OgTheClever
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I think 2-3 gigs of fast ram would be more than enough if they release in the next 2 years. 4 would be overdoing it.
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Next Generation Consoles: Your hopes and dreams
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ClovingWestbrook
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Dude, really? So you HONESTLY beleive that people will be spending money on games made for 12 year old hardware? Not happening. Consoles are already showing their age and you want devs to support them for another 8-9 years? Really?Canova said:
Ickman3400
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What I want from Sony and MS next time is to up the power to match either current top of the line gpu's or very close to it. Don't pussy out on power because Nintendo struck gold on casuals and lousy hardware. You don't need to "win" a non-existent race to make money. I want my PC games to look a ton better next gen because of the huge power upgrades on the console side.
Also cut it out with motion controls and 3D, I'm already fed up with them. Less focus on gimmicks, more focus on actual useful new features on the console. The controls don't need "innovation", the games do and the gameplay does.
I also realize that some or all of this won't happen.
Also cut it out with motion controls and 3D, I'm already fed up with them. Less focus on gimmicks, more focus on actual useful new features on the console. The controls don't need "innovation", the games do and the gameplay does.
I also realize that some or all of this won't happen.
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LovingSteam said:
ok maybe 2018 a bit too far, but maybe 2015 or 2016.
Industry needs for development cost to come down. To do that, there has to be plenty of stable, easy to use development API/libraries. Once the development costs come down, the little studios can prosper and make profit.
The way the industry going right now, it's not sustainable, only the big boys can make money, that's if they make money at all. The gaming console vertical is not growing, it's retracting
Gunmonkey36
Member
If we are going for dreams:
SSD's on all three systems.
Removal of online currency(MS Points)
Removal of paid xbox live
Gamertags for Nintendo System
3rd party support for nintendo system(i know its nintendo's fault)
Codec support for all forms of video and music(i'm tired of having to use 3rd party software to play my stuff)
The largest extent of backwards compatibility possible
SSD's on all three systems.
Removal of online currency(MS Points)
Removal of paid xbox live
Gamertags for Nintendo System
3rd party support for nintendo system(i know its nintendo's fault)
Codec support for all forms of video and music(i'm tired of having to use 3rd party software to play my stuff)
The largest extent of backwards compatibility possible
TacticalFox88
Banned
Make HD a requirement! NO GAME is ALLOWED to run at a native Sub-HD resolution
60 FPS standard
Plethora of Online options.
Give developers plenty of time for launch titles.
Test the hardware extensively.
Shitloads of RAM just for the sake of shit loads of RAM
Composite Cables out of the box
Nothing when you click on it, should take more than 1 seconds. Speed, speed, speed, SPEED
Lots of memory on the HDD.
Bluetooth
Internet access that DOES NOT SUCK
60 FPS standard
Plethora of Online options.
Give developers plenty of time for launch titles.
Test the hardware extensively.
Shitloads of RAM just for the sake of shit loads of RAM
Composite Cables out of the box
Nothing when you click on it, should take more than 1 seconds. Speed, speed, speed, SPEED
Lots of memory on the HDD.
Bluetooth
Internet access that DOES NOT SUCK
TekkenMaster
Banned
1080P 30 fps minimum, actually enforced this time.
TacticalFox88
Banned
For two consoles this is true.LovingSteam said:
BloodySinner
Banned
Hilarious.
SneakyStephan
Banned
-NO noise (ps3 phat made no noise, my 360 is a jet engine).
-Sturdy and reliable build quality.
-Enough ram, well basically no stupid corners cut to save some money that just ends up bottlenecking the hell out of the whole system.
-Usable as a proper HTPC, native support for all codecs, being able to load subtitles, a good file browser (basically give me a basic version of windows explorer and GOM media player with cccp codec pack and I'm happy.
-K/M support with no issues or hoops to jump through.
-Decent size HDD and the option to fully install my games (1TB) and the option for aftermarket pc HDD's like with ps3.
-BC with psx and ps2 (or xbox 1), same supersampling/AA/AF options that you get with emulators.
-Good bluetooth controllers of good build quality with good built in batteries (I'm pretty happy with ps3 controllers , though the build quality isn't as high as dual shock 2).
-Not unreasonably power hungry if possible (no hd69xx or gtx480 shenanigans where they try to push an old fabrication method (40nm) way too far )
-High QA standards for all games released on it, massive fines on seriously bugged/broken releases that are deliberately pushed through the QA. (It's a closed platform for fucks sake, there is no excuse).
So basically a high quality, mass produced, closed platform gaming pc (so it's cheaper and there are no compatibility issues and you don't get the overhead from a pc OS).
Which is what a console is supposed to be in the first place.
Xbox was just that, unlike the ambarrasments called 360 and ps3.
-Sturdy and reliable build quality.
-Enough ram, well basically no stupid corners cut to save some money that just ends up bottlenecking the hell out of the whole system.
-Usable as a proper HTPC, native support for all codecs, being able to load subtitles, a good file browser (basically give me a basic version of windows explorer and GOM media player with cccp codec pack and I'm happy.
