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Nintendo 3DS Is a Last-Gen Game Machine - Wired/Game Life Opinion
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Amir0x said:
To be fair, Paper Mario is pretty awesome looking, but... I won't have time to play it for at least that long. Too many plans, too little time. I don't have a helluva lot of free time now.
They've have to magically turn OoT into LttP for me to give a crap. Steel Diver might be good, though my only interest in it comes from EAD's strange fascination with it.
damn it now I feel like digging up the Ocarina of Time topic and calling out those in the thread for saying I was dumb for even hesitating on OoT 3DS because 'of course it'll have substantial new content like dungeons, they did it for all their other big remakes. Look at SM64DS!'
Ah well, it wasn't an expectation. Looked really low effort to start. Steel Diver it is.
Ah well, it wasn't an expectation. Looked really low effort to start. Steel Diver it is.
I'm not interested in 3D, nor Nintendo's annoying recent habit of selling on cheaper hardware at inflated prices. As a consumer if the PSP2 packs in as much stuff as sony can get away with financially I'd go that route on a hardware perspective alone. But software is what makes me buy consoles, so I'm taking my business where the Monster Hunter series ends up really.
civilstrife
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"Anyway, this is really off topic, but don't invent shit in your mind to compensate for why you cannot rationally have discussions with people with strong opinions.".
This. This right here is a personal insult. It's not about my opinion. It's about me.
That's what people are talking about, Amirox.
This. This right here is a personal insult. It's not about my opinion. It's about me.
That's what people are talking about, Amirox.
boomerisgod
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notworksafe said:
Yeah, it's like textbook example of trolling haha.
"In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room, or blog, with the primary intent of provoking other users into a desired emotional response[1] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion."
Most of my purchases are Sony products though.
plagiarize
Banned
if you're referring to me, and you might not be, i'm pretty sure that we did discuss said criticism.Cheech said:
i also called you a fanboy (well i didn't direct the comment at anyone in particular, but yes, you guessed, you were one of the people), but i didn't call you a zealot. i'll remember that one for next time.
i called you a fanboy because you were acting like one. i'll gladly provide quotes if you want to relive the whole sordid experience.
civilstrife said:
wow so I guess basically you just need to learn what insults mean. I'm sure this statement of fact will also be interpreted as a insult in some recess in your mind. Bring this conversation to my PM, it's too ridiculous for this topic anymore. In this case it literally is all in your mind.
apana said:
I would die and go to heaven. TO HEAVEN.
Amir0x said:
Definitely the Wario Land trilogy, Donkey Kong 94, SMB Deluxe, and Shantae. The Game & Watch Gallery trilogy would be nice too, although I suspect they'll remain as classic-only DSiWare titles instead. I'd fully expect the assortment of Kirby titles (of varying quality) to show up as well. As for more wishful thinking, provided the obvious license wasn't an issue, Mickey's Racing Adventure and Speedway USA both hold up pretty well.
Amir0x said:
Just because it's not getting a new dungeon doesn't mean its not getting any kind of other significant content. Maybe a new mini game in town or a new hood to wear (other than rabbit ears). Or maybe new Poe to catch. Or heck maybe even a new song to learn. Or using the microphone to blow while playing notes (al la spirit track). All I'm saying is hold off on the the "no new content" talk until we know for sure
If he was trolling you or trying to wind you up I sincerely doubt he'd bother to stick around and try and explain himself. Amirox just seems like a direct person to me. If we all were just a tad bit less "defence mode" didnt take everything so serious and laughed at ourselves more, we'd have a lot more fun, not just on GAF but in life.civilstrife said:
plagiarize
Banned
if i was king of neogaf, any speculation about the possible existance of a true sequel to Wind Waker would be bannable unless it came with a PR statement straight from Nintendo. everytime someone talks about such a thing, the realisation that it will never happen cuts at my soul.Amir0x said:
That's what I got from the opinion piece too. Used a fair bit of shallow "what if"'s without going into much detail about how exactly it would make an impact, and comparisons to the PSP in the old PSP/DS market for a market that is not at all similar in nature today which seems rather inconsistent.Gaborn said:
Bizzyb said:
are you seriously trying to convince me that my apprehension will change if they add a new mini-game or Poes to catch? Come on. I've always maintained I only want it if they add SUBSTANTIAL new content, which is a dungeon or something like that. I don't play Zelda for mini-games or outfits, no offense to those who do
It's simply a low effort all around, which is fine. Like some said, there are a few who haven't played Ocarina of Time. It's just not for me, I've played it like 30 times and have no desire to play it again right now.
plagiarize said:
oh man it would be so amazing. Wind Waker with two or three more dungeons. I think depending on the quality of the dungeons, it might catapult Wind Waker to BEST 3D ZELDA EVER status.
