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Galaxy and Prime 3 wouldn't even function properly without pointer controls. Who the hell would want to use dual analog for SMG to control the Luma/star icon?

I don't want to use dual analog for anything until they can figure out a way to keep my thumb on the buttons as well as the stick. I'm hoping using a nub and putting it above the face buttons fixes it with the Wii-U controller, since it worked well woth the d-pad for Mh3. In fact, I have the same aversion to dual analog that the OP has to the Wiimote, so I guess I can sort of relate to what he's saying.

 

[theBishop]

Nintendo broke my heart during the N64 era... (outside of Mario and Zelda everything else was a pile of plastic dog shit - I don't care if you were 8 years old and nostalgic for that crap era).. this gen has been much better.

The Wii hasn't been the best era of Nintendo... but I got a bunh of new Nintendo classics (Galaxy 1+2), I got a bunch of awesome third party wierdness (No More Heroes 2, Muramasa), I even got a bunch of real RPGs (*glances spitefully at NoA AND the N64 I have in storage*)

I agree Nintendo's decline began in the N64 generation, but it was still a good console. It was arguably the best console of all time for split-screen gaming. And it was the last period of Rare in their prime. Golden Eye, Perfect Dark, Jet Force Gemini, Banjo Kazooie, Conker's Bad Fur Day... that's more original publishing from one developer than Nintendo's entire Wii output.

 

[Kyzer]

Everyone likes Nintendo still, but I dont like them anymore. In fact I barely like video games at all. Like. If I get a PS3 it will be only for Madden. Does anyone else feel this way?

Note: The people who dont agree with my feelings toward the Wii is because they like to play with their mom and dad.

There, I decoded your post for you.

My response:

I dont care. Why is this a thread?

 

[Reuenthal]

It's not a stereotype. One obvious indicator is the lack of original first party development this generation. Don't get me wrong, compared to anything else, Gamcube had a lackluster lineup, in my opinion. But Nintendo still pursued original, core-focused, high production properties like Eternal Darkness, Pikmin, Geist, and I'll even grant them Metroid Prime. Nintendo hasn't published a single original Wii game comparable to Eternal Darkness.

There have been a few original Wii games, but they aren't seeing global release. That's not a "stereotype", that's a clear signal to anyone paying attention.

There are less new IP but no less great first party 'core focused' games. At least in any way that would make the one console lackluster and the other great. And in terms of IP, we have seen some IP we hadn't seen for a long time like Sin and Punishment. And there was a new Wario Land game as well.

I guess the complaint over localizations is valid. But Xenoblade (seems to count as a first party title) seems a pretty groundbreaking title and a new IP and the Wii library has it's share of great third party games.

 

[Valnen]

Never going to forgive them for not giving me The Last Story. Not in a million years.

That was the one game I would have bought for my Wii in recent times.

 

[theBishop]

That's bullshit. The production values of Disaster are no less than those of Geist. And what about Xenoblade Chronicles, The Last Story or Pandora's Tower? Or even some other franchises such as Another Code?

See Point #2.

 

[bgassassin]

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[farnham]

Wind Waker > Twilight Princess

very debatable. WW has more style but TP has more substance

MP1 > MP2 > MP3

While I generally agree that MP1 is the best game in the series, I personally dont think MP2 is better then MP3. MP2 is too complicated for its own good and has a very frustrating game ending bug (in the sanctuary fortress, the best part of the game). Pacing is all over the place especially in torvus bog. MP3 is a very streamlined experience which is true to the MP1 format but had refined controls, better combat and a more logical structure then 2

also overall id say Triology is the best in the series as it lets you play Mp1 and 2 with superior controls

also you forgot Other M. which is a very fresh high quality entry in the series. i wouldnt rate it as high as MP1 or 2 but its a very good game nonetheless

Thousand Year Door > Super Paper Mario

not even comparable. graphically they are similar but SPM is a JRPG with heavy platforming while Thousand Year Door is just a straight up RPG

Animal Crossing > City Folk

Animal Crossing GC is just a port of the N64 game while City Folk did bring in some new elements at least

Pikmin 1&2 > All other first party Wii games

Pikmin 1 and 2 NPC >> Pikmin 1 and 2

the wii controls really give a new perspective on this game. too bad Pikmin 3 never materialized


outside of that you completely ignored

Mario Kart Wii >>>> Mario Kart Double Dash (online alone prettymuch guarantees that)
Super Mario Galaxy, Super Mario Galaxy 2, Super Mario Bros Wii > Mario Sunshine (love sunshine but all three games edge out the offering of just one game)
Kirby Epic Yarn >> Kirby Airride (no contest)
Donkey Kong Country Returns >> Donkey Kong Jungle Beat (Loved Junglebeat but Returns has more substance)
Xenoblade >>>> Baten Kaitos 1 and 2 (loved BK but xenoblade is just so much better then anything jrpg related this gen )
Fire Emblem Radiant Dawn > Fire Emblem Path of Radiance
Brawl > Meelee (i know that many people prefer meelee but personally the sheer number of great characters make brawl a definate for me)
Batallion Wars 2> Batallion Wars 1 (better controls)
Mario Strikers Wii > Mario Strikers GC
Wii Tennis, Golf > Mario Tennis, Golf (Mario Tennis and Golf certainly have more content. But the controls of Tennis and Golf of Wii Sports are just much more enjoyable)
Sin and Punishment 2, Endless Ocean 1 and 2, Punchout, Excite Truck, Excite Bike, Last Story, Tower of Pandora have no equivalent on GC
Odama, Fzero, have no equivalent on Wii (sadly)

 

[farnham]

Never going to forgive them for not giving me The Last Story. Not in a million years.

That was the one game I would have bought for my Wii in recent times.

import the european game ? i imported the japanese version and it was the best JRPG i played in years.

 

[Icanplaythat]

Gran Turismo 3&4 >>>>>>>>>>>>> GT5

FF10&12 >>>>>>>>>> FF3

GOW1&2 >>>>>>>>>> GOW3

MGS3 >>>>>>>>>>>> MGS4

Vice City/San Andreas >>>>>>>>>>> GTA4

Silent Hill 2 & 3 >>>>>> Homecoming

Soul Calibur 2&3 >>>>> Soul Calibur 4

Devil May Cry 3 >>>>> Devil May Cry 4

Resident Evil 4 >>>>>> Resident Evil 5

etc, etc, etc, etc....

Oh no, PS360 falls short of last-gen too!!!
Yeah, this stuff is so easy to pull off.

From that liZt, I only played the GTA games and Silent Hill 2.

GTA 4 > GTA 3 >>>>>>>> Vice City >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> San Andreas

Silent Hill 2 > Silent Hill 1 > All other SH games

This is fun.

 

[Coxy]

listwarzzzzzzzzz

I uh, I don't think Capcom are exactly the company you want to equate with if you're arguing about not breaking hearts

 

[Valnen]

import the european game ? i imported the japanese version and it was the best JRPG i played in years.

Don't have a modded wii, and it's probably impossible since my wii has the latest firmware.

And I'm not going to important a European wii just to play 1 game.

 

[Icanplaythat]

There, I decoded your post for you.

My response:

I dont care. Why is this a thread?

Cool, can you PM me the cipher.

 

[theBishop]

There are less new IP but no less great first party 'core focused' games. At least in any way that would make the one console lackluster and the other great.

I guess the complaint over localizations is valid. But Xenoblade (seems to count as a first party title) seems a pretty groundbreaking title and a new IP.

I never said Gamecube is great. Honestly I think it's one of the worst "successful" (no point in talking about Jaguar/Neogeo/Saturn/etc) consoles of all time. But i'd still take that lineup over Wii any day of the week.

 

[Barrow Roll]

The Wii served it's purpose.

 

[Shiggy]

See Point #2.

Just because NoA doesn't release them, it doesn't mean that Nintendo as a whole failed with the Wii. If you want to make a point, just directly point towards the situation in the US and talk about NoA.
Generally saying that Nintendo has failed with new and original productions on Wii is a blatant lie.

 

[Codeblue]

Don't have a modded wii, and it's probably impossible since my wii has the latest firmware.

And I'm not going to important a European wii just to play 1 game.

Pretty sure its still possible.

 

[Orayn]

Don't have a modded wii, and it's probably impossible since my wii has the latest firmware.

And I'm not going to important a European wii just to play 1 game.

All Wiis are moddable, AFAIK. I'd check the GAF Wii modding thread for details.

 

[MYE]

I uh, I don't think Capcom are exactly the company you want to equate with if you're arguing about not breaking hearts

My point was that making lists like this is easy if your intent is to disregard one or multiple libraries. It is however, a rather weak and pointless way to do it.

 

[Boney]

Woops I guess this thread is over now.

OP if you're interested, Technomancer made a thread about worthwhile Wii games, you can ask there or here I don't care if there's heavy emphasis on motion, pointer or whatever.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=396775

 

[manueldelalas]

I couldn't disagree more with you.

First of all, Nintendo really showed balls this generation, betting everything on a new type of gaming interface, and it payed off. The console has had a usual console life, and the release of it's successor will put in serious trouble their competitors (to release a new console that will play games of "comparable" graphics than current consoles, with no innovation in other areas, or wait and see, and let their biggest threat run alone).

The Wii is a console that has received far more interesting games than the GCN, for instance, even Nintendo's output has been much, much better.

The things I love about the Wii:
- The controller (yes, I started with Wii Motion +). So much win on this, separated hands is far superior and gives you a lot of freedom, IR pointer helps a lot in many more games than I would have imagined, and I also love the fact that many games have the controls simplified, but retaining the level of control.

- The games, seriously, the Wii's library rocks!, far better than the library the GCN had, much more exclusives and third party support.

- Wii Motion +, it is awesome, Wii Sports Resort is awesome, and I can't wait to play the new Zelda, that game will change everything, being the first 1st party single game with high budget (WSR is awesome and Flingsmash sucked (lol, artoon)).

- Fucking Xenoblade, one of the best RPGs ever IMO (although I've "only" played 10 hours), puts every other RPG released this generation to shame, and shows us what a real "next gen" RPG should play.

Yes, I miss a good Super Monkey Ball, and a super cool F-Zero, but then, I can already play those on the console, just buy the GCN versions. I think there was no reason for a new F-Zero on the console, like there was no really need for a new Smash Bros game, because it would have only been a graphical upgrade. MK on the other hand, deserved a game, because DD was very different.

Things I don't like:
- Too many games with shoved in motion controls (AKA waggle).
- Original controller's lackluster motion sensing.
- Many ports with "ported" controls. That sucks, it is generally a bad move, and you will receive inferior controls. Mapping buttons to waggle sucks, at least give the option to use CC...

Overall, the best Nintendo home console ever, their best output in games, BY FAR, and it was a real stroke of genius.

Also this thread should remind gamers that you don't have to buy and play every game in existence, just buy the games that will suit your tastes, the Wii's library is enormous and has a lot of options for everyone.

 

[farnham]

Don't have a modded wii, and it's probably impossible since my wii has the latest firmware.

And I'm not going to important a European wii just to play 1 game.

i believe you can softmod even with the latest firmware

 

[rpmurphy]

There, I decoded your post for you.

My response:

I dont care. Why is this a thread?

Lol.

Honestly, out of all the publishers that I care about, only Nintendo has gone upwards for me this generation. Capcom, Namco, Konami, Microsoft, have all disappointed me, and Square-Enix being neutral.

 

[Icanplaythat]

outside of that you completely ignored

Mario Kart Wii >>>> Mario Kart Double Dash (online alone prettymuch guarantees that)
Super Mario Galaxy, Super Mario Galaxy 2, Super Mario Bros Wii > Mario Sunshine (love sunshine but all three games edge out the offering of just one game)
Kirby Epic Yarn >> Kirby Airride (no contest)
Donkey Kong Country Returns >> Donkey Kong Jungle Beat (Loved Junglebeat but Returns has more substance)
Xenoblade >>>> Baten Kaitos 1 and 2 (loved BK but xenoblade is just so much better then anything jrpg related this gen )
Fire Emblem Radiant Dawn > Fire Emblem Path of Radiance
Brawl > Meelee (i know that many people prefer meelee but personally the sheer number of great characters make brawl a definate for me)
Batallion Wars 2> Batallion Wars 1 (better controls)
Mario Strikers Wii > Mario Strikers GC
Wii Tennis, Golf > Mario Tennis, Golf (Mario Tennis and Golf certainly have more content. But the controls of Tennis and Golf of Wii Sports are just much more enjoyable)
Sin and Punishment 2, Endless Ocean 1 and 2, Punchout, Excite Truck, Excite Bike, Last Story, Tower of Pandora have no equivalent on GC
Odama, Fzero, have no equivalent on Wii (sadly)

Of those games I only played FZ:GX and I hated it.

 

[Kyzer]

The only time Nintendo broke my heart was that E3 where they showed Animal Crossing for the hardcore gamers.

You should get acquainted with the Blue Ocean strategy in full, bro. The idea is to expand gaming by simplifying it, which will make it a better market, which will benefit everyone. And while they talk about making games that are fair for both hardcore and casuals, in reality theyre slowly getting them acclimated to real gaming. A la hint videos and simplified control schemes.

I personally think the Wii is one of the most comfortable control methods in gaming. No, I'm not a fan of waggle, though.

 

[theBishop]

Just because NoA doesn't release them, it doesn't mean that Nintendo as a whole failed with the Wii. If you want to make a point, just directly point towards the situation in the US and talk about NoA.
Generally saying that Nintendo has failed with new and original productions on Wii is a blatant lie.

Nope, not going to do that. If Sony or Microsoft only published their most interesting titles in Japan, I'd shit on them even harder than Nintendo. I don't draw a distinction between SCEA and SCEJ for the purposes of publishing strategy, and I see no reason to do it for Nintendo.

 

[Reuenthal]

I never said Gamecube is great. Honestly I think it's one of the worst "successful" (no point in talking about Jaguar/Neogeo/Saturn/etc) consoles of all time. But i'd still take that lineup over Wii any day of the week.

How so? To not repeat what already has been said I mostly agree with farham's above post. Wii's library is richer but not much so, they are mostly even and I can see someone arguing against my richer comment so mostly even. I also wonder what is your view on the N64. I am anticipating another among worst successful consoles title. Because it makes sense for one to not have wildly different views about either three when you compare their gaming libraries.

My view is positive on all three but I also find the PS1, PS2, PS3/Xbox 360 to have superior gaming libraries. So it is all relative, I just don't see either three at being "worst" just not as good as some othe consoles despite being very good and having pretty good gaming libraries with several great games. They lose mostly against superior quantity and variety than having games of low quality.

However In terms of first party games, Nintendo is really as good as it gets, although Sony is also pretty good with their first party and sometimes second party studios.

 

[rpmurphy]

Of those games I only played FZ:GX and I hated it.

What games do you play?

 

[farnham]

Of those games I only played FZ:GX and I hated it.

well i believe i dont even need to be arguing with you then

 

[Icanplaythat]

What games do you play?

Mostly PC, I have 160 hours in Borderlands and 740 hours in Audiosurf. Those are just the ones off the top of my head, I think Audiosurf is my longest. ME 1&2, Bioshock 1&2, all Half-Life's, Portals, Crysis 1&2, All COD's, Batman, Company of Heroes, Fallout(s), The Witcher 1&2, Sins of a Solar Empire. You know, games.

 

[JJConrad]

.

 

[hertog]

Only thing nintendo ever did for me was making zelda OoT, having awesome wrestling games on the N64 and REmake on the cube.

 

[rpmurphy]

Mostly PC.

I mean for the Gamecube.

 

[theBishop]

How so? To not repeat what already has been said I mostly agree with farham's above post. Wii's library is richer. I also wonder what is your view on the N64. I am anticipating worst successful console title.

I already talked about it earlier in this thread. It was a fine system. Not my favorite, but far from the worst. I know there's differences of taste and all that, but I really think the differences between N64 vs Gamecube/Wii transcend taste. N64 had a strong lineup of some of the best classic properties of all time, and some very strong original properties. Even though N64 "lost" to PSone, I still like it better for a lot of reasons.

 

[Jive Turkey]

Of those games I only played FZ:GX and I hated it.

OK now this thread has become "Nintendo fan: 'I hate Nintendo games!'"

 

[Alrus]

Don't have a modded wii, and it's probably impossible since my wii has the latest firmware.

The recent letterbomb hack allows you to mod your wii in about 5 min no matter the firmware.

 

[Shiggy]

Nope, not going to do that. If Sony or Microsoft only published their most interesting titles in Japan, I'd shit on them even harder than Nintendo. I don't draw a distinction between SCEA and SCEJ for the purposes of publishing strategy, and I see no reason to do it for Nintendo.

Yeah, I see, you just want to say that the Wii lineup is really bad. That's your point?

One obvious indicator is the lack of original first party development this generation.

Your argumentation just fails here. You either want to say that the Wii lineup does not have big first party productions or you want to say that they are not released in the US.
I do not want to defend Nintendo's localisation strategy, but it's just crap saying that they don't have any new original productions like Eternal Darkness, when Xenoblade Chronicles was just released. And most of the titles are actually released by NoE, so a English release is available.

 

[revolverjgw]

Who the hell would want to use dual analog for SMG to control the Luma/star icon?

I don't even know why that mechanic exists. It's utterly pointless for 99.9% of the duration of the game. The only time I'm ever reminded it's there is when I'm forced to feed a star. Then it's like, oh yeah, I can aim at things.

I'd definitely prefer a modified SMG with the pointer fluff taken out, and a button assigned for spin. Not that it isn't the best game ever, regardless. But I'd enjoy even more with a controller.

 

[RedRedSuit]

GTA 4 > GTA 3 >>>>>>>> Vice City >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> San Andreas

Die in a fire.

Thanks.

 

[Sophia]

I just wish Nintendo would stop shoehorning motion controls in where they don't belong.

Thank you Homebrew community for the DKCR Classic Controller hack!

 

[SilverLunar]

Nintendo broke my heart when they didn't release Fire Emblem 12 in English :'(

 

[[Nintex]]

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I suggest a name change to Icantplaythat

 

[Drkirby]

Of those games I only played FZ:GX and I hated it.

I guess in the end you can't play that.

But really, it is a bit hard to say "Nintendo makes the bad games", then someone lists 20 big name good games on the past decade, and you say "I only played one of those"

Kirby Epic Yarn >> Kirby Airride (no contest)

Hey! For one, your are comparing a platformer to a racer, and two, YOUR WRONG ANYWAY! Air Ride is a great party racing game (Not single player, party. Single Player it is more or less useless), Epic Yarn was a dull platformer that just had nice graphics and music.

 

[rpmurphy]

I don't even know why that mechanic exists. It's utterly pointless for 99.9% of the duration of the game. The only time I'm ever reminded it's there is when I'm forced to feed a star. Then it's like, oh yeah, I can aim at things.

I'd definitely prefer a modified SMG with the pointer fluff taken out, and a button assigned for spin. Not that it isn't the best game ever, regardless. But I'd enjoy even more with a controller.

You forgot that 2nd player's only control method is the pointer.

 

[Momo]

 

[Sullichin]

I play Wii games from like 3 feet away, including MP3...
You don't need an entire room.

Also, define "hardcore gamers" please.

Do I really have to? Nintendo's first party games are great, they are just so few and far between. I look at the lineup for every other system this fall and I realize I don't even have enough time to play all of these AAA games coming out. I look at Wii's lineup, and as a 23 year old gamer the only one I care about is Zelda.

Also, I had nothing but frustration trying to play MP3 at my desk. I'd honestly rather it have MP1/2 controls. I know i'm the minority on that though.

 

[Tagg9]

Ironically enough, the Wii got me into Nintendo games. Before the Wii, I had only owned Sony consoles. I didn't get a PS3 because of the initially high pricepoint, and the Wii had plenty of great games in the first few years to keep me entertained.

Having said that, I haven't played Wii much since December (DKCR).

 

[Icanplaythat]

I guess in the end you can't play that.

But really, it is a bit hard to say "Nintendo makes the bad games", then someone lists 20 big name good games on the past decade, and you say "I only played one of those"

I defy you to quote me saying Nintendo software/games are bad. I will Paypal you monies.

 

[Himself]

So over Nintendo. I'll probably pick up a WiiU toward the end of the lifespan like I did with the Wii and enjoy the 10 or so games that interest me. 3DS doesn't exist for me.

 

[theBishop]

Yeah, I see, you just want to say that the Wii lineup is really bad. That's your point?

Your argumentation just fails here. You either want to say that the Wii lineup does not have big first party productions or you want to say that they are not released in the US.
I do not want to defend Nintendo's localisation strategy, but it's just crap saying that they don't have any new original productions like Eternal Darkness, when Xenoblade Chronicles was just released. And most of the titles are actually released by NoE, so a English release is available.

I don't care that much to be honest. The last thing I'd expect to be accused of is "Gamecube Defender". Compared to NES/SNES/N64, they're both really sad systems in my opinion.

And yes, it does seem like a pretty obvious shift that Nintendo published Eternal Darkness globally and not Xenoblade. Especially when, as you said, an English version exists.

Also, if you love games like Xenoblade, how you can you defend 2011's Nintendo when there are so many more games *like* (deep, original, core-centric) Xenoblade on other systems.