-K/M support with no issues or hoops to jump through.
-Decent size HDD and the option to fully install my games (1TB) and the option for aftermarket pc HDD's like with ps3.
-BC with psx and ps2 (or xbox 1), same supersampling/AA/AF options that you get with emulators.
-Good bluetooth controllers of good build quality with good built in batteries (I'm pretty happy with ps3 controllers , though the build quality isn't as high as dual shock 2).
-Not unreasonably power hungry if possible (no hd69xx or gtx480 shenanigans where they try to push an old fabrication method (40nm) way too far )
-High QA standards for all games released on it, massive fines on seriously bugged/broken releases that are deliberately pushed through the QA. (It's a closed platform for fucks sake, there is no excuse).
So basically a high quality, mass produced, closed platform gaming pc (so it's cheaper and there are no compatibility issues and you don't get the overhead from a pc OS).
Which is what a console is supposed to be in the first place.
Xbox was just that, unlike the ambarrasments called 360 and ps3.
New hardware was needed years ago. This generation has always been overpriced, under performing junk, pushing me heavily towards being 100% PC only.
Its hard to pick anything without a time frame, but 2GB of ram would be awful for 2012 or later; I don't want a cell phone to have more ram than a console at release. Ram is cheap ($70 for 8GB DDR3) and always useful, so load up on it.
Its hard to pick anything without a time frame, but 2GB of ram would be awful for 2012 or later; I don't want a cell phone to have more ram than a console at release. Ram is cheap ($70 for 8GB DDR3) and always useful, so load up on it.
ThoseDeafMutes
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OgTheClever said:
Playstation - 2MB system memory, 1MB VRAM (3MB total)
Playstation 2 - 32MB system memory, 4MB VRAM (36MB total, 12x increase)
Playstation 3 - 256MB system memory, 256MB VRAM (512MB total, 14.22x increase)
Playstation 4 - 3072MB total memory (3GB specified by you, 6x increase)
Playstation 4 - 4096MB total memory (4GB you are saying is too much, 8x increase)
To match the 12x leaps we got last 2 generation, we'd have to go 6GB of total memory. Which is actually not as implausible as it sounds to you console peasants, especially for 2013. I'm running 4GB System + 1GB VRAM right now, and some people have 8GB + 2GB. I am personally expecting 4GB total but I wouldn't be shocked if they went 6.
As usual I expect Nintendo to march to their own drummer, so the following is directed towards Sony and MS.
For Sony specifically:
- Use GPU's that are from the same family of what is offered for PC at launch time (or will be available a little later). Assuming they are launching in the next few years, that means DX 12 class cards. Given the trend towards console/PC shared middleware, I don't want PC games with their hands tied right off the bat.
- Fastest BD possible given reasonable noise, etc constraints. I would assume the systems will be looking at 2 - 4 GB of RAM. Filling that takes a lot of time. We need as much throughput here as possible
- HDD or at least some built in flash that's dedicated to caching/installs. Even with a fast BD, consoles will need all the help they can get to improve loading. Make this mandatory
- Don't skimp on RAM
- Allow full installs, and find a way of doing it without the need for the game to always be in the drive. Maybe some sort of weekly or monthly recertification?
- App store. I want development opened up to other apps beyond just games. That way stuff like media players (VLC, XBMC, Boxee, Plex), real browsers (Opera, Firefox, Chrome), Airplay and similar tech, DVR's, Sonus, etc could all be viable
- Don't skimp on I/O - HDMI 1.4, USB 3.0, Gigabit Ethernet, 11n, etc.
- K/M support
For Sony specifically:
- While adding features is fine, make sure you have a good list of mandatory OS and online features set in stone from the get-go. In-game voice chat, custom soundtracks, etc. all needs to be mandatory and ready to go. Basically unify as much as possible right from the start
- Given they are in bed with Google, maybe some more of their services baked into the OS? Hell, consider adding an HDMI input so it can be used as a GoogleTV assuming that platform goes anywhere
- Next gen PSEye/Move standard
- Lots of NGP and Android connectivity. How about using it as a touchscreen remote when using media features? That way when you're fucking with settings you don't have to bring up the overlay on the TV. Could use it as a keyboard. Lot's of uses beyond just gaming
childplease
Banned
ppus in all consoles thats my dream.
Having a separate card to handle physics would be costly but it could potentially lead to games that react realistically and realistic destruction.
Having a separate card to handle physics would be costly but it could potentially lead to games that react realistically and realistic destruction.
ThoseDeafMutes
Member
RaijinFY said:
Go to PC building thread. 8GB system RAM isn't unheard of, and numerous high end cards have 2GB VRAM. In fact, the highest of the high end is the GTX590 with 3GB VRAM (although it's probably worse than the ATI dual GPU offerings which have less VRAM but are better overall), so you could in theory be running 3x 4GB ram sticks (12GB main memory) and a GTX590 (3GB VRAM).
It would cost a fortune, but...
Yep, for RAM I have two 4GB sticks since Sandybridge only supports dual-channel. My GPU is a 6950/6970, so that's 2GB VRAM.
