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Nick Robinson (Polygon) involved in sexual harassment allegations [Suspended]

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I don't blame the victims for not speaking out at first. Just one person trying to speak out can get swept Under the rug right away. But when you get an outside party speak up that isn't involved is usually the best way to get others to speak of their experiences.

But I do think that that if just one woman spoke of Nick, I do not think that Polygon would've suspended him that fast. Business talks and when a group of industry folks agree, they forced Polygon's hand. I'm not sure if they knew prior to this, but I wouldn't be surprised if they did.
 
Twitter is a mistake. Video games are a mistake. Men are a mistake. Women are a mistake. I blame everyone for this and take no responsibility for any of it.
 
Twitter is a mistake. Video games are a mistake. Men are a mistake. Women are a mistake. I blame everyone for this and take no responsibility for any of it.

What is the point of this?

If Twitter didn't exist, things like this would still happen. They still did happen before Twitter. They continue to happen outside of Twitter.

This sort of thing happens outside of video games.

Yeah, no shit you don't take any responsibility for this because it doesn't involve you.
 
No investigation? Whatsoever?

Sounds like an almighty shitty policy for anybody wrongly accused.

It's probably not true. They are open to a huge legal liability for improper termination. Thing is when most people get fired, the wheels going into termination happen long before the actual firing. The employee won't know, but management and HR will have constructed a solid case for termination prior.

In Nick's case, he is being put on suspension until they can do an internal investigation, because it was a surprise to his company,
 
I've seen a few people genuinely confused by what's in the OP and I think it's because some aren't aware of what subtweeting is.

Subtweeting is when you tweet about someone without tagging and/or mentioning them in your tweet. For example, let's say Person A tweets "I love Super Mario Bros. 3!", then sometime after Person B tweets "Super Mario Bros. 3 fans are losers." To the outside observer (i.e. us), these tweets are likely unrelated and coincidental. But in truth these two tweets may be more closely related than they appear. For example, Person A and Person B may have an established history; they may have worked together, got into fights on Twitter previously, etc.

So in this case, when the first tweet chronologically is "Nick Robinson is in every girls' DMs" and other tweets - released around the same time by Nick's peers - consist of things like "women are routinely silenced about sexual harassment" and "it's good to finally see people speaking out," you can infer that those tweets are related to Nick even if they don't explicitly refer to him.
 
I don't understand what you are saying here.

Nick Robinson sexually harassed some women.

Some of these women must have told someone, or else there wouldn't be people now saying stuff like "Yeah, I heard something about that."

Nevertheless, it's taken until now for anything to happen about it. Why has it taken so long, and are all the people who knew something just as evil as Nick Robinson?

I'm arguing that no, those people aren't complicit, because it isn't their job to go over the victim's head and report something that, had she wanted it reported, she could have reported herself. That doesn't mean it's her own damn fault for not reporting it, because the possible and likely repercussions of reporting sexual harassment have been enumerated in this thread before, but those same potential repercussions are the reason why you don't want to be the person outing the victim yourself.
 
The 'soft boy' term came originally from Monster Factory I think. Justin and Griffin had a tendency to call certain in-game characters 'boys', just as some term of endearment. I think that crossed into Car Boys, when 'soft boy' initially came up.

I honestly wouldn't read into its definition that much. I see it more as an inside joke amongst the fans. And Griffin was considered a 'soft boy' by the viewers as well, which I hope doesn't give people in this thread the wrong idea.
 
Grant is doing his due diligence as an employer, but that's it. Nick's gonna be done next week because nothing else is feasible. Polygon isn't gonna get out in front of this and say "actually it's not true and he's fine." Nick does personality-based work and now he's poisoned his own well. He's not anything even remotely approaching a journalist. He's tanked his value for them. He's out.
 
