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NFL Week 4 2010|OT| - Revenge vs Redemption

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Mr. Snrub said:
This is why I feel so bad about Addai. Last year (and so far this year) has shown he's an excellent pass blocker, a receiving threat, and is extremely slippier/good at getting yards after contact. With a better line/offense not built around a god, he'd be getting a lot more attention as a back. Have to admire someone who's willing to take that role.
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I wouldn't feel too bad for him–Addai DID have a pretty good game against the Giants in week 2, and it's pretty rare to have that flexible of a running back, able to be an efficient pass blocker all the while still being able to pick up the yards necessary when called upon.
 
Why the hell do the Seahawks even make that trade in the middle of the season? It's not like they have a chance to make it to the pl....oh yea. I forgot. They're in the shittiest division that I can think of in years.
 
eznark said:
Why did the Bears release Mark Anderson?
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i dont know what to make of that, i have not seen it reported on the tribune or suntimes yet, but he hasnt really played all that well since his rookie campaign in 2006 when he had double digit sacks, i dont think he is really being paid all that much, would have made more sense to cut tommie harris imo, dude is a complete bum, has sucked ever since collecting that fat contract extension
 
yacobod said:
i dont know what to make of that, i have not seen it reported on the tribune or suntimes yet, but he hasnt really played all that well since his rookie campaign in 2006 when he had double digit sacks, i dont think he is really being paid all that much, would have made more sense to cut tommie harris imo, dude is a complete bum, has sucked ever since collecting that fat contract extension
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It's on the Sun Times now. Enjoy your UFL dregs
 
After Week 4, 23 teams are either in first place or within one game of the division lead. That's the most teams at the top of the standings after one month of play in NFL history.

More than a third of the league (13 teams) has a 2-2 record, while 24 teams (75%) are at .500 or better. By comparison, last season 20 teams managed to avoid a losing record.

Only two teams hold an outright lead in their division. The 3-1 Houston Texans hold a one-game lead over every other team in the AFC South. And the 3-0 Kansas City Chiefs have a 1.5-game edge over the 2-2 San Diego Chargers.

The other six divisions have ties for first place, with the NFC East and NFC West locked up in three-way ties.
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Whos woulda thunk it.
 
Mark Anderson gone is official now. Story breaking everywhere.

eznark said:
Why did the Bears release Mark Anderson?
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Because he sucks and can't even do the one thing he was good at in the past (sacks) with Peppers on the other side of the line.
 
Speaking of the Texans, what do they want for Steve Slaton? I have an excellent middle linebacker for you. He's even white.
 
TheLegendary said:
Why the hell do the Seahawks even make that trade in the middle of the season? It's not like they have a chance to make it to the pl....oh yea. I forgot. They're in the shittiest division that I can think of in years.
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first team to six wins
 
eznark said:
It's on the Sun Times now. Enjoy your UFL dregs
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You laugh now, but Charles Grant will be one of the feel good stories of the season after he racks up 10+ sacks the final 12 games!
 
Mrbob said:
You laugh now, but Charles Grant will be one of the feel good stories of the season after he racks up 10+ sacks the final 12 games!
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Bob, he is playing FOR the Bears, not against them.
 
dralla said:
After the first quarter of the season.

1. Jets
2. Steelers
3. Ravens
4. Falcons
5. Texans
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I don't know, I agree with the Jets, Steelers and Ravens but I really don't think that the Falcons and Texans are that good. Still early in the NFC so the Falcons have a lot of time to have close wins like they have had turn into close losses in the later part of the season and the Texans just seem off to me, don't know why either.
 
eznark said:
Speaking of the Texans, what do they want for Steve Slaton? I have an excellent middle linebacker for you. He's even white.
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They already have an excellent middle linebacker... He was rookie of the year, a good leader and has been solid tackle leader for 4+ years now.
 
did Foster's first half benching ever get explained? I almost feel like they should just come out and explain stuff like this, or people will just assume the worst.

Nevermind, just read it, late to two team meetings or something.
 
captive said:
They already have an excellent middle linebacker... He was rookie of the year, a good leader and has been solid tackle leader for 4+ years now.
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Does he have long flowing hair? Does he pound the ass of Brady Quinn's sister? If the answer is no, then you need to make this trade.
 
levious said:
did Foster's first half benching ever get explained? I almost feel like they should just come out and explain stuff like this, or people will just assume the worst.

Nevermind, just read it, late to two team meetings or something.
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Late to a couple meetings, I thought?

Fake edit: stealth edit!
 
DeathbyVolcano said:
Yeah I'll agree with this. How many sacks have we allowed so far? Can't be all that much...maybe 5? We'll see if Ben can get used to having more time to throw the ball–god knows he ALWAYS wants like 5 minutes to do so.

