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With a more round nose

Nicki Minaj with no ass

Her nose being less round can most definitely be attributed to makeup contouring and not surgery. As said before she denies having any work done to her face and I think it's best to take her word for it at this point.

 

[SteveWinwood]

with nicki and drake threads on the front page of ot im reminded that bed rock was a song that existed

 

[Dre3001]

Is this topic serious?

People do not understand how this is offensive?

Its Black History Month and she is referring to Malcom X as a "nigga"

She's disrespecting black men throughout the entire song referring to them as lookin ass niggas or in other words basically calling them bitches. Then she turns around and disrespects one of our strongest black men in American history just to reiterate her disrespect for black men.

The only reason she is issuing a fake apology is because of the negative uproar over the picture. She wanted controversy and got it.

 

[Baby Milo]

Is this topic serious?

People do not understand how this is offensive?

Its Black History Month and she is referring to Malcom X as a "nigga"

She's disrespecting black men throughout the entire song referring to them as lookin ass niggas or in other words basically calling them bitches. Then she turns around and disrespects one of our strongest black men in American history just to reiterate her disrespect for black men.

The only reason she is issuing a fake apology is because of the negative uproar over the picture. She wanted controversy and got it.

this

FDB

 

[Infinite]

Is this topic serious?

People do not understand how this is offensive?

Its Black History Month and she is referring to Malcom X as a "nigga"

She's disrespecting black men throughout the entire song referring to them as lookin ass niggas or in other words basically calling them bitches. Then she turns around and disrespects one of our strongest black men in American history just to reiterate her disrespect for black men.

The only reason she is issuing a fake apology is because of the negative uproar over the picture. She wanted controversy and got it.

I see what you're saying but two things. I don't think she intentionally set out to disrespect Malcom X. It was poorly executed but the intention was not meant to call Malcom x a looking ass nigga. But she apologized for it because people mistook it for that. Also she's not disrespecting black men she's calling out fuck boys in the song who routinely shit on black women and women in general.

 

[SteveWinwood]

Malcolm x sure is... interesting.

 

[royalan]

Man Malcolm X was a real fucking G. One of the greatest people in U.S. history. The 1% just had to take him and King out, huh? Them two are forever my Prez and VP, fuck Obama.

I love the audio recording of the stupid Feds attempting to turn Malcolm X informant and he eloquently telling them to fuck off lol. RIP Brotha Shabazz.

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Well...most people seem to agree that it was likely Nation of Islam that was behind Malcolm's assassination...

Is this topic serious?

People do not understand how this is offensive?

Its Black History Month and she is referring to Malcom X as a "nigga"

She's disrespecting black men throughout the entire song referring to them as lookin ass niggas or in other words basically calling them bitches. Then she turns around and disrespects one of our strongest black men in American history just to reiterate her disrespect for black men.

The only reason she is issuing a fake apology is because of the negative uproar over the picture. She wanted controversy and got it.

...did you listen to the song?

Nicki is disrespecting a certain type of male. Not men in general. That's made pretty clear in the lyrics of the song.

Also, it's 2014. I understand that a lot of people make the personal choice to not use the word nigga, but I think it's time that people acknowledge the pro-black sentiment that's really behind taking back the word. To continue to suggest that black people who use the word "nigga" are still perpetuating self-hatred or disrespect of their culture is completely misleading and wrong. And, considering the type of activist Malcolm X was (a black radical in pretty much every sense), taking back the word nigga likely would have been something he aligned himself with.

 

[SteveWinwood]

Spoiler

Well...most people seem to agree that it was likely Nation of Islam that was behind Malcolm's assassination...

Specifically Louis Farrakhan who has practically admitted that he unofficially "ordered" it.

In a 60 Minutes interview that aired during May 2000, Farrakhan stated that some of the things he said may have led to the assassination of Malcolm X. "I may have been complicit in words that I spoke", he said. "I acknowledge that and regret that any word that I have said caused the loss of life of a human being."[207] A few days later Farrakhan denied that he "ordered the assassination" of Malcolm X, although he again acknowledged that he "created the atmosphere that ultimately led to Malcolm X's assassination."[208]

 

[FartOfWar]

Wow. she only got her boobs and butt done and you feel that way

Counterfeit mams and bootleg butt doesn't count for plastic fantastic?

 

[FreddieQuell]

Is this topic serious?

People do not understand how this is offensive?

Its Black History Month and she is referring to Malcom X as a "nigga"

She's disrespecting black men throughout the entire song referring to them as lookin ass niggas or in other words basically calling them bitches. Then she turns around and disrespects one of our strongest black men in American history just to reiterate her disrespect for black men.

