AceBandage
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Until people can prove that the iCrap is actually stealing sales from the DS/PSP/3DS/PSP2, then I say we ban them from being posted here.
They're idiot hit mongers.
They're idiot hit mongers.
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Nintendo 3DS Is a Last-Gen Game Machine - Wired/Game Life Opinion
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ItWasMeantToBe19
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AceBandage said:
This is even more stupid.
Regulus Tera
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Gameboy was like early eighties technology.
Gameboy Color was eighties technology.
Gameboy Advance was nineties technology
DS is like N64-era technology.
So, no shit?
Gameboy Color was eighties technology.
Gameboy Advance was nineties technology
DS is like N64-era technology.
So, no shit?
civilstrife
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It seems to me that people are forgetting something.
3DS plays games in 3D without glasses.
No Apple product can yet match that feature. Whether or not it's a lasting innovation remains to be seen, but for the time being that one fact is going to drive 12 year olds fucking wild.
3DS plays games in 3D without glasses.
No Apple product can yet match that feature. Whether or not it's a lasting innovation remains to be seen, but for the time being that one fact is going to drive 12 year olds fucking wild.
antonz said:
the 3D photography is not only matched it's surpassed by another device that is currently on the market. Additionally, the 3D video is surpassed in a different way since this device can actually FILM 3D HD movies, which is something 3DS cannot do. Yes, it even has a screen that is autostereoscopic!
Amir0x said:
Well Iwata has specifically mentioned recording 3D video down the road. And the 3DS plays movies beyond just the potential to record them. 3D camcorders or whatever are useless if you wanna watch how to train your dragon or something.
As far as photography sure there are 3D Cameras on the market but they are such a minor part of the marketplace. In a day of sales more 3D cameras will sell via the 3DS than standalone cameras have
Kobun Heat said:
DS sales are following the trend of any traditional game hardware growing long in the tooth and entering its sixth year, the survey is from a time when the iPad was the new hotness and 3DS marketing in particular hadn't reached critical mass, and analysts... lol.
I've been hearing the same thing about download killing the physical star this, convergence devices that, and how dedicated handhelds have already been beaten for years and have yet to see any compelling evidence to back it up.
civilstrife
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Amir0x said:
How much do these devices cost? Are they aimed at the mass market?
And 3D video is all but confirmed by Iwata to be coming in an update.
antonz said:
That's fine but that's not what you said. You said 'Everything it does in 3D is unmatched basically', which is patently untrue. The 3DS doesn't even come remotely in the same galaxy of quality in 3D photography as the dedicated device does. Nor will it ever film video with remotely the same quality as this product does, given the shitty cameras Nintendo stocked in the thing.
If you are serious about 3D photography or videos, the 3DS is not going to be the device to sell it.
civilstrife said:
You can get a 3D camera for around $300. This of course includes the capability to film 3D films in HD (something the 3DS will never be capable of) and taking photos that are actually not crappy cellphone quality.
And yes, it has its own 3.5 inch autostereoscopic screen.
Dreamwriter
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True but Antonz said the 3D picture feature was unmatched. I happen to have a Finepix 3D W-3 camera, and its 3D photography and video features put the 3DS to shame, and its glasses-less 3D screen is better than the 3DS as well (it's twice the vertical resolution). It also has multiple ways of getting the 3D pictures off of the device, something the 3DS has no way to do at all. It costs $400, but there are alternatives that still outclass the 3DS - for a mere $200 you can get a 3D video camera from Aiptek.Boney said:
AceBandage
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Cheech said:
I really don't think you, who refused to read your own posts, has any room to talk in this topic.
beelzebozo
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Lonely1 said:
you better crap when the sign comes on
ShockingAlberto
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I can provide tons of anecdotal evidence each way that iPods/DSes are stealing each other's customers, or at least their dollars for software.
But really, this is mostly going to come down to anecdotes and personal preferences. Unless we want to trot out data that a six year old system is down while the iFamily is up, which can be argued as misleading, we're not going see real ramifications of an ancient Nintendo vs. a new and hip Apple/Google for another two to three years.
It's up to Nintendo to stave that off and I don't think they've made any moves that say they're conceding or they're actively trying either way.
But really, this is mostly going to come down to anecdotes and personal preferences. Unless we want to trot out data that a six year old system is down while the iFamily is up, which can be argued as misleading, we're not going see real ramifications of an ancient Nintendo vs. a new and hip Apple/Google for another two to three years.
It's up to Nintendo to stave that off and I don't think they've made any moves that say they're conceding or they're actively trying either way.
civilstrife
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The genius is in putting the technology in an entertainment device.
It's not the reason people are purchasing the device, but it's a great incentive.
Whether or not 3D photography is available, It's not prolific yet. I'd be willing to bet that most consumers' first major encounter with 3D cameras and autostereoscopic screens are going to be on the 3DS.