Amir0x said:
They're decent as GB platformers go (and I do expect they'll be on the 3DS VH eventually), but if you didn't like the SNES ones, I definitely wouldn't recommend the GB installments at this point in time, as they're inferior in pretty much every way. I'd say they're above-average by GB standards though, particularly 2 and 3.
plagiarize said:
OK, so, what you're saying is that anybody who actually agrees with the original article is a "fanboy"? All I did is flesh out why I agreed with the kobun's article. Basically, the gist of my posts from yesterday was, "I also think the 3DS feels like a last gen device, and here's why...".
The reasons I listed made some people just flip their shit and go on personal attacks with 'zealot'/'fanboy', which is ridiculous. I was hardly the first person to bring up any of the points I listed. Battery life, issues with the 3D, cartridges, have all been brought up before. It's not like I posted something like, "The 3DS is going to blow, because as a whole Nintendo has been pumping out the same shit for the last decade and they are overdue for a fall." You might have interpreted my post like that, but that's not at all what I was saying. Looking at things from an unbiased point of view is important before acting on the urge to attack somebody. Their intent might be misread by somebody who has a strong emotional attachment to a game or device, and can't separate their feelings from honest criticism.
And, that's the whole reason for this thread, is to discuss somebody's honest criticism of a new gaming device. It's not like myself (or Amirox, etc.) are going into the Dead Space 2 OT and just crapping on the game, its developers, its fans, etc...
Amir0x said:are you seriously trying to convince me that my apprehension will change if they add a new mini-game or Poes to catch? Come on. I've always maintained I only want it if they add SUBSTANTIAL new content, which is a dungeon or something like that. I don't play Zelda for mini-games or outfits, no offense to those who do
It's simply a low effort all around, which is fine. Like some said, there are a few who haven't played Ocarina of Time. It's just not for me, I've played it like 30 times and have no desire to play it again right now.
oh man it would be so amazing. Wind Waker with two or three more dungeons. I think depending on the quality of the dungeons, it might catapult Wind Waker to BEST 3D ZELDA EVER status.
I dont play Zelda games for the mini games or the poe either but it WOULD be new additional content. If "new dungeon" is the only thing that is considered Substantial by you and is the only thing that would get you to buy the game, then by all means, pass on the game. I'm sure Nintendo will care.
Boney said:
In terms of style, that's true, although the levels are all different from the console versions.
DKL has an assortment of unique levels, with styles both culled from DKC (jungle, caves, temples etc.) and original designs (construction site, sky, cliffside, and a few others).
DKL 2 has the same world and level names and styles as its console counterpart (cut down a bit), although the actual level design is different.
DKL 3 has the same level styles as DKC 3, although its world and level design is likewise different from the console game.
The GBC port of DKC is just a cut-down SNES port with the same levels, and just adds a few minigames and minor collectibles to the core game.
plagiarize said:
Good thing I was speculating about a remake and not a sequel.
Amir0x said:
Definitely, it would be the best 3D Zelda. In additions to dungeons it would be nice if they added exploration of Hyrule under the ocean, learning more about the back story etc. Also an even longer and more difficult boss battle with Ganondorf.
Saint Gregory
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Should I go back and read the last few pages of the thread to see what I missed or not?
Even without the extra dungeons it was already that for me. The last half hour of that game will never be matched by the last half hour of any other IMHO.Amir0x said:
boiled goose
good with gravy
no one has bothered discussing this yet:
What would make the 3ds a failure?
Selling less than the DS?
Selling less than the PSP?
Was the PSP a failure? (even though the DS easily beat it the PSP sold more than the SNES)
What would make the 3ds a failure?
Selling less than the DS?
Selling less than the PSP?
