ViewtifulJC
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Yeah, I sure didn't read this thread title as "Niggling"
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Niggling questions about Chrono Trigger
- Thread starter DonMigs85
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Both of your statements are wrong. It's clear you haven't played Chrono Cross.
... and this is the part where the thread turns into a gif dump. I wish I had one to contribute, but there isn't a gif out there worthy of CT.
After the crap they did with Chrono Cross I sure hope not.
Labombadog
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Chrono Cross was amazing. Slightly better than Trigger.
Chrono Cross is amazing indeed. This man knows whats up.
Only those from after Lavos' landing on the planet have the potential for magic. Ayla can't learn magic because she's from before Lavos' landing on the planet. You try to take her to Speccio to learn magic and he'll even say that she comes from the time before humans had the potential for magic. Meanwhile, outside of those blessed by Speccio, the only people seen to be natively using magic are the people in the Kingdom of Zeal, which were using Lavos as a source of energy. That is mostly the sign that Ayla is less "evolved" than the other party members and that they are evolved for the potential of magic because of Lavos.
Which would be fine if the point was that mankind was incapable of the use of magic prior to contact with Lavos. Instead there's a bullshit mural showing mankind as stooped over ape men prior to contact with Lavos. More to the point, by the time Crono and company roll around, almost no one can use magic anymore. In Frog's era its considered association with Mystics and Magus' forces. Meaning the human beings of that era weren't more evolved in the sense they could use magic, since most of them could not.
The human beings being less evolved than they were after contact with Lavos is nonsense concocted by Cross for the sake of forcing its stupid point about how humans were assholes home, even though both games demonstrate that humankind is just about the only race that does care about preserving the planet.
Like that bullshit about Reptites evolving more closely with the planet after we saw them building giant fortresses like humanity would.
DonMigs85
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Remember this quote in Zeal?
"It all began ages ago, when man's ancestors picked up a shard of a strange red rock...
Its power, which was beyond human comprehension, cultivated dreams...
In turn, love and hate were born...
Only time will see how it all ends."
It does make it seem that humans were dumb apes before touching the rock.
"It all began ages ago, when man's ancestors picked up a shard of a strange red rock...
Its power, which was beyond human comprehension, cultivated dreams...
In turn, love and hate were born...
Only time will see how it all ends."
It does make it seem that humans were dumb apes before touching the rock.
Elfforkusu
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Radical Dreamers is better than Chrono Cross.
As for the questions:
1) it's gotta be the Earth. Gaia hypothesis, as it were.
2) Consider the time scale! If humans were already evolved at 65,000,000 BC and only achieved enlightenment by around 12,000 BC, there had to be some force retarding their development. IMO!
3) Janus.
Actually, re: #2 and the quote, you could argue that human intelligence ebbed and flowed solely at Lavos' discretion...
As for the questions:
1) it's gotta be the Earth. Gaia hypothesis, as it were.
2) Consider the time scale! If humans were already evolved at 65,000,000 BC and only achieved enlightenment by around 12,000 BC, there had to be some force retarding their development. IMO!
3) Janus.
Actually, re: #2 and the quote, you could argue that human intelligence ebbed and flowed solely at Lavos' discretion...
hydragonwarrior
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Btw Gato = Entity
LOL Let's not go there son.
lol well my opinion changes from time to time. Its hard to choose between your 2 favourite games of all time.
I always thought this was common knowledge and accepted. Humans became advanced due to contact with Lavos while before that the Reptites were the smart ones and more evolved than humans.
No. Everyone knows Catalack = The Entity.
The first rule of chrono trigger is that it's a stand alone game, the extra content in the DS version doesn't really exist and there was never a sequel or a spin off. Just some weird playstation RPG that borrowed the word Chrono and used some bad fanfiction to make people think it was a sequel.
I was always under the impression that the entity was supposed to be Schala somehow tapping into the time space continuum/ the planets energy and Lavos itself.
The enlightened kingdom of zeal was simply some humans figuring out how to tap into lavos' power directly , Lavos arrival on earth destroyed much of the far more advanced reptite society which allowed the humans to grow in number and , well according to the time wheel at least, it took 64 950 000 years but lavos essentially mutated some people into his servants. After they got cocky and tried to take too much from lavos , it breached the surface and destroyed them because it had evolved and absorbed all it could from their society. After that event it took almost 52,000 years for lavos to finish his lifecycle and erupt from the surface once more, this time to spread its seed across the planet to eventually spread to new undiscovered worlds elsewhere in the universe.
The term "red rock" , didn't that come from aylas tribe ? red rock or fire rock or something in their language was supposed to translate into Lavos.
I was always under the impression that the entity was supposed to be Schala somehow tapping into the time space continuum/ the planets energy and Lavos itself.
The enlightened kingdom of zeal was simply some humans figuring out how to tap into lavos' power directly , Lavos arrival on earth destroyed much of the far more advanced reptite society which allowed the humans to grow in number and , well according to the time wheel at least, it took 64 950 000 years but lavos essentially mutated some people into his servants. After they got cocky and tried to take too much from lavos , it breached the surface and destroyed them because it had evolved and absorbed all it could from their society. After that event it took almost 52,000 years for lavos to finish his lifecycle and erupt from the surface once more, this time to spread its seed across the planet to eventually spread to new undiscovered worlds elsewhere in the universe.