If main RAM isn't sufficient, I'll end up bumping it up with another two 4GB sticks. Eventually I'll probably move to a socket 2011, so I'd want to take advantage of quad-channel speeds anyway.
Well before that is an issue though, I'm adding a second GPU for Crossfire.
If main RAM isn't sufficient, I'll end up bumping it up with another two 4GB sticks. Eventually I'll probably move to a socket 2011, so I'd want to take advantage of quad-channel speeds anyway.
Well before that is an issue though, I'm adding a second GPU for Crossfire.
astroturfing
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a console that can finally handle a game from Rockstar would be nice. so sad to see them have to make compromises 
Actually the ATI 6990 has 4GB RAM (2 for each GPU). You've got it backwards, nVidia cards have the less VRAM this gen (other than some non-reference releases by a manufacturer or two). The reference nVidia 5xx cards top off at 1.5GB, not 2GB like ATI's 6xxx series.ThoseDeafMutes said:
That's been one of the big sore points this gen for people running at ultra high res.
ClovingWestbrook
Banned
A few more desired additions:
1. Weekly sales and no, I'm not referring to DLC (Microsoft, I'm looking at you). PC gamers are use to their midweek, weekend, weeklong, publisher special sales throughout the year, its about time Microsoft, Sony, and Nintendo jump on board as well.
2. A walled garden- Sony offered it with OtherOS and while its most likely not going to continue in their next system I really hope they'll think twice. Offer an Apple type of app store and no, I'm not talking about the 360's Indie scene.
3. Cross platform multiplayer
4. An OnLive type of option to watch people play their games over the web.
1. Weekly sales and no, I'm not referring to DLC (Microsoft, I'm looking at you). PC gamers are use to their midweek, weekend, weeklong, publisher special sales throughout the year, its about time Microsoft, Sony, and Nintendo jump on board as well.
2. A walled garden- Sony offered it with OtherOS and while its most likely not going to continue in their next system I really hope they'll think twice. Offer an Apple type of app store and no, I'm not talking about the 360's Indie scene.
3. Cross platform multiplayer
4. An OnLive type of option to watch people play their games over the web.
Diatribe1974
Member
Next generation system (for MS at least) will most likely end up being only a bit more horsepower than current gen, but a TON more memory and storage (re: 8gig ram (system) and 1gig ram (video) and 500gig (basic system) and 1TB (pro system)).
Crunched said:
the fug it does. I can never ever just fucking get the right amount of points. I am always left with a fucking slight surplus or JUST UNDER what I need by 10ms points or crap. And then I have to go to the next highest MS point amount if I want something.
Just let me charge my credit card to the exact dollar amount something is plz. Thank you Sony for not being retards about this.
I think 4GB will be the maximum amount of ram that any console next-gen will seriously have. You don't need as much RAM in a console compared to a PC. And besides, consoles usually don't go for the regular, cheap, PC memory. They go for faster stuff, because it's preferable to have fast memory over a large amount of memory.
Technosteve
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i pray for the end of consoles, if i want a high end system to play on my couch i would plug my pc to my tv. your next gen consoles are holding back my this gen PC!
Microsoft:
- Kill the Avatars and never mention them again.
- Develop interesting new IP's instead of sequels to tired franchises or shit for babies, I don't really care about your games anymore
- Stop trying to bleed us dry for every nickel and dime we have, paying to play online is a horrible thing
Nintendo:
- Online capabilities that are better than the Dreamcast
- Resolution that is better than the Dreamcast
- A download service that doesn't shit all over itself
- Some new ideas and games that don't feature Mii's
Sony:
- A more dev friendly device, no more terrible ports
- No more clumsy, ass backwards shit like mandatory installs
- Nuke Home
- Be relevant again
- Kill the Avatars and never mention them again.
- Develop interesting new IP's instead of sequels to tired franchises or shit for babies, I don't really care about your games anymore
- Stop trying to bleed us dry for every nickel and dime we have, paying to play online is a horrible thing
Nintendo:
- Online capabilities that are better than the Dreamcast
- Resolution that is better than the Dreamcast
- A download service that doesn't shit all over itself
- Some new ideas and games that don't feature Mii's
Sony:
- A more dev friendly device, no more terrible ports
- No more clumsy, ass backwards shit like mandatory installs
- Nuke Home
- Be relevant again
OgTheClever said:
Not the place to cut cost. Going up to 8 GB would be another $10-15 in parts, and would vastly improve game design possibilities. People complaining about menu lag, loading screens, contained environments? That's due to console's RAM limitations. Compare Crysis 1 with Crysis 2. No max speed or miles of open sandbox terrain because consoles only have 512 MB of RAM, which is old school.
No it wouldn't. And I mean that both in terms of only costing $10-15, and that it would improve game design possibilities.teh_pwn said:
No it doesn't.teh_pwn said:
You are using SLI or Crossfire. In such cases, the memory is not cumulative - they contain the same data. You have 2GB in practical terms.
Just think guys, after the PS4 hits in 5 generations we'll get this!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLiiUkh_r7U
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