You guys have to stop getting mad at people who don't understand the situation. Most of the stuff that have been passed around in this thread is conjecture from indirect subtweets. You can't get mad at someone for not understanding the situation when we have no clue what is actually going on beyond him being in females dms. I personally think he has sent or said some sexual harassing things but the tweets themselves don't say anything at all.
 
You guys have to stop getting mad at people who don't understand the situation. Most of the stuff that have been passed around in this thread is conjecture from indirect subtweets. You can't get mad at someone for not understanding the situation when we have no clue what is actually going on beyond him being in females dms. I personally think he has sent or said some sexual harassing things but the tweets themselves don't say anything at all.

It's on them to read the thread. We shouldn't have to hold their hand.
 
The 'soft boy' term came originally from Monster Factory I think. Justin and Griffin had a tendency to call certain in-game characters 'boys', just as some term of endearment. I think that crossed into Car Boys, when 'soft boy' initially came up.

I honestly wouldn't read into its definition that much. I see it more as an inside joke amongst the fans. And Griffin was considered a 'soft boy' by the viewers as well, which I hope doesn't give people in this thread the wrong idea.

Seriously, this.

One of the weirder things about this whole thing is seeing people blow up this bizarre in joke as if it's some sort of way of life for people. I'm 90% sure this originated with the McElroy boys and then when Griffin started working with Nick this term of endearment just followed him.

Still wrestling with all of this today. One of my favourite content creators, Car Boys was a fucking treasure and now every time I think about how evangelically I spread it around I feel a bit sick.
 
The 'soft boy' term came originally from Monster Factory I think. Justin and Griffin had a tendency to call certain in-game characters 'boys', just as some term of endearment. I think that crossed into Car Boys, when 'soft boy' initially came up.

I honestly wouldn't read into its definition that much. I see it more as an inside joke amongst the fans. And Griffin was considered a 'soft boy' by the viewers as well, which I hope doesn't give people in this thread the wrong idea.

Just to clarify: "soft boys" is not original to them at all, actually. And the use of "boys" by McElroys vastly predates any of the recent video/Polygon stuff- the phrasing "good good boys" is what I see used most often by fans.

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Seriously, this.

One of the weirder things about this whole thing is seeing people blow up this bizarre in joke as if it's some sort of way of life for people. I'm 90% sure this originated with the McElroy boys and then when Griffin started working with Nick this term of endearment just followed him.

Still wrestling with all of this today. One of my favourite content creators, Car Boys was a fucking treasure and now every time I think about how evangelically I spread it around I feel a bit sick.

They're one of the more popular examples of it, sure, but they're not the origin of the phrase and it's absolutely a thing beyond them. Hence the people talking, at length, about "soft boy culture".
 
It's on them to read the thread. We shouldn't have to hold their hand.

Yeah, I think the first handful of pages of this thread do a pretty good job of contextualizing what really are, at first glance, a bunch of disparate and unrelated tweets.

Before reading it, I really was hoping this was just an internet tempest in a teacup.
 
Just to clarify: "soft boys" is not original to them at all, actually. And the use of "boys" by McElroys vastly predates any of the recent video/Polygon stuff- the phrasing "good good boys" is what I see used most often by fans.
Yeah, softboy is a term that has existed completely separate from Nick and Griffin for years. It's slang for a guy who tries acting sensitive and brags about being a feminist to sleep with women.

Like BTA said, "good good boys" is more specifically a McElroy thing
 
His reputation and career is over.
It doesn't matter if his suspension is lifted and they cleared him off any wrong charges.
His co-workers will shame him and make his work life a living hell until he goes mad from hostility and forcing him to quit instead.

Oh well...This is why you go to bars to flirt and communicate face to face.
Flirting online is just stupid since there is no tone and you can't sense the awkwardness/uncomfortableness of the whole situation.
You can always back out in real life and laugh it off with the other person and say sorry if you put them in an awkward situation.
Online/Text? Welp, those texts are there forever and you can't take it back quick enough because the Send button has doomed you.
 
Oh well...This is why you go to bars to flirt and communicate face to face.
Flirting online is just stupid since there is no tone and you can't sense the awkwardness/uncomfortableness of the whole situation.
You can always back out in real life and laugh it off with the other person and say sorry if you put them in an awkward situation.
Online/Text? Welp, those texts are there forever and you can't take it back quick enough because the Send button has doomed you.

This is certainly one way to read what's happening.
 
Just to clarify: "soft boys" is not original to them at all, actually. And the use of "boys" by McElroys vastly predates any of the recent video/Polygon stuff- the phrasing "good good boys" is what I see used most often by fans.

Gotcha, thanks for the clarification. My point is I don't think 'soft boy' should be the new 'fuck boy' like some people in this thread believe.

Edit: ah shit, I just looked up 'softboy' in the urban dictionary :/
 
His reputation and career is over.
It doesn't matter if his suspension is lifted and they cleared him off any wrong charges.
His co-workers will shame him and make his work life a living hell until he goes mad from hostility and forcing him to quit instead.

Oh well...This is why you go to bars to flirt and communicate face to face.
Flirting online is just stupid since there is no tone and you can't sense the awkwardness/uncomfortableness of the whole situation.
You can always back out in real life and laugh it off with the other person and say sorry if you put them in an awkward situation.
Online/Text? Welp, those texts are there forever and you can't take it back quick enough because the Send button has doomed you.

Stop making him the victim here. If he did no wrong and gets cleared, people aren't going to be harassing him.
 
Yeah, softboy is a term that has existed completely separate from Nick and Griffin for years. It's slang for a guy who tries acting sensitive and brags about being a feminist to sleep with women.

Like BTA said, "good good boys" is more specifically a McElroy thing

Well that's definitely one that passed me by, huh! The more you know! Kind of just heard boys and went with my McElroy gut.
 
Like others said, "soft boy" comes from way before those Polygon videos, and the use of the term in this discourse has nothing to do with them.
 
His reputation and career is over.
It doesn't matter if his suspension is lifted and they cleared him off any wrong charges.
His co-workers will shame him and make his work life a living hell until he goes mad from hostility and forcing him to quit instead.

Oh well...This is why you go to bars to flirt and communicate face to face.
Flirting online is just stupid since there is no tone and you can't sense the awkwardness/uncomfortableness of the whole situation.
You can always back out in real life and laugh it off with the other person and say sorry if you put them in an awkward situation.
Online/Text? Welp, those texts are there forever and you can't take it back quick enough because the Send button has doomed you.

Actually, I've flirted online for years and nothing bad has happened to me. So do a lot of people, including a lot of people in the games industry. "Extremely horny, on line" is like 70% of, say, Christine Love's brand.

The issue isn't tone or the paper trail here, and it's weird that you're somehow painting Nick as the victim of "choosing the wrong medium" or whatever.
 
His reputation and career is over.
It doesn't matter if his suspension is lifted and they cleared him off any wrong charges.
His co-workers will shame him and make his work life a living hell until he goes mad from hostility and forcing him to quit instead.

Oh well...This is why you go to bars to flirt and communicate face to face.
Flirting online is just stupid since there is no tone and you can't sense the awkwardness/uncomfortableness of the whole situation.
You can always back out in real life and laugh it off with the other person and say sorry if you put them in an awkward situation.
Online/Text? Welp, those texts are there forever and you can't take it back quick enough because the Send button has doomed you.
Flirting online is good if it's mutual and/or you visit the sites/apps for it.

But asking or sending unsolicited pictures, making sex jokes to random strangers just because you like them, etc. is stupid even in person. :p
 
Well that's definitely one that passed me by, huh! The more you know! Kind of just heard boys and went with my McElroy gut.
Tbh, I didn't really know myself until I researched last night, so I don't blame you.
His reputation and career is over.
It doesn't matter if his suspension is lifted and they cleared him off any wrong charges.
His co-workers will shame him and make his work life a living hell until he goes mad from hostility and forcing him to quit instead.

Oh well...This is why you go to bars to flirt and communicate face to face.
Flirting online is just stupid since there is no tone and you can't sense the awkwardness/uncomfortableness of the whole situation.
You can always back out in real life and laugh it off with the other person and say sorry if you put them in an awkward situation.
Online/Text? Welp, those texts are there forever and you can't take it back quick enough because the Send button has doomed you.
Asking for nudes isn't flirting, regardless if you do it in person or online.
 
His reputation and career is over.
It doesn't matter if his suspension is lifted and they cleared him off any wrong charges.
His co-workers will shame him and make his work life a living hell until he goes mad from hostility and forcing him to quit instead.

Oh well...This is why you go to bars to flirt and communicate face to face.
Flirting online is just stupid since there is no tone and you can't sense the awkwardness/uncomfortableness of the whole situation.
You can always back out in real life and laugh it off with the other person and say sorry if you put them in an awkward situation.
Online/Text? Welp, those texts are there forever and you can't take it back quick enough because the Send button has doomed you.
I don't even know where to begin with this.

His career will not be over if this all turns out to be nothing, although it seems chances are pretty high he actually did it. Polygon is looking at what to do. If there is nothing here, they won't fire him. If there is, they have good reason to.

This is not "flirting online". How do you think it goes when you walk up to a girl in a bar and ask for naked pictures? Oh, that's right, that's sexual harassment. Just like it is online.

You are trying to paint this guy as the victim in all this. He is not.
 
You guys have to stop getting mad at people who don't understand the situation. Most of the stuff that have been passed around in this thread is conjecture from indirect subtweets. You can't get mad at someone for not understanding the situation when we have no clue what is actually going on beyond him being in females dms.
Mad? Conjecture? Females? That's a pretty loaded concern.

The point had been explained repeatedly. Guy likely violated workplace law, is suspended. The public portion of the tweeting is in the op. Is that simple.

Questions like the ones you are referencing are starting to beg at what sexual harassment is and why its bad. Entertaining those questions is frustrating. It is worth acting as if that is obvious, and it is actually pretty bad that people keep tugging at that. Also, all those asking that do so as if they are slowing judgement on nick because that would be "logical since we know so little". That is also nuts that without info they would leap to the defense of his honor on the grounds that THEY know so little. Then, we would know more if we had names of victims, right? All that ignorance seems nested in glammourgoddess style question asking, which is also getting tired.
 
His reputation and career is over.
It doesn't matter if his suspension is lifted and they cleared him off any wrong charges.
His co-workers will shame him and make his work life a living hell until he goes mad from hostility and forcing him to quit instead.

Oh well...This is why you go to bars to flirt and communicate face to face.
Flirting online is just stupid since there is no tone and you can't sense the awkwardness/uncomfortableness of the whole situation.
You can always back out in real life and laugh it off with the other person and say sorry if you put them in an awkward situation.
Online/Text? Welp, those texts are there forever and you can't take it back quick enough because the Send button has doomed you.
Asking for nude pictures through messages isn't flirting just like asking to see tits in person isn't flirting.
 
Actually, I've flirted online for years and nothing bad has happened to me. So do a lot of people, including a lot of people in the games industry. "Extremely horny, on line" is like 70% of, say, Christine Love's brand.

The issue isn't tone or the paper trail here, and it's weird that you're somehow painting Nick as the victim of "choosing the wrong medium" or whatever.

I mean, the second tweet in the thread by Erica/@aurahack in the OP even casually talks about people being thirsty together. This isn't just about Being Horny Online.

And I guess it again bears mentioning that what's being talked about is not literally just awkward flirting with strangers.
 
His reputation and career is over.
It doesn't matter if his suspension is lifted and they cleared him off any wrong charges.
His co-workers will shame him and make his work life a living hell until he goes mad from hostility and forcing him to quit instead.