The only reason she is issuing a fake apology is because of the negative uproar over the picture. She wanted controversy and got it.

Since when has "lookin ass" meant bitch? It's meaningless on its own.

 

[Esch]

Nicki is disrespecting a certain type of male. Not men in general. That's made pretty clear in the lyrics of the song.

Also, it's 2014. I understand that a lot of people make the personal choice to not use the word nigga, but I think it's time that people acknowledge the pro-black sentiment that's really behind taking back the word. To continue to suggest that black people who use the word "nigga" are still perpetuating self-hatred or disrespect of their culture is completely misleading and wrong. And, considering the type of activist Malcolm X was (a black radical in pretty much every sense), taking back the word nigga likely would have been something he aligned himself with.

you need to put the cape down man

 

[Slayven]

Eminem wouldn't even make this song in any universe.

What the hell kinda comparison was that to even bring up Macklemore? Was that a joke?

Mackemoore is the Stewart of modern hiphop

 

[Kitschkraft]

Spoiler

Well...most people seem to agree that it was likely Nation of Islam that was behind Malcolm's assassination...

Not necessarily. A lot of people also point to our own government, and this includes some of his family members, and other civil rights activist like James Farmer.

According to his sister, he felt that the bombing of his home (A week before he was assassinated) was "bigger than the black muslims".

...did you listen to the song?

Nicki is disrespecting a certain type of male. Not men in general. That's made pretty clear in the lyrics of the song.

Also, it's 2014. I understand that a lot of people make the personal choice to not use the word nigga, but I think it's time that people acknowledge the pro-black sentiment that's really behind taking back the word. To continue to suggest that black people who use the word "nigga" are still perpetuating self-hatred or disrespect of their culture is completely misleading and wrong. And, considering the type of activist Malcolm X was (a black radical in pretty much every sense), taking back the word nigga likely would have been something he aligned himself with.

She's not making a progressive statement with this song, she's not politically motivated, it's just another standard battle rap, seemingly targeted towards other black people.

I think that it's pretty phony to suggest how Malcolm would have felt about "nigga". He did use the "House Negro/Field Negro" dichotomy, but I doubt he would be cosigning this filth.

 

[Dre3001]

Spoiler

Well...most people seem to agree that it was likely Nation of Islam that was behind Malcolm's assassination...

...did you listen to the song?

Nicki is disrespecting a certain type of male. Not men in general. That's made pretty clear in the lyrics of the song.

Also, it's 2014. I understand that a lot of people make the personal choice to not use the word nigga, but I think it's time that people acknowledge the pro-black sentiment that's really behind taking back the word. To continue to suggest that black people who use the word "nigga" are still perpetuating self-hatred or disrespect of their culture is completely misleading and wrong. And, considering the type of activist Malcolm X was (a black radical in pretty much every sense), taking back the word nigga likely would have been something he aligned himself with.

Perhaps I should have specified in my original post the type of men she was disrespecting. She was not speaking about all black males but I still believe she is reiterating her hatred toward those men with the picture of Malcom X. Her explanation/apology sounds like a true stretch in every sense.

I disagree completely with your second point. The only people who I have heard that claim to be taking back the word are mostly rappers defending ignorance in some of their raps. In my opinion it seems like a weak cop out. This is just from what I have heard first hand though.

 

[Infinite]

Counterfeit mams and bootleg butt doesn't count for plastic fantastic?

I'm saying the post kinda exaggerates. I also frown at the demonization of women who have had surgery sentiments coming from those posts and yours. Nicki still fine either way.

 

[royalan]

you need to put the cape down man

Cape or not, did I lie?

 

[SteveWinwood]

Not necessarily. A lot of people also point to our own government, and this includes some of his family members, and other civil rights activist like James Farmer.

According to his sister, he felt that the bombing of his home (A week before he was assassinated) was "bigger than the black muslims".

Where can I read more about this specific incident? I'm having trouble googling it. I know Malcolm X himself had blamed NOI for some firebombings.

 

[UraMallas]

I like the song but I'm a white dude so no blaring it at the stoplights for me.

 

[Esch]

Cape or not, did I lie?

About the use of the n-word being empowering, I can't comment; not black. I think we both know how Malcolm X would have felt about his likeness being used for a song that's based on shitting on men without a bunch of material wealth or power though.

And yes I do think (male) rappers shouldn't casually use civil rights imagery either

 

[Axiology]

Her nose being less round can most definitely be attributed to makeup contouring and not surgery. As said before she denies having any work done to her face and I think it's best to take her word for it at this point.

