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[Gravijah]

Fuck off asshole.

Totally read this in an Arnold Schwarzenegger voice.

 

[AceBandage]

I choose to believe that people just act this way on message boards, and when you really dig down, they don't actually care so much.

But I only chose to believe that because if I didn't, what little faith I have left in humanity would be wiped away in an instant.

I choose to believe they are serious and get a good laugh out of their ignorance, myself.

 

[MatthewB92]

Fuck off asshole.

I was waiting for this post for 3 pages. Now I can stop lurking this thread.

 

[Acquiescence]

Illustrates Alberto's point beautifully. There are so many games worth playing for the Wii that so many people choose to ignore due to some arbitrary objecgion to flicking their wrists or even sub-HD graphics. Confuses the hell out of me.

I've always loved Nintendo games, and as far as I'm concerned, they've delivered in is gen at least as much as in any other. Give me that Skyward Sword all over my face and in my pants.

Where did I mention that I abhor waggle controls and sub-HD graphics? I didn't, so don't make assumptions. I dislike the console because of its catalogue of games. That's what it all boils down to in the end for me. And so many of them on the Wii have left me cold and unsatisfied.

 

[Gravijah]

Where did I mention that I abhor waggle controls and sub-HD graphics? I didn't, so don't make assumptions. I dislike the console because of its catalogue of games. That's what it all boils down to in the end for me. And so many of them on the Wii have left me cold and unsatisfied.

Personally, I can't think of a single console without a few games that I absolutely must play, thus requiring me to own it and enjoy it.

 

[Boney]

Personally, I can't think of a single console without a few games that I absolutely must play, thus requiring me to own it and enjoy it.

You how doing with your CD-I and your 3DS?

 

[Chopper]

Where did I mention that I abhor waggle controls and sub-HD graphics? I didn't, so don't make assumptions. I dislike the console because of its catalogue of games. That's what it all boils down to in the end for me. And so many of them on the Wii have left me cold and unsatisfied.

Fair enough, but the catalogue is large and diverse enough to avoid being panned by melodramatic forum posters, was my point. I'm sure you have a number of reasons for disliking those games you played, but I refuse to believe you capitalised on the options available to you, before declaring the console a "waste of space" and that Nintendo were "dead" to you!

 

[Acquiescence]

Personally, I can't think of a single console without a few games that I absolutely must play, thus requiring me to own it and enjoy it.

Well, the only reason I've kept hold of mine is Silent Hill: Shattered Memories. I adore that game to bits and couldn't imagine playing it on any other console. The remake of Klonoa is nice to have too, even if it is inferior to the original. It'd be nice if The Last Story was another reason to keep hold of the console too.

 

[RPGCrazied]

NoA certainly has. Why would they pass up on the best jRPG this gen, and then release games like fortune street.

 

[hatchx]

I have become increasingly disillusioned with...not video games, per se, but video gaming. I still love the products, but I think I kind of hate the hobby.

It's things like this. Things where the industry itself is not just a sport, but a narrative. You have to have your good guys and bad guys, your plot twists and your presentation. Who are the good guys? Well, the guys you like. Who are the bad guys? The guys you don't like. And when the good guys do anything, hooray. When the bad guys do anything, how terrible.

And it's...weird. Because I've been racking my brain for the last year or so to realize if my hobby has changed or if I have. Was there ever a time where not liking something was not a personal offense to oneself? Did the existence of the 3DO bother me the way that people who don't like Nintendo, or Sony, or Microsoft, or Japanese games, or American games, or whatever seem to feel? Or is it an even weirder, even deeper level of psychosis where we're only reacting this way because it's the internet and we have to scream louder and more aggressively to get anyone to pay attention to our feelings?

I came to the realization a few months back that I basically grew up with video games and my generation may be the first one where we can say that. I grew up talking about Final Fantasy VIII with longful anticipation on message boards for gaming magazines. This is the world in which I was essentially raised and I doubt I'm the only one. Where, then, did we lose the ability to like and dislike things without putting our beings in to it? Was it recent?

I don't know. I see things like the OP saying he was depressed for three days because he had to move the controller in Zelda (a design choice I didn't like, but I still got out of bed the next day) and had to get the system out of his house and I just go back to thinking about how much of a narrative the gaming community has become, where we have to exaggerate our claims and be dramatic because that's just the way the story goes. Perhaps if I weren't so used to it, I'd get the hell out.

I see where you're coming from, but it does make things interesting.

On a real life level, we play games, we like/dislike them, we move on. I don't lose any sleep when I'm disappointed with a game.

On the other hand, in GAF-land, industry news is a sport. A new Dragon Quest on Wii? Nintendo got a touch down. Sony announces Vita at 249.99, they got a draft pick! Microsoft money hatting for download content....dirty plays the ref doesn't catch!

Anyways its all good fun to me. I'm sad the OP is disappointed with Nintendo. I love Nintendo because I never know what to expect. Even in their madness, when all we want is online and HD, they still throw some random curve ball out there. Pac Man VS? Blowing in Donkey Kong? Two kart racers in double dash? Weird, out-there, unexpected shit....and I love it.

 

[legend166]

Oh lord, you've done it. Here I was thinking I didn't like the controls, but in reality I love them, I simply lack the "motor skills" necessary to navigate such a fantastical setup. You sir, are the light that has led me out of the darkness; I cherish you.

Let me put it this way:

Nintendo have sold like 80 million consoles. Including, as I'm sure you'd hate, many people who have never owned a console before or even played video games before. I'd say it's a fairly safe assumption to say that the vast majority of people have no problem using the IR controls based on this information.