The term "red rock" , didn't that come from aylas tribe ? red rock or fire rock or something in their language was supposed to translate into Lavos.
roodiculous
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Thread title gave me the niggles.
There's no such rule.
Truer words have never been typed.
It gets worse after that.
Worst cast of characters in an RPG ever.
Seriously.
Oh yeah, 99% of the cast is terrible.
But no. It gets better. A lot better.
pillowtalk
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Wasn't it La = Big, Vos = Fire? Sorry it's been like 15 years since my last playthrough.
CC was a mess. i ultimately enjoyed it, and i give it props for tying up CT's biggest loose end and expanding the CT mythos instead of simply continuing it.
i guess in some ways its better we got that instead of some paint by the numbers sequel without the original team. but its not even in the same stratosphere as CT
i guess in some ways its better we got that instead of some paint by the numbers sequel without the original team. but its not even in the same stratosphere as CT
I've played the Chrono games a lot and this is the first time I encounter this entity stuff. I always assumed the campfire scene was just the characters philosophizing -- no implications whatsoever on the plot. Now though, I feel like playing these games again.
If only to continue my goal of trying to make sense out of CC's plot. This thread reminds how crazy intricate CC gets. What a phenomenal game.
#TeamCross > #TeamTrigger
If only to continue my goal of trying to make sense out of CC's plot. This thread reminds how crazy intricate CC gets. What a phenomenal game.
#TeamCross > #TeamTrigger
I like Chrono Cross as a game, but man it does some insane things to the story not to mention
I want to pretend they are just loosely connected, but the DS version of CT made even stronger allusions to CC.
If they ever make a third Chrono game, I hope the story is completely disconnected from the franchise to be honest. Just keep a lot of the gameplay aspects, such as the time traveling.
killing off CT's cast like they're nothing.
If they ever make a third Chrono game, I hope the story is completely disconnected from the franchise to be honest. Just keep a lot of the gameplay aspects, such as the time traveling.
Zuhzuhzombie!!
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Dragonians are the last species to have anything favorable to say about humans. Their whole existence on that time-axis and being completely torn away from their home dimension is entirely the fault of humans messing with time.
So, what do we make out about this line, said by an NPC after Lavos fell in Prehistory:
I always assumed it was reference to the Silver Rock you can find from a Nu in the burnt Laruba ruins, but now...
Valjean Lafitte
Banned
Well sure, if we go with the Dream Stone, but that was there well before Lavos ever landed on the planet. Before Lavos ever got there we saw that humanity was perfectly human. It kind of contradicts Chrono Trigger's big reveal to say that humanity evolved because of exposure to Lavos, when prior to the final battle its said the other way around, that Lavos has evolved due to contact with life on the planet.
The bigger problem with Cross for me is that every race on the planet minus humanity is made up of arrogant assholes who want to put the blame for all the world's problems on the one race that throughout its history has sought to solve these problems.
That scene with the fucking dwarves and fairies being all like "waaa humans are bastards waaa" pisses me off to this day. If I'd had any control over the party I'd have come back there as Lynx and murdered every fucking fairy on that island.
Fuck those wretched ingrates. Human beings are the ones out there trying to save time and the world from this stupid space parasite.
Probably
CC said Lavos trigger human evolution, but CC is stupid and it doesn't make any sense since Ayla looks exactly like the others and can talk and shit. In CT Lavos "introduced" magic to humans.
He's human.
Hm. What she did in that state would have changed nothing had a certain guru not only predicted the consequences of those actions, but set about the chess pieces in a way that would eventually figure out the right path to follow, leading to saving all space-time and a misplaced NPC... by destroying/altering the lives of various researchers and dragging peace-loving dino people from another dimension kicking and screaming into his.
Belthasar is the true hero/villain of Chrono Cross.
SirBukkake
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I got a question that's been bothering me since age 13... What the hell is up with the Mop weapon? Why can you steal them from Nus?
The characters in the game speculate that it is. Like the dying planet reliving important moments in its life, hence the gates.
Yes, the red rock/Frozen Flame guided the evolution of humans. It's also a piece of Lavos.
It wouldn't be too weird if Magus appearance changed like that because of his magic. IIRC Cross states Schala had blue hair because she had a lot of magix.
Edit: I don't remember Cross retconning the dreamstone into the Frozen Flame. Dream Rock seemed to be something there was more than one thing of, whereas the Frozen Flame was a singular thing.
DonMigs85
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Maybe Ayla and the other prehistoric people are Neanderthals/cro-magnons while Chrono and co. are Homo Sapiens Sapiens
sixteen-bit
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ProtomanNeo
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I thought that what we see arriving on earth was baby/spawn of Lavos that would grow into big Lavos.
foxuzamaki
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get the virtual console version
Trojita
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I'm just going to quote previous posts I've made in GAF when talking about Chrono Cross
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
Wait what? Ayla as ape? how is it possible?
Trojita
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DiipuSurotu
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Red Rock isn't part of Lavos. Part of Lavos is Red Rock. i.e. there is nothing to suggest that Red Rock doesn't occur on other planets.
No, she is an early human. Here are some proof from CC:
http://www.chronocompendium.com/Term/File:Picture_ayla.png.html Ayla
http://www.chronocompendium.com/Term/File:Leahart.png.html Ayla's mother