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[PkunkFury]

I see Konami as the only group trying. Elebits is the best 3rd party ground-up Wii game yet and Dewy seems to be a similar case. They also published Kororinpa, which is an ace title. Kiddy or not, Konami understands how to make Wii games

I can't imagine why anyone would want yet another Metal Gear Solid spin off instead of games designed for the system, especially when it's unclear how the series would benefit from the Wii tech. If you want MGS, look forward to MGS4. Don't encourage Konami to pull a Square Enix and branch crap to every last platform.

 

[rakka]

I see Konami as the only group trying. Elebits is the best 3rd party ground-up Wii game yet and Dewy seems to be a similar case. They also published Kororinpa, which is an ace title. Kiddy or not, Konami understands how to make Wii game.

First week sales says you're wrong sadly.

Dewy will make even babies go wtfisthisshit.

 

[Jokeropia]

And we have seen that with many huge previous sony console exclusives being lost.

Indeed, but I think this number would've been smaller had the PS3 dominated like it was expected to.

 

[Lobster]

I see Konami as the only group trying. Elebits is the best 3rd party ground-up Wii game yet and Dewy seems to be a similar case. They also published Kororinpa, which is an ace title. Kiddy or not, Konami understands how to make Wii games

I can't imagine why anyone would want yet another Metal Gear Solid spin off instead of games designed for the system, especially when it's unclear how the series would benefit from the Wii tech. If you want MGS, look forward to MGS4. Don't encourage Konami to pull a Square Enix and branch crap to every last platform.

Konami is trying but they're aiming for the worst market ever babies..seriously i've never seen games aimed so much at young kids like Elebits and Dewey are. The music, the characters, the graphics. You could swear that the bad guys are the good guys.

A spin off of a MGS would do good for Konami at least...(in sales)

 

[rakka]

Indeed, but I think this number would've been smaller had the PS3 dominated like it was expected to.

Yes, it underperformed. Third parties then looked around, saw the 360 as a console they could port games onto as well, to maximize profits. The Wii had it been stronger would have got at least a few of these titles in the process...

 

[Ikael]

Konami is trying to compete against Nintendo not because they have putted their games on the platafform, but because they are putting games aimed at the same demographic and on the same genre. Dewy is a "sent to die" product, and I didn't fel that it was anything special when I played it at the E3.

 

[Jokeropia]

Yes, it underperformed. Third parties then looked around, saw the 360 as a console they could port games onto as well, to maximize profits. The Wii had it been stronger would have got at least a few of these titles in the process...

Well like I said earlier, had Nintendo been able to make the Wii comparable to the competition without taking much of a loss and also been aware of the success beforehand, they might've considered it.

On the other hand, that might also have lead to Wii getting less exclusives that make good use of the controller since Wii -> PS3/360 ports would've been feasible as long the game isn't dependent on the Wiimote. (Pubs get the choice of making a game that requires the Wiimote or making a game they can release on all three systems using the same assets.)

 

[rakka]

On the other hand, that might also have lead to Wii getting less exclusives that make good use of the controller since Wii -> PS3/360 ports would've been feasible as long the game isn't dependent on the Wiimote. (Pubs get the choice of making a game that requires the Wiimote or making a game they can release on all three systems using the same assets.)

Looking at the Wii 3rd party line-up right now (hopefully situation will improve), I wouldn't say that's a bad thing.

Would you rather RE:UC, or RE5 (we know how awesome RE4 Wii is, don't we?)? Legends or DMC4?

* Again, note that I'm talking about the 3rd party Wii lineup as of now.

 

[PkunkFury]

Looking at the Wii 3rd party line-up right now (hopefully situation will improve), I wouldn't say that's a bad thing.

Would you rather RE:UC, or RE5 (we know how awesome RE4 Wii is, don't we?)? Legends or DMC4?

* Again, note that I'm talking about the 3rd party Wii lineup as of now.

this is why i think you're missing the point with Konami. You are flat out asking for them to do the same thing Capcom and Namco are doing with RE:UC and Legends...

If you would have preferred MGS4, RE5 or DMC4, then you bought the wrong console, as it was clear what and where those games were going to be before the systems even launched. Some of us bought the Wii because we expected new ideas with new interesting uses of the controller, and this is why we are happy Konami at least has one team that wants to make something unique. If they also want to make it "kiddy" that's their perogative. Frankly, I feel Konami have been delivering better than Nintendo in some respects. This will change when Nintendo finally launches some Wii games this winter

 

[rakka]

this is why i think you're missing the point with Konami. You are flat out asking for them to do the same thing Capcom and Namco are doing with RE:UC and Legends...

If you would have preferred MGS4, RE5 or DMC4, then you bought the wrong console, as it was clear what and where those games were going to be before the systems even launched. Some of us bought the Wii because we expected new ideas with new interesting uses of the controller, and this is why we are happy Konami at least has one team that wants to make something unique. If they also want to make it "kiddy" that's their perogative. Frankly, I feel Konami have been delivering better than Nintendo in some respects. This will change when Nintendo finally launches some Wii games this winter

With this logic, the majority of Wii owners bought the wrong console, am I right?

E.g A mature game re-released for the 3rd time sold about 60x better than Konami's ground up kiddy effort.

(Also, I have bought no next gen consoles.)

 

[PkunkFury]

With this logic, the majority of Wii owners bought the wrong console, am I right?

E.g A mature game re-released for the 3rd time sold about 60x better than Konami's ground up kiddy effort.

(Also, I have bought no next gen consoles.)

what? One of the highest rated games of last gen, part of a long standing and successful franchise sold better than an unadvertised niche title? what does it matter? I'm not saying that Resident Evil spin-offs won't sell. Hell, games featuring The Matrix or famous rappers sell. I'm saying that Resident Evil spin-offs aren't very interesting, and you seem to agree.

People who wanted Resident Evil could easily have discovered that RE5 was not coming to the Wii before the system launched. They did not know RE4 would be ported over when they bought their system, either. This means it's evident that the interest for the game was generated by the userbase, and not that the userbase was generated by the game. Extrapolate as you will

also, you are way to fixated on what is mature vs. what is not. Truly this effects sales to some extent, but only as far as demographics are concered (kids still play games). Mature games can flop too. Look at anything on the Cube (Eternal Darkness, Geist, heck Twin Snakes did pretty bad considering its franchise backing). I would rather play a good game than a mature game and I think most of GAF agrees. Just look at the love for stuff like Viva Pinata, Animal Crossing, Klonoa, Loco Roco, Little Big Planet, Mario Galaxy, Chibi Robo, etc., etc., etc. on this board. I play games, not styles

 

[rakka]

what? One of the highest rated games of last gen, part of a long standing and successful franchise sold better than an unadvertised niche title? what does it matter? I'm not saying that Resident Evil spin-offs won't sell. Hell, games featuring The Matrix or famous rappers sell. I'm saying that Resident Evil spin-offs aren't very interesting, and you seem to agree.

Thats what I'm unhappy about -- most of what Konami is giving the Wii are these 'niche titles'. and then whining that they don't sell

I wouldn't be complaining otherwise.

Also, dewy wasn't outsold . It ****ing flopped big time

And of course the spinoff isn't looking too good. they're reusing assets ffs.

also, you are way to fixated on what is mature vs. what is not. Truly this effects sales to some extent, but mature games flop too.

True.

Look at anything on the Cube (Eternal Darkness, Geist, heck Twin Snakes did pretty bad considering its franchise backing).

Eternel Darkness is hardly something you could call mainstream. (like you said above, even could be considered niche)
Geist sucked.
Twin Snakes... you're right about that one - great game, didn't sell

I would rather play a good game than a mature game and I think most of GAF agrees. Just look at the love for stuff like Viva Pinata, Animal Crossing, Klonoa, Loco Roco, Little Big Planet, Mario Galaxy, Chibi Robo, etc., etc., etc. on this board. I play games, not styles

And I wouldn't?

I'm all for new, unique ideas, but seriously - please don't group those games you listed with Dewy.