Oh well...This is why you go to bars to flirt and communicate face to face.
Flirting online is just stupid since there is no tone and you can't sense the awkwardness/uncomfortableness of the whole situation.
You can always back out in real life and laugh it off with the other person and say sorry if you put them in an awkward situation.
Online/Text? Welp, those texts are there forever and you can't take it back quick enough because the Send button has doomed you.
No, don't blame it on the medium. It's not Twitter's fault that this guy was harassing women. We can discuss the medium's responsibility in allowing this stuff to happen, sure, but at the end of the day the guy decided to send those messages motu proprio. This is all on him.
 
His reputation and career is over.
It doesn't matter if his suspension is lifted and they cleared him off any wrong charges.
His co-workers will shame him and make his work life a living hell until he goes mad from hostility and forcing him to quit instead.

Oh well...This is why you go to bars to flirt and communicate face to face.
Flirting online is just stupid since there is no tone and you can't sense the awkwardness/uncomfortableness of the whole situation.
You can always back out in real life and laugh it off with the other person and say sorry if you put them in an awkward situation.
Online/Text? Welp, those texts are there forever and you can't take it back quick enough because the Send button has doomed you.
I keep my workplace harassment off the record too
 
I don't even know where to begin with this.

His career will not be over if this all turns out to be nothing, although it seems chances are pretty high he actually did it. Polygon is looking at what to do. If there is nothing here, they won't fire him. If there is, they have good reason to.

This is not "flirting online". How do you think it goes when you walk up to a girl in a bar and ask for naked pictures? Oh, that's right, that's sexual harassment. Just like it is online.

You are trying to paint this guy as the victim in all this. He is not.


Oh, he just straight up asked for nudes?
NVM then.
That is just dumb in general.
Why the hell would you DM someone that?
I thought he was DMing them like you are pretty, and just general flirting.
But not the send nudes please meme stuff to people.

Geez, dude is dumb if that is the case.
 
Really late to this. I was a big fan of Nick and Griffin's work so this is a gut punch... but as someone who genuinely cares about feminism and equality and wears the social justice warrior slur with some pride...

Fuck people like Nick. They give those of us that genuinely give a shit a really bad name. I'm happily married. I couldn't care less about getting laid. The number of times people second guess that I genuinely give a shit are all because of people like this asshole trying to manipulate people into their beds.

I hope this doesn't taint the McEleroys because my wife loves their stuff.
 
I see a bunch of "why did people who knew something not say something already" and I have some personal insight into it because I've been in the same situation. I'll try to break it down a bit:

if you've ever been involved in a social group that involves a few hundred people, for long enough, you'll eventually hear rumors of certain people being ones to be cautious of.

Usually this information won't be directly actionable, lacking indisputable evidence, and you end up only being able to bank this info in your head as reason to be cautious of getting directly involved with that person on a business or creative level. You'll see other people you know working with them, and think to yourself "do they know?" but you don't necessarily have permission to share what you know, or what you know is so vague, you can't act on it. You can only tell people you're really close with on a genuine friendship level, not the couple hundred acquaintances you have in common.

And when people do raise those concerns in public, they get enormous "always been cool to me!" pushback, and they get retaliation in all kinds of tiny or major ways, especially if the person in question is deeply entrenched, is useful to know, has real power in some way over resources like media coverage or job hires or galleries or venues...

but then, maybe years later, if the behavior you've heard about is a pattern and not a one off miscommunication, it'll blow up in the light of day and people will finally talk about it and say vague things about knowing that person was sketchy, or they had heard this or that. And that which ever incident is the one that hits the light of day is part of a pattern, not an isolated incident. That's why people are taking what's happened so far very seriously.

This happens in music, in comics, in venture capital, all kinds of circles that are large enough to have multiple social circles people interact with.
 
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