All we need to fix is dumb-dumb errors and penalties on the o-line's part and then I think we're pretty much a perfect team. Other than Reed :x
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We are going to miss Holmes this year, but hopefully with some intelligent play calling the threat of the run will really make for some easy plays in the passing game. The threat of a run should slow the pass rush as well and give Ben more time. I am excited to see what he can do this season with this surrounding cast. If Randle El adds anything then they could be great.

And Hartwig was always shit. I have wanted him gone for awhile now. Your center can not be allowed to be beaten as badly as he was. I mean I feel like he never even won many one on ones for qb sneaks, even though the center has a huge advantage in that situation. Not sure how good Pouncey actually is but even if he is just slightly above average that is a big improvement over Hartwig.
 
Tryout Tuesday for the Giants...

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Source-Giants-trying-out-Ikechuku-Ndukwe.html

The New York Giants are trying out veteran offensive lineman Ikechuku Ndukwe, according to a league source with knowledge of the situation.

The 6-foot-4, 325-pounder has previously played for the Kansas City Chiefs, New Orleans Saints, Baltimore Ravens, Washington Redskins and the Miami Dolphins.

Ndukwe, 28, was signed by the Saints as an undrafted free agent in 2005 out of Northwestern.

He has played in 33 games, starting 18 of them.

He's the older brother of Cincinnati Bengals safety Chinedum Ndukwe.
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I know very little about the guy, unfortunately.
 
TheLegendary said:
The giants run a power running game right? Or are they a ZBS?
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I think there was a quote from Shanahan or some other head coach saying that every team in the league uses elements of zone blocking in their offensive gameplan, just some focus on it more than others. That being said I wouldn't think the Giants use ZBS as much as the Redskins do.
 
Not a Jellyfish said:
I don't know, I agree with the Jets, Steelers and Ravens but I really don't think that the Falcons and Texans are that good. Still early in the NFC so the Falcons have a lot of time to have close wins like they have had turn into close losses in the later part of the season and the Texans just seem off to me, don't know why either.
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Last in the league in defense?

Just a thought.
 
LiveWire said:
I think there was a quote from Shanahan or some other head coach saying that every team in the league uses elements of zone blocking in their offensive gameplan, just some focus on it more than others. That being said I wouldn't think the Giants use ZBS as much as the Redskins do.
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Yea. We're a zone blocking team 99% of the time, but every once in a while I'll see a pulling guard or something like that. I'd have to think the Giants are the opposite, where they'll probably throw in a few zone runs with some of their guys not named Brandon Jacobs.

Just trying to gauge the chances of another Ryan Grant-esque steal from the Giants in week 4 ;) .
 
DeaconKnowledge said:
Last in the league in defense?

Just a thought.
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you're still on that. Its been mentioned over and over again the ranking by yards is stupid. See above Jets 2007 18th in league finished 4 and 12.
ESPN stats had an article last week about teams winning despite giving up yards on defense.

Even better, Minnesota and San Diego are 1 and 4 in defense, they've both been super hot this year haven't they.
 
captive said:
you're still on that. Its been mentioned over and over again the ranking by yards is stupid. See above Jets 2007 18th in league finished 4 and 12.
ESPN stats had an article last week about teams winning despite giving up yards on defense.
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editors' note: If the Texans were rated highly on the yards allowed rankings then it would be a totally justifiable metric to use to prove how good they are.
 
TheLegendary said:
Why the hell do the Seahawks even make that trade in the middle of the season? It's not like they have a chance to make it to the pl....oh yea. I forgot. They're in the shittiest division that I can think of in years.
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Petey Carroll: "Rah, rah, yeahhhh, we're cuttin guys and tradin for guys, yeeee hawww, football!!"

Pete's probably wondering when the coaches poll comes out.
 
I just bet a friend who won't stop talking shit that winner of Fins @ Pats in January gets to change losers facebook profile pic to something football related and it stays until January ends. Oh boy..
 
captive said:
you're still on that. Its been mentioned over and over again the ranking by yards is stupid. See above Jets 2007 18th in league finished 4 and 12.
ESPN stats had an article last week about teams winning despite giving up yards on defense.

Even better, Minnesota and San Diego are 1 and 4 in defense, they've both been super hot this year haven't they.
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Your offense is firing on all cylinders and putting up a ton of points, so that the defense can breathe easy with a comfy lead. Having a bad defense doesn't mean your team sucks, but your defense is by far the worst part of your team and will lose you every game in which your offense doesn't click. Your one loss came when your offense couldn't get going and - SURPRISE! - your defense couldn't bail you out.

If your going to throw out your defensive yards allowed you may as well throw out your offensive yards too because they're disingenuous for some nebulous reason.
 