 

[PkunkFury]

Thats what I'm unhappy about -- most of what Konami is giving the Wii are these 'niche titles'. and then whining that they don't sell

I wouldn't be complaining otherwise.

Also, dewy wasn't outsold . It ****ing flopped big time

And of course the spinoff isn't looking too good. they're reusing assets ffs.

where do you see them whining that their games don't sell? Elebits did rather well for what it was. I doubt they're unhappy. It managed to launch in all territories to boot. Granted Dewy is underperforming, but I don't hear Konami whining. It's only launched in Japan, and it launched alongside Mario Party, so I don't see how they expected it to sell. The game targets the same demographic, yet it doesn't have any mindshare to speak of. It was bound to be steamrolled. The problem has everything to do with advertising and little to do with content. games with this style have sold for decades

And I wouldn't?

I'm all for new, unique ideas, but seriously - please don't group those games you listed with Dewy.

First off, you haven't played Dewy, so I'm not sure why you think they shouldn't be grouped together. Neither have I, to be fair, but the one GAFfer who has indicated that it's pretty good. so why not group them with Dewy? you seriously think Viva Pinata is less kiddy than Dewy? Viva Pinata is based off of a Saturday morning kids show! And Animal Crosing? Loco Roco with it's singing cartoony blobs? I hear in Mario Galaxy you get to wear a bee suit... yeah... that's pretty tough

And don't get me started on Klonoa, it's the one game on that list I don't like. That game is actually for babies, not only in style, but also the gameplay. I could beat Klonoa while sleeping, which is good because I tend to fall asleep while playing it. But GAF loves it and I'm happy it found an audience. Dewy is also probably a kids game, but it has multiplayer and a level editor, as well as wifi content sharing. Thus it could certainly be a pretty involved game if you want it to be

Dewy is a game about a drop of water. The game mechanics and puzzles revolve around turning from solid to liquid to vapor. I'm not sure how you expect this idea to be rendered mature. They went with a style that suits the game, and the execution seems very well done. the graphics look ace, easily some of the best the Wii has seen.

the main character looks kiddy, and the game feature some flowers and rainbows, but otherwise the environments and enemies look like standard platformer fair. It's no different than Kirby or Yoshi's Island. Actually the game reminds me of Pikmin more than anything, with some brighter colors

Will the style be off-putting to some? you bet. But the style of Manhunt 2 is going to turn away sales as well, and I hear that's a pretty good game. The important thing is that they are both 3rd party games coming to Wii. Variety is a good thing

anyway, I'm done. I don't even know if Dewy is a good game, so it's not worth me defending it any further. I just want to point out that this team is creating interesting content from the ground up, and it deserves a bit or respect in the face of Capcom and Namco's efforts reusing old content on franchise spin offs in pursuit of a quick dollar. I probably won't buy Dewy this winter, but I'll certainly pick it up before those other games

 

[rakka]

Dude, youve certainly defended the game well thats for sure

Anyway -- I just hope that in the end there will be something for everyone -- especially core gamers.

And regarding the similar to pikmin comment, understandable. I dislike Pikmin just as much as dewy

 

[PkunkFury]

And regarding the similar to pikmin comment, understandable. I dislike Pikmin just as much as dewy

this is fair. Like I say, i really don't care if it doesn't appeal to you. I just want to point out that some of us would rather have a creative team working on something new, than another spin off. Snake is in SSBB, so who knows, maybe we'll get both down the line

 

[Gozan]

so what happens anyway in the NEXT-gen? These types of "next-gen" games are still going to be extremely expensive to develop for. Basically the hardware itself will be cheaper, but the cost to develop these expansive engines are still complex and costly. So is Nintendo going to forgo next-gen power once more, or will it just be proven to be empty words utilized to convince certain gamers that their cheap approach was something other than a way to capitalize even more for their bottom line?

Or, maybe, Nintendo will succeed in expanding the market considerably, as was their ambition, thus making bigger budget games more likely to make a profit.

Nintendos problem with ballooning game budgets was mainly that sales weren't ballooning along with them.