People seeking 3D photography will buy the hardware that's currently out there. But no matter how you slice it, 3D photography is not yet a mass market business. Video Game consoles are. When 3DS is a hit this holiday, families are going to playing with 3D photography for the first time, and telling their friends about it. Which will in turn drive interest in 3DS. Maybe it'll drive interest for 3D point and shoots as well, but that remains to be seen.
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It's not the reason people are purchasing the device, but it's a great incentive.
Whether or not 3D photography is available, It's not prolific yet. I'd be willing to bet that most consumers' first major encounter with 3D cameras and autostereoscopic screens are going to be on the 3DS.
People seeking 3D photography will buy the hardware that's currently out there. But no matter how you slice it, 3D photography is not yet a mass market business. Video Game consoles are. When 3DS is a hit this holiday, families are going to playing with 3D photography for the first time, and telling their friends about it. Which will in turn drive interest in 3DS. Maybe it'll drive interest for 3D point and shoots as well, but that remains to be seen.
Bought!
civilstrife said:
i mean i don't think there's a single thing genius about autostereoscopic 3D but again the point isn't about the relative merits of putting crap cellphone quality cameras in a game device so you can take really poor quality 3D pics and film, it's just about proving the lie that the 3DS is basically unmatched in all ways in terms of 3D.
This does not even come close to being true. In everything except gaming a $300 Fuji camera device does the 3D better. Hell, it even has a better 3D autostereoscopic screen
civilstrife
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I agree that the technology isn't unmatched in recent products.
I do think, however, that it's the one of the earliest and best consumer propositions for autostereoscopic 3D media. It's also the cheapest and plays video games.
I do think, however, that it's the one of the earliest and best consumer propositions for autostereoscopic 3D media. It's also the cheapest and plays video games.
Exactly.ShockingAlberto said:
I still see the "but the DS only sold 2 million in the US last December". But I mean, after six years, like 150 million units worldwide; how well is a system expected to sell in one month, in one region; with the impending release of a new version?
And that Nielsen poll? Again? Geeze.
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I look at the 3D as a bonus gimmick. The 3DS is just nintendos next generation handheld and it just happens to be able to do 3D without glasses.
Kobun Heat
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Thus far, no one has provided any reason why that Nielsen poll is inaccurate other than the fact that you really, really don't want it to be.fernoca said:
-Pyromaniac-
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Yeah but this is NintendoRouter said:
1. It (apparently) polled 6-12 years, before the holiday season.Kobun Heat said:
2. The poll was around October, covering what they wanted during a six months period (period which included Christmas, and Three Kings Day probably in some hispanic families)
3. Asked what they were planning on buying (as if they could actually buy those things, so it was more like what they were looking for as gifts, or a big wishlist).
One thing is wanting things and another thing is buying or getting them.
That same poll, put the Move and the PSP over the Xbox 360 and the Kinect; yet the Xbox 360 and Kinect outsold both, probably even combined (and were doing it before that poll conducted too). So there's no relation of wanting things versus getting them or actually buying them.
Guess there were a lot of disappointed kids this Christmas if that was the case, shortages of the 360 during December could imply higher sales in January. And the upcoming release of the 3DS could initiate a roller coaster after the ads start rolling in. So that whole list could get a big shuffle basically every month.
Neither it implies that the higher position of the iDevices in there means taking sales from the DS (or others). Heck like 90 million "i-stuff/Devices"were sold last year, one might expect multiple game publishers reporting multi million selling games (in the high tens like Angry Birds), but I do remember Gameloft expressing disappointment at their sales since EA lowered their prices of all their games during the holiday season, which put a list of top selling games full of EA games, and since people tend to buy mostly the top selling games (on iTouch/Pad/Phone) from the list; ignored many new releases.
So I still don't see the relation of the Nielsen poll, or the DS only selling 2 million in December in the US; but I admit I'm kinda dumb.
beelzebozo
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scitek said:
smiling sweetly at a dog schlong?
Dreamwriter
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I don't get this point of view. Going from a system a little more powerful than a PSX to a system more powerful than a Wii, with new features no previous game system has ever had, is just a small update? Not a generational upgrade?Router said:
Kobun Heat said:
Okay, let me spell this out for you.
The Nielsen poll is NOT inaccurate. That's not what people are arguing.
The conclusions that are being reached from that data is what people are arguing against. There is no sound basis to the idea that the Nielsen survey indicates that sales of iDevices have significantly cut into Nintendo DS sales. It's all conjecture that may or may not be true.
Do you see the difference?
Dreamwriter
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Nintendo never gets the final names right. I've always preferred Project Reality and the Nintendo Revolution.
Neuromancer
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Kobun Heat
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The poll is not being cited as ipso facto proof of the belief that iPhone sales are cutting into DS sales. The poll is being used as one of many, varied data points that illustrate that the possibility of this scenario is worth taking seriously.jman2050 said: