Wii can display in 50hz while WiiU can't apparently so really the VC games are really the straighest port you'll ever get short of getting the original console and stuff I'd guess.
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Nintendo are still releasing 50Hz games on PAL Wii U VC - Why?
- Thread starter CrunchinJelly
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Wii can display in 50hz while WiiU can't apparently so really the VC games are really the straighest port you'll ever get short of getting the original console and stuff I'd guess.
To be fair PS1 games can be played as is on ps3s so they really provide the same product only digital.
For PS2 they could provide the emulator for us who have the discs but the games aren't available.
That's shitty of them.
SGRU
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I'm pretty sure 90% of the VC buyers have no idea / don't care about that problem.
Kontergurke
Member
I see.
I was wondering how the French translations turned out as I can't really judge them. Seems like it was a German thing only.
It's still strange that everyone else in Europe has to suffer, just so Germany and France can get their translations.
Though the 10% that care are actually somewhat dedicated and probably spend more on average.
Did you get the German Kirby version on WiiU VC? When I downloaded it, I got the English version (from the German store). At first I thought, maybe they finally give you the version that corresponds to your system language (since I set my console to English), but I haven't seen anyone on Miiverse with a German screenshot.
SGRU
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Sure, but if they just let us buy games from other regions... I would buy a ton of games for the PSX, only if I could buy the US version... The same goes for the PS2.
And no, to me is not an option to have a US PSN account.
I find that rather funny myself but really not such a big deal, Kirby is surprisingly weird in its current form.
The NES game always felt off to me though.
Super Metroid I never had any problem so I guess it could get better but not something I find myself caring.
I mean better that than nothing like Yoshi's Island.
Totally agreed.
The solution they have is shitty and a little insulting if you ask me.
As a result PSX games are out of the question for me.
Might as well get one on the cheap and play it that way.
For ps2 only getting through psn is downright the worse you can do
KennyLinder
Member
Please understand.
Davey Cakes
Member
Just drop a Miiverse bomb when Super Metroid comes out.
Kontergurke
Member
Ah, no I didn't download it (because I own the original cartridge already).
I just assumed they would do it like on the Wii VC (depending on what country you set, you could download English/French/German versions of games that had been translated previously).
Can anyone confirm if Kirby's Adventure has French or German text on Wii U?
SGRU
Member
It's the same situation as on buggy games, always on-line, and so on. There are a few enthusiasts that complain in forums like this, but the vast mayority of the sales comes from people that just don't care.
Kirby WiiU is french that I can attest, I don't know if I can change the language though, I didn't see any difference from the Wii VC version.
The funny thing is that you can never know if it's actually 50Hz or 60Hz. You might end up with a turd if you fail to check it from the press release. Which rationally shouldn't be so.
It will be a lot more expensive atfer that. It's just one of the -countless- things Nintendo is fucking up.
Kontergurke
Member
So what are you saying? We should only start complaining when the price goes up to normal?
They are doing something many people are upset about, and price isn't really a factor.
That comparison is invalid because it only applies to games that weren't originally optimized for 50hz. The EU version of Super Metroid runs at the same speed as the NA version, it's just not as smooth.
It's explicitly stated in the store's description.
JustAnotherOtaku
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Doesn't matter if it's 1p. You vote with your wallet.
Kontergurke
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Well, I can't speak for the Wii U version, but the "normal" PAL version definitely runs a little slower than its NTSC counterpart.
That's why on speeddemosarchive.com there are two different categories for Super Metroid speedruns, "normal" and "European", because the times are not comparable.
The difference is just way smaller than with Balloon Fight.
And that's why this is a repeated problem. People buy this shit sending the signal that 50hz is acceptable. Nintendo gonna Nintendo.
Press release/at the bottom of store's description. It's not like they're making it clear that "hey this version actually isn't all that 60Hz" but it's rather buried there.
Neff
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It probably means they'll stretch it a bit, but it still won't be accurate, as was the case with Balloon Fight and Kirby.
I'm hoping it will disappear like Balloon Fight did, then return with a 60hz version.
Honestly, shit like this is what's gonna make people hope for a hackable Wii U. That's becoming the ugly reality of this PAL-compromised VC.
Nintendo are fucking idiots.
nintendo... lets see if i am clear... i am spanish and i am ONLY going to buy a specific VC game if the game that you are giving me its equal to the japanese one FRAME BY FRAME with the SAME gameplay. Before thinking if you are going to give me the game in spanish, english or even in the original japanese, think about how you are going to give me a game that plays the SAME as the japanese one. And yes, giving me the original japanese game is an option but giving me a spanish/english game with NOT THE SAME GAMEPLAY is not an option. I would buy hunderds of games in the future... nintendo...
I was more joking that Nintendo would make a 50Hz version just for Europe
Isn't that what SEGA did with their Hanabi festival import games on the Wii VC? Or am I mistaken?
Bidermaier
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I made a little image to better picture what's going on with optimised PAL games, both then and now. It's slightly more technical than this, but this is the basic gist.
In the top row we see the original American release, displaying frames 1 to 20 perfectly.
The second row shows the original PAL SNES release. To get it matching the same speed, they just drop every 5th frame. It's not really all that noticable because the raw output of the SNES is 50hz. There's nothing to account for. It looks okay and plays okay.
The third row is what happens when we take an optimised 50hz game and play it on the Wii U. Because the Wii U can only output at 60hz, this means a 50hz source has to repeat a frame every so often. But because the optimisation already dropped a frame, and now we're repeating one to make up for the hz difference between source and output, we get the effect people are calling "janky". I love the term to describe it.
You can see, the 4th frame is now displayed twice, then the next frame is America's frame 6. If we had the US ROM, we'd just go 4 -> 5 -> 6, but the U "breaks" these optimised games and we're forced to live with 4 -> 4 -> 6. Even without playing, you can imagine this is not ideal..
I bought NES pacman and sometimes I feel a lack of precision when turning. I wonder if that is the reason.
I sold my wii because I was annoyed with games running at 50 Hz and most importantly... with Nintendo attitude.
But it's valid for Balloon Fight, no?
Hanabi Sega Mega Drive games were indeed altered to run at 50 Hz.
CrunchinJelly
formerly cjelly
If it doesn't say it's the US version in the description then assume the worst.
SGRU
Member
Just to make it clear... I don't support Nintendo on this. I think all the games in the VC should come in the form of the best version available, and that's not the PAL version.
Yep, all the games should be 60hz by now. Though i would like to choose, maybe. I found Mario World harder than usual since i'm used to 50hz. I kept running off of platforms instead of jumping at the last moment.
Eurogamer gave it a very fair 8/10 and weren't overly hyperbolic on it. Feel free to accuse sites like Polygon or Gamespot of this kind of thing, but i really don't think EG have been guilty of it.
Eurogamer gave it a very fair 8/10 and weren't overly hyperbolic on it. Feel free to accuse sites like Polygon or Gamespot of this kind of thing, but i really don't think EG have been guilty of it.
Neff
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Unsurprisingly, this is already happening.
Yeah, I bought the cartridge at a charity shop and first though someone had left the subs on. Went to the option and found I could only change the language. And the intro in the only time another language other than English appears. Once you're in game all text is in English. Basically releasing it in 70Hz wouldn't affect anyone.
Dead Man Typing
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Just did a lot of "yeah"'ing in the Super Mario World Miiverse. I can't believe we're going through this again.
Wont buy, just like I didn't buy Kirby for 30p and I wouldn't have bought balloon fight if I'd known it was 50hz before i'd purchased it.
Playing SMW and F-zero in 60hz on the gamepad is just too good to accept 50hz virtual console games in 2013.
Wont buy, just like I didn't buy Kirby for 30p and I wouldn't have bought balloon fight if I'd known it was 50hz before i'd purchased it.
Playing SMW and F-zero in 60hz on the gamepad is just too good to accept 50hz virtual console games in 2013.
Kontergurke
Member
Oh, I love this argument. What's the price a game must have that we are allowed to voice our concerns? Should we wait a month when the game's back at 8 € or is that still too cheap to complain?
sakipon
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Nintendo went out of their way to respond to fan cries and managed to release several 60Hz games. By not purchasing them you really aren't helping the cause.
Are there plenty of 60Hz complainers who actually do not own any VC games or plan to buy them? Why should companies listen to non-customers?
That would be quite the surprise twist.
Most of the people complaining in the Super Mario World Miiverse seem to own that game so it seems so.
I bought FZero and Punch-Out. Gee I wonder what they have in common.
Zeouterlimits
Member
Isn't that just a temporary offer?
iamaustrian
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not to defend nintendo's decision but I totaly understand they release translated games in 50Hz.
Imagine the outcry on Miiverse if they release an english 60hz version of Zelda - link to the past on the german eshop.
not everyone(kids, etc) knows english, you know.
Metroid is pretty story-driven. to understand this story is important (IMO)
Imagine the outcry on Miiverse if they release an english 60hz version of Zelda - link to the past on the german eshop.
not everyone(kids, etc) knows english, you know.
Metroid is pretty story-driven. to understand this story is important (IMO)
FrozenCell
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because this service is ought to offer experience superior to roms that have been available on the net for 15 years, not charge you for googling and repackaging them for you
CrunchinJelly
formerly cjelly
Release 60Hz version labelled as English.
Release 50Hz version labelled as German.
It's that easy.
They add a few lines to the intro and that's it. It's not even a full translation. In English you have a full screen of tiny letters. In German you have two lines of massive characters. The rest of the game is just in English. It was a pretty pointless translation and most of that intro can be covered in the manual (like old games used to do).
Kontergurke
Member
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I agree with Zelda, they have to release the translated versions for France and Germany.
But why do UK and other European gamers have to play the slowed down English PAL version and why can't Germans and French players choose to download the English (NTSC) version instead?
Also, Super Metroid is not story-driven. All the story is in the intro, and you could put that into the manual for those who care (like they did with 1 and 2) and that's that. I mean really, without exaggerating, the whole German intro of Super Metroid consists of 7 sentences. Seven! Count them! Are you really telling me that those had to be in the game?
I wholeheartedly agree.
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