Was the PSP a failure? (even though the DS easily beat it the PSP sold more than the SNES)
plagiarize
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erm, nope. i didn't call Kobun a fanboy.Cheech said:
you posted something worse than that:
'dangerous for children' is not honest criticism. 'Sure, you can turn the 3D off, which then leaves you to playing Ocarina of Time exactly as it was in 1998.' is not honest criticism.
when i see a list of cricitisms that include things which are factually incorrect, or which state as fact something which a number of experts think might be possible (and other experts think is absolutely not true) you've given me no reason to think that you yourself don't have strong emotional attachments one way or another.
if your list of 'facts' was that, a list of facts, myself and many others would have responded to you very differently.
you wrote an unbalanced comparison, which is exactly the sort of thing fanboys do. you were called on it. maybe next time you'll get your facts straight.
Bizzyb said:
Bizzyb, it's honestly cool if it doesn't matter to you. Genuinely. But I've never played a single Zelda game for mini-games or poe hunting and I never will. No matter how much superfluous crap they add, if it's not related to what makes Zelda great, it's not something of interest to me. Mini-game and poe hunting is not something that strikes me as, uh, essential to the Zelda formula. And I'd say that even if I didn't hate mini-games in all its forms already
plagiarize said:
Nintendo itself tells you that young children should not be playing this device AT ALL. Not even "with parental supervision". If it's not dangerous for young children to be playing a 3DS, why would Nintendo say that? They want to intentionally short sales of this device? Give me a break.
plagiarize said:
Sure it is. I wrote that in response to the oft-repeated suggestion that you simply "turn the 3D off if it bothers you, or if you want a better battery life". This is as stupid as saying, "well, if you don't feel like getting off your fat ass, you can simply play Kinect Sports with a controller". It completely defeats the purpose of spending $250, and another $30-$40 on yet another version of OoT. I might as well fire up the copy I have on my Gamecube and get a better experience!
plagiarize said:
I said nothing that was "factually incorrect". It was a list of opinions, that I supported. I am not emotionally invested in gaming hardware.
amtentori said:
The last question is the easiest to answer. the PSP was a success for Sony because it did what other companies had tried and failed to do, gain a sustainable toe-hold into the handheld market with a product that actually had relatively strong penetration and played well on a popular brand name.
In terms of the broad market though I don't think it actually changed the dynamic all that much, Nintendo reacted to it more strongly than they did to past competitors, such as Sega with the Game Gear, but ultimately they still went on to have their most successful handheld ever. To me that suggests that either the DS would have been even more dominant without the PSP or that the PSP had a negligible impact on the DS, that it was a non-factor against Nintendo's behemoth, which would make it a failure relative to what they wanted to accomplish against their competition.
As for the 3DS's metric for success or failure - I think in part it depends on how long the 3DS's life cycle is. The DS for example could probably squeeze a couple more very healthy years out if the 3DS wasn't coming (though it will still sell as some consumers are unwilling to upgrade to the 3DS until the price comes down, sort of a PS2-like affect the first couple years of PS3's life cycle).
I think Nintendo's pricing strategy is also very key. Rather than dropping the price of the DS much at all as has been common practice historically with consoles and handhelds alike Nintendo consistently was willing to release new iterations of the DS and actually RAISE the price from the launch price. I don't think it's controversial to believe the DS would have sold even more successfully if Nintendo opted for price cuts over hardware revisions, and I'll be interested to see how this plays out when the DS's price does go down.
With the 3DS, considering the very high starting price point I disagree with Pachter's analysis. I think the price might remain "sticky" for a bit longer than it took, say, the DSL to come out, but when a hardware revision does come I expect a price drop, rather than an increase. I also expect hardware sales to remain at Wii-launch levels essentially 2011. What's the ceiling? I don't know, I think it depends on how easy it is to crank out the screen, maybe I'm overestimating the difficulty, but I would guess since that's the newest tech it's going to be the limiting factor in production speed.
There are a lot of variables but I think ultimately the 3DS has more room to drop the price and Nintendo should be more willing to actually drop that price, so I would guess it has the potential to outstrip the DS's sales and appeal to more consumers faster.
EmCeeGramr
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Cheech said:
Zelda 3DS is a graphically updated remake with widescreen.
zoukka said:
Fixed. PSP IMO was a massive success in terms of moving hardware, and a massive disappointment software wise in both sales and library. Overall it made Sony money so I wouldnt call it a failure ever. Profit is profit. At worst, aspects of it can be called disappointing, but a failure it is not, on any front.