Probably not the most sound strategy when it comes to figuring out if people had work done.

 

[Infinite]

I disagree completely with your second point. The only people who I have heard that claim to be taking back the word are mostly rappers defending ignorance in some of their raps. In my opinion it seems like a weak cop out. This is just from what I have heard first hand though.

You must not know a lot a black people then. Marginalized groups of people quite often reclaimed slurs that were used to demean them and turn it into something endearing. Much like the word nigga. I mean not all black people use the word like that but some black people do. Just informing you.

Probably not the most sound strategy when it comes to figuring out if people had work done.

Why would she deny it? It isn't exactly a taboo. I also would much rather take her word for it then people posting pics of her from like 6 years ago looking slightly younger than what she looks like now as evidence.

 

[YoungHav]

Spoiler

Well...most people seem to agree that it was likely Nation of Islam that was behind Malcolm's assassination...

I dunno the extent of how much trash Farrakhan spoke in public, but I do know of an articlethat he wrote in the NOI paper saying the traitorous actions of X are punishable by death. Incendiary words which probably added to the "fuck Malcolm" atmosphere.

I'm sure government agencies had already infiltrated the NOI at that point, it wouldn't surprise me if their agent(s) were complicit or had knowledge of the assassination and turned a blind eye to it.

 

[royalan]

I disagree completely with your second point. The only people who I have heard that claim to be taking back the word are mostly rappers defending ignorance in some of their raps. In my opinion it seems like a weak cop out. This is just from what I have heard first hand though.

Only this isn't very accurate. There's no denying the dark roots of the word, but the popularization of the word "nigga" as positive slang actually arose out of the black intellectualism/power movements of the 70s (back when black people were embracing "blackness" as a positive culture movement). This, of course, bled into early Hip-Hop, as Hip-Hop served as the hotbed of black intellectualism going into the 90s. Ignorant, lazy rappers would adopt the word as well but, as with most movements, that can't be helped.

Funny enough, the black power/black intellectualism movements that gave rise to the popularization of nigga as slang were heavily influenced by Malcolm X's teachings. Malcolm X was all about black radicalism and separatism. He encouraged black people to embrace the things that made us different and view them as powerful. This is the man that referred to himself and those who followed him as "field negroes." Adopting a word that was used as a tool to keep black people down and turning into a word of power and camaraderie would likely have been something Malcolm was all for.

 

[DigitalOp]

You must not know a lot a black people then. Marginalized groups of people quite often reclaimed slurs that were used to demean them and turn it into something endearing. Much like the word nigga. I mean not all black people use the word like that but some black people do. Just informing you.

Oh come on man, I don't hear Asians, Jewish, Latin, or Native American people using their slurs endearingly like I see it in the Black Community. In fact, I think it's something that has invaded our culture pretty discreetly.

I'm not gonna act like I sit on some high horse, because sometimes I actively use the word too but come on man... That annoys me that you would say something like that.

 

[royalan]

Oh come on man, I don't hear Asians, Jewish, Latin, or Native American people using their slurs endearingly like I see it in the Black Community. In fact, I think it's something that has invaded our culture pretty discreetly.

I'm not gonna act like I sit on some high horse, because sometimes I actively use the word too but come on man... That annoys me that you would say something like that.

...not all slurs are created equal. There's no universal guideline on how minorities should deal with their slurs.

 

[Infinite]

Oh come on man, I don't hear Asians, Jewish, Latin, or Native American people using their slurs endearingly like I see it in the Black Community. In fact, I think it's something that has invaded our culture pretty discreetly.

I'm not gonna act like I sit on some high horse, because sometimes I actively use the word too but come on man... That annoys me that you would say something like that.

What exactly are you trying to say here? Because you yourself haven't encountered other groups of people reclaim slurs then this invalidates black people using the word nigga as a term of endearment? Whether you want to face it or not this is precisely the case and not just for the n-word.

 

[DigitalOp]

...not all slurs are created equal. There's no universal guideline on how minorities should deal with their slurs.

And that fine. I get that. But he's trying to equate the tone as "reclaiming the slur to make it endearing". And quite frankly, Im sure you don't see that happening as described in other communities.

That's all I'm saying.

 

[Dre3001]

You must not know a lot a black people then. Marginalized groups of people quite often reclaimed slurs that were used to demean them and turn it into something endearing. Much like the word nigga. I mean not all black people use the word like that but some black people do. Just informing you.