Spectral Glider said:
Petey Carroll: "Rah, rah, yeahhhh, we're cuttin guys and tradin for guys, yeeee hawww, football!!"

Pete's probably wondering when the coaches poll comes out.
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Shit, I'd take that over a coach who doesn't even try to improve his team.
 
DeaconKnowledge said:
Your offense is firing on all cylinders and putting up a ton of points, so that the defense can breathe easy with a comfy lead. Having a bad defense doesn't mean your team sucks, but your defense is by far the worst part of your team and will lose you every game in which your offense doesn't click. Your one loss came when your offense couldn't get going and - SURPRISE! - your defense couldn't bail you out.
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Oh so now you change your story. Last week it was the defense sucked and you wouldn't listen to me that actually the loss was on the offense. Since the defense actually held Dallas to 10 points through almost 3 quarters, while the offense couldn't do anything. Again I have never said the Texans defense are world beaters. But guess what, they are getting better and will continue to get better. Especially now with Cushing coming back.

If your going to throw out your defensive yards allowed you may as well throw out your offensive yards too because they're disingenuous for some nebulous reason.
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Where have i been bragging about offensive yards? It goes both ways ranking by yards is stupid.
Yes the Texans are top 5 offense ( I don't even know where they rank), but I couldn't care less because they've been the top offense before but couldn't score points.
And actually the offense hasn't been clicking on all cylinders because the passing game is struggling allowing sacks and Andre Johnson has been out or hurt. Schaub only has one 300 yard game, and in that game threw for almost more yards than he has in the other three games combined.


Wasn't Oakland a top 5 defense before last week? Now after they actually played a competent offense they have fallen to 13th.

This is a team game any team would be hard pressed to win with only one elite unit and every other unit being shit.
 
You know, it sucks that we're losing Lynch, but he's worthless if we aren't going to ever open up any holes for him to run through. I hope Seattle helps him out a bunch more than we did. Still, a fourth and a conditional aren't going to get us much.

We need a line bad. Hopefully this is just the start of cleaning out the house in Buffalo.
 
TheLegendary said:
The giants run a power running game right? Or are they a ZBS?
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TheLegendary said:
I'd have to think the Giants are the opposite, where they'll probably throw in a few zone runs with some of their guys not named Brandon Jacobs.
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We run more of a power or counter scheme. Counters have been used for years but they were our bread and butter in '08. WSJ has a pretty good article on it here if you want to read up (during the '08 season when we ranked #1 in the league in rush offense):

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123146258493266495.html

The Giants' counter is really a family of plays the team runs that all take advantage of its most formidable asset: an unusually quick and agile offensive line that's considered the best in the NFL. When the ball is snapped, one guard typically takes a quick step in one direction to fake out the defense, then pivots backward in the "counter" direction and darts behind the other linemen. He then runs around the end of the line and turns up the field to block a linebacker or safety in the other team's backfield. Once this ballet has transpired, one of the team's trio of bruising ballcarriers follows the guard around the end of the line and, if all goes well, into daylight...The technique that makes the counter work is the ability of the Giants' guards to "pull" out of position with catlike speed, something only a handful of people who weigh 300 pounds can do. The Giants tend to run counter plays to the left side to take advantage of right guard Chris Snee's speed and agility. Mr. Snee's time of 1.74 seconds in the 10-yard-dash at the 2004 NFL combine in Indianapolis made him one of the quickest linemen in his class.

The play's effectiveness has been bolstered by the ferocious running of the teams' big ballcarriers: running backs Brandon Jacobs, Derrick Ward and Ahmad Bradshaw, as well as fullback Madison Hedgecock, who is often a crucial blocker. This play, and all its variations, has helped make the Giants the NFL's premier rushing team. This season, Messrs. Jacobs and Ward both rushed for more than 1,000 yards -- only the fourth pair of running backs in NFL history to do so.
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You can see some key components on our offense line breaking down and our fullback going to shit has caused problems in the running game. Our scheme is also the reason that Mitch Pretrus was taken in the 5th by the Giants. They were apparently very impressed with his ability to execute as a pulling guard.
 
captive said:
Yes the Texans are top 5 offense ( I don't even know where they rank), but I couldn't care less because they've been the top offense before but couldn't score points.
And actually the offense hasn't been clicking on all cylinders because the passing game is struggling allowing sacks and Andre Johnson has been out or hurt. Schaub only has one 300 yard game, and in that game threw for almost more yards than he has in the other three games combined.


Wasn't Oakland a top 5 defense before last week? Now after they actually played a competent offense they have fallen to 13th.
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Then let's use DVOA, the best metric for rating teams using statistical analysis which takes into account the offense you're facing.

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/teamdef


OH wait. The Texans are rated LAST IN THE LEAGUE.

It's hard to discount every single stat if they all say the Texans suck.
 
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