 40 CU chip.
geordiemp
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You really cant learn stuff everyday as you seem to struggle.
Where did I say each design of die has same yield ? Is reading hard ?
I said with 30,000 wafers per week, the yields will be known and agreed since day 1 of full production.
You think running FinFET gates to 2.2 Ghz is a yield problem ? You realise Zen goes to 5 GHz now, the lower GPU is due to propagation delay of logic and the cooling requirements, some lower spec die might need more cooling, that will be accounted for in the engineering design.
If you think Sony would of designed a cooling solution with liquid metal and 2 patents that only works for 50 % of the die, you are an idiot.
If you want to think Sony have a worse 7nm yield than everyone else to support your FUD, well your reputation on GAF is well earned.
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ghairat
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It's all about the driver. You can have a Lamborgini with a bad driver or a Ferrari with a good driver.
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ethomaz
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That is not how it works.
Marketing segmentation is a thing.
Most times you get the exactly same chip in lower products vs higher products except with some hardware or software lock to not allow the user to use the lower product chip as a higher product chip.
Unless the company hardware locked the chip you will reach the same level of a high-end chip (when the same chip)... that is why in old days (when AMD did only software lock) you could buy the lower clock product and push it over the higher clock product (eg. AMD "Barton" or the Intel "Banias").
Now use of defective chips in lower products exists at least in the begin of the production... chips with some units disabled will become cheaper units like a chip with 8 cores but 2 defectives will become a 4 cores product.
But it is very early in the mass production... when the machines are adjusted to that mass production the chips will reach a way over 90% of good yields (perfect chips) so Intel/AMD will basically use a fully functional 8 cores chips as a 4 cores chips due marketing segmentation.
That is why there are high chances to unlock 100% working disabled units in lower product CPU/GPU if the lock was made via software (via hardware is something no possible... you have the working units but can't use them).
Now if we enter in the overclock thing... well not all chips are equal so some start to fail with higher voltages and temperatures than others chips that allow better overclock even when it not delivery the proportional performance because the chip was not designed to these higher clocks.
Chip lottery happens in all segments... a lower clocked product can have a chip for better overclock than a higher clocked product... that happens a lot of time... you never saw news about AMD low end products with software update to release the locked units having better overclock potential than the K high-end model? That happens all the time in the overclock world... the K model is not always the best chip for overclockers.
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James Sawyer Ford
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yeah he wasn’t overtly anti-Sony, just really pro-MS to a ridiculous degree that he’d spread tons of fud
I found him funny too, but he wouldn’t back down on things and it ended up getting him permed
ethomaz
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BTW I forget to add.
Yield issues don't affect retail products... they are 100% functional in their specs.
Yield issues are a cost issue for the Foundry and their consumers (aka Sony)... it is something the Foundry and customer wants to fix ASAP because you lose money proportionally to the amount of chip you produce.
Yield issues don't affect retail products... they are 100% functional in their specs.
Yield issues are a cost issue for the Foundry and their consumers (aka Sony)... it is something the Foundry and customer wants to fix ASAP because you lose money proportionally to the amount of chip you produce.
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Dodkrake
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At 0:36 they are leaving the xbox behind, Playstation team savages
What should I be looking for? Can't find any reference to the Xbox
TheGreatWhiteShark
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I would say that probably the "native mode" means just what is says, native mode.So basically:
Native mode = Boost Mode: On
BC1 mode = PS4 Pro Legacy Mode (BM: Off)
BC2 mode = PS4 Legacy Mode (BM: Off)
Even aligns perfectly with the slide shown at the event. Thanks for that post.
If I wanted to associate this with backward compatibility, right now I'd say that it may relate more to the performance that we will see in PS4 games that are being submitted after mid-July, and not to the legacy boost mode.
Sony has dictated at end of May that all games should be submitted (and tested) with both platforms in mind.
PresetError
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At 0:36 they are leaving the xbox behind, Playstation team savages
I don't see anything Xbox related in the frame. Care to give a clue or you were joking?
PSX
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BOX floating? at 0:36 look closer I think they are trolling microsoft in this scene because this boat is going sideways and all the other boats are going forward toward a new gen.
DaGwaphics
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Absolutely, initial designs will factor in different quality levels of chips, but if demand is much greater for the "lesser" skus, obviously higher quality chips will be gimped to fit demand.
I'm not trying to be argumentative with you, I just don't agree that clockspeed is never a consideration when creating a SKU, etc. I'm sure nVidia and AMD have both released GPUs where the base specifications could have been higher, but lower numbers were used to ensure that the greatest number of chips could hit a power draw or thermal limit target.
Qwaaarktastic
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I think it's the box floating on the water, at least that's the only reference I could think of .
PSX
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BOX floating on the water? at 0:36 look closer I think they are trolling microsoft in this scene because this boat is going sideways and all the other boats are going forward toward a new gen.
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