I think the amount of people using the word as something endearing are much smaller than you are implying.

 

[jordan0386]

Oh come on man, I don't hear Asians, Jewish, Latin, or Native American people using their slurs endearingly like I see it in the Black Community. In fact, I think it's something that has invaded our culture pretty discreetly.

I'm not gonna act like I sit on some high horse, because sometimes I actively use the word too but come on man... That annoys me that you would say something like that.

So if you use it, what are you blabbing about?

 

[DigitalOp]

I think the amount of people using the word as something endearing are much smaller than you are implying.

Pretty much this.

Im saying that's is not the raw root origin of its use now in its modern form. Yes, it can be used as a term of endearment, but that is still not the underlying context in its use.

Often I see it being used strongest to evoke emotions of ridicule, anger, harassment etc more than endearment.

Ironic right? I see alot of people say that we use it to show love but more often not I see it be used to go on ourselves more than anything.

Case in point, This Nicki Minaj song.

 

[Kitschkraft]

Where can I read more about this specific incident? I'm having trouble googling it. I know Malcolm X himself had blamed NOI for some firebombings.

Are you just asking for a source on his sister and James Farmer?

This is a documentary on him that was originally released in 1972 : Malcolm X Tribute

James Farmer is unconvinced.

His sister speaking on his assassination.

If you rewind just a few minutes earlier, there are statements from Farrakhan, MLK, and his wife (Who responds to the question with silence).

Obviously, the statements of two people don't prove anything. But I personally disagree with the idea that his murder was only the work of the NOI. And I don't think there is a consensus.

 

[DigitalOp]

So if you use it, what are you blabbing about?

Im blabbing about being conscious of my actions and the world around me. What would you like to add to the discussion?

 

[SteveWinwood]

Are you just asking for a source on his sister and James Farmer?

This is a documentary on him that was originally released in 1972 : Malcolm X Tribute

James Farmer is unconvinced.

His sister speaking on his assassination.

If you rewind just a few minutes earlier, there are statements from Farrakhan, MLK, and his wife (Who responds to the question with silence).

Obviously, the statements of two people don't prove anything. But I personally disagree with the idea that his murder was only the work of the NOI. And I don't think there is a consensus.

Thanks for the links. I'll make sure to watch them.

Malcolm X and the NOI is endlessly interesting.

I was referring to this video by the way earlier: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qT4EhY7QQ38 where he said "My house was bombed by the Black Muslim movement upon the orders of Elijah Muhammad." Seemed pretty clear cut there to me from where he seemed to stand.

I don't know if there is a consensus or not, but most of what I had read lead me to believe there was one blaming the NOI.

 

[royalan]

Pretty much this.

Im saying that's is not the raw root origin of its use now in its modern form. Yes, it can be used as a term of endearment, but that is still not the underlying context in its use.

Often I see it being used strongest to evoke emotions of ridicule, anger, harassment etc more than endearment.

Ironic right? I see alot of people say that we use it to show love but more often not I see it be used to go on ourselves more than anything.

Case in point, This Nicki Minaj song.

"That's my nigga" is one of the most popular uses of the term.

Is it used sometimes to convey negativity? Sure. But it's used positively as well, and I don't think it can be called what it's used for most.

 

[jordan0386]

Im blabbing about being conscious of my actions and the world around me. What would you like to add to the discussion?

N word is the least of anyones worries.

Nicki is a rapper who used the N word. Only matters cause she is on top of the game.

 

[Infinite]

Pretty much this.

Im saying that's is not the raw root origin of its use now in its modern form. Yes, it can be used as a term of endearment, but that is still not the underlying context in its use.

Often I see it being used strongest to evoke emotions of ridicule, anger, harassment etc more than endearment.

Ironic right? I see alot of people say that we use it to show love but more often not I see it be used to go on ourselves more than anything.

Case in point, This Nicki Minaj song.

Eh this is something else were getting too that's honestly beyond the scope of a simple nicki Minaj thread. I disagree with you and royalan already explained why minorities reclaim a slur and use it amongst themselves whether that be for a term of endearment or not. Some of us don't use the word but some of us do so there may be black people who agree with you but I'm not one of them.

 

[DigitalOp]

"That's my nigga" is one of the most popular uses of the term.

Is it used sometimes to convey negativity? Sure. But it's used positively as well, and I don't think it can be called what it's used for most.

I can agree to that. Its use has surpassed into pop culture common day vernacular and that's cool I guess....

But Idk... There is still a gorilla in the room. I still have friends who are comfortable around anyone saying it. I have friends who want to fight anyone who says it that isn't black. We have our parents & grandparents (Or mine at least) who look at us like "what the fuck is wrong with you" when they hear us say it...

So yes, there is less vitriol in this day and age but I don't think the tension will go away until there is some dialogue on how its going to evolve and be used going forward.

N word is the least of anyones worries.

Nicki is a rapper who used the N word. Only matters cause she is on top of the game.

Of course, is she wasn't relevant, this wouldn't be "news". But she had to "apologize" for it so it must mean something.

Eh this is something else were getting too that's honestly beyond the scope of a simple nicki Minaj thread. I disagree with you and royalan already explained why minorities reclaim a slur and use it amongst themselves whether that be for a term of endearment or not. Some of us don't use the word but some of us do so there may be black people who agree with you but I'm not one of them.

That's cool. Its definitely a little derailing for this thread. I wonder if you would think it would be interesting enough to open a thread about but I also think that GAF may not be the best place to foster an honest attempt at this kind of discussion. I am interested though, what do you say?

 

[SteveWinwood]

That's cool. Its definitely a little derailing for this thread. I wonder if you would think it would be interesting enough to open a thread about but I also think that GAF may not be the best place to foster an honest attempt at this kind of discussion. I am interested though, what do you say?

A thread should be made. Just so we can watch the bans roll through.

 

[Dre3001]

That's cool. Its definitely a little derailing for this thread. I wonder if you would think it would be interesting enough to open a thread about but I also think that GAF may not be the best place to foster an honest attempt at this kind of discussion. I am interested though, what do you say?

If anything have a discussion about it in the Black Culture OT in the community section.

Anywhere else may be asking for trouble.

 

[Infinite]

I don't think spinning the discussion off into its own thread is a good idea and that's because like you said gaf isn't the best place these kinds of talks. What you're going to end up with its people feeling wronged because they "cant" say a slur anymore but other people can and derail the discussion. The discussion should be about how the in group uses a word and not why the out group cant.

 

[royalan]

I wouldn't mind a thread being made. It's Black History Month.

And if people can't be mature in discussion let them be banned.

I'm noticing a disturbing trend with a lot of OT Communities basically being bullied into not making threads because of fear of the GAF collective. Fight the power!

 

[Kitschkraft]

Thanks for the links. I'll make sure to watch them.

Malcolm X and the NOI is endlessly interesting.

I was referring to this video by the way earlier: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qT4EhY7QQ38 where he said "My house was bombed by the Black Muslim movement upon the orders of Elijah Muhammad." Seemed pretty clear cut there to me from where he seemed to stand.

I don't know if there is a consensus or not, but most of what I had read lead me to believe there was one blaming the NOI.

No problem, it's a pretty interesting documentary.

Part of that speech is actually in the documentary, as well as some footage of the home : "Oh yes, I probably am a dead man already".

 

[siddx]

Goddamn I want to throw a brick at her face.

Song is terrible, cover is terrible, she is terrible. Melt her down and recycle her into some other pop star.


And while it's an offensive cover, it's no more offensive than a lot of the bullshit male rappers do on a daily basis. And this is coming from a lifelong rap fan who listens to almost nothing else but hip hop.

 

[YoungHav]

IIRC in Fredrick Douglas autobiography, the slaves were using the n-word as a term of endearment amongst eachother. This thing is old, I'm guessing it becAme a national debate when rap exploded and folks got whiny about not being able to say it.

 

[GraveHorizon]

Nicki Minaj is a stupid stupid person.

Fixed.

 

[ISOM]

Oh come on man, I don't hear Asians, Jewish, Latin, or Native American people using their slurs endearingly like I see it in the Black Community. In fact, I think it's something that has invaded our culture pretty discreetly.

I'm not gonna act like I sit on some high horse, because sometimes I actively use the word too but come on man... That annoys me that you would say something like that.

Agreed on this.

 

[Murder. She Wrote]

I drove three hours to work on her music video, such a shitty song.

Spoiler

Whatevs I got paid.

 

[jordan0386]

Agreed on this.

No other culture really has a word like it. The worst possible word, flipped on its head.

It is lol inducing to see people so mad at black people using a word, in whatever form they want, that was only created for them. Funny how life works.

 

[jordan0386]

I drove three hours to work on her music video, such a shitty song.

Spoiler

Whatevs I got paid.

Whats shitty about it?

Really goes at a lot of dudes in the hood to check themselves.

 

[Baby Milo]

Really goes at a lot of dudes in the hood to check themselves.

well that's something we really needed