And yet, you seem to think they are fundamentally broken, when the reasonable conclusion to make is either;

a) You've set it up incorrectly (bad positioning, interference from other sources, etc)

b) You lack basic motor skills

c) You have faulty hardware


There are plenty of things to get annoyed about when it comes to the Wii. The motion controls are often sketchy. The online sucks. Nintendo's digital content strategy is woeful. And so on.

But the IR controls are fantastic. The fact that they're not going to play a bigger part next generation because of people who play with them for an hour and think 'WELL I'M NOT AS GOOD WITH THIS AS I AM WITH THE ANALOGUE STICK I'VE BEEN USING FOR 15 YEARS SO THAT MEANS THIS TECHNOLOGY IS BROKEN'.

If I don't get an IR controlled Pro Evolution Soccer on the Wii U, I'm personally blaming Icanplaythat.

 

[Sianos]

Hey look, this thread again.

Didn't we just have one of these last month?

 

[crazy monkey]

My first console was little master. It was knockoff that played mario and other 20000 in 1 game cartridge. My second was wii. I am very happy with both. I am not much of a hard core gamer though.

 

[Glix]

Nintendo constantly breaks my heart...

Then wins it back.

 

[P90]

Nintendo pisses me off from time to time, but so do other the gaming companies. I always go with more than one platform every generation. I'm covered for my gaming wants that way.

 

[Chopper]

Let me put it this way:

Nintendo have sold like 80 million consoles. Including, as I'm sure you'd hate, many people who have never owned a console before or even played video games before. I'd say it's a fairly safe assumption to say that the vast majority of people have no problem using the IR controls based on this information.

And yet, you seem to think they are fundamentally broken, when the reasonable conclusion to make is either;

a) You've set it up incorrectly (bad positioning, interference from other sources, etc)

b) You lack basic motor skills

c) You have faulty hardware


There are plenty of things to get annoyed about when it comes to the Wii. The motion controls are often sketchy. The online sucks. Nintendo's digital content strategy is woeful. And so on.

But the IR controls are fantastic. The fact that they're not going to play a bigger part next generation because of people who play with them for an hour and think 'WELL I'M NOT AS GOOD WITH THIS AS I AM WITH THE ANALOGUE STICK I'VE BEEN USING FOR 15 YEARS SO THAT MEANS THIS TECHNOLOGY IS BROKEN'.

If I don't get an IR controlled Pro Evolution Soccer on the Wii U, I'm personally blaming Icanplaythat.

Ha!

This dude totally gets it.

 

[chickdigger802]

Haha I understand what the MC is saying. Besides metroid prime 3 and mario galaxies. Most wiimote controlled 'tradional style games' never clicked for me.

 

[BurntPork]

Let me put it this way:

Nintendo have sold like 80 million consoles. Including, as I'm sure you'd hate, many people who have never owned a console before or even played video games before. I'd say it's a fairly safe assumption to say that the vast majority of people have no problem using the IR controls based on this information.

And yet, you seem to think they are fundamentally broken, when the reasonable conclusion to make is either;

a) You've set it up incorrectly (bad positioning, interference from other sources, etc)

b) You lack basic motor skills

c) You have faulty hardware


There are plenty of things to get annoyed about when it comes to the Wii. The motion controls are often sketchy. The online sucks. Nintendo's digital content strategy is woeful. And so on.

But the IR controls are fantastic. The fact that they're not going to play a bigger part next generation because of people who play with them for an hour and think 'WELL I'M NOT AS GOOD WITH THIS AS I AM WITH THE ANALOGUE STICK I'VE BEEN USING FOR 15 YEARS SO THAT MEANS THIS TECHNOLOGY IS BROKEN'.

If I don't get an IR controlled Pro Evolution Soccer on the Wii U, I'm personally blaming Icanplaythat.

But GAF told me that the vast majority of Wii are sitting in closets.

 

[Acquiescence]

Fair enough, but the catalogue is large and diverse enough to avoid being panned by melodramatic forum posters, was my point. I'm sure you have a number of reasons for disliking those games you played, but I refuse to believe you capitalised on the options available to you, before declaring the console a "waste of space" and that Nintendo were "dead" to you!

I invested in some of the triple A titles sure. But when they failed to deliver, I could only wave off the other supposed big-hitters and assume I wouldn't like them either. A big example is Twilight Princess; my first Zelda game and the whole thing felt so inconsequential that Skyward Sword is barely a blip on my radar. Maybe I have contrary tastes, but I can only speak from personal experience, and personal experience has dictated that Nintendo's future output for the next 4-5 years is receiving no attention from me, because I loathe the Wii.

 

[Icanplaythat]

Let me put it this way:

Nintendo have sold like 80 million consoles. Including, as I'm sure you'd hate, many people who have never owned a console before or even played video games before. I'd say it's a fairly safe assumption to say that the vast majority of people have no problem using the IR controls based on this information.

And yet, you seem to think they are fundamentally broken, when the reasonable conclusion to make is either;

a) You've set it up incorrectly (bad positioning, interference from other sources, etc)

b) You lack basic motor skills

c) You have faulty hardware


There are plenty of things to get annoyed about when it comes to the Wii. The motion controls are often sketchy. The online sucks. Nintendo's digital content strategy is woeful. And so on.

But the IR controls are fantastic. The fact that they're not going to play a bigger part next generation because of people who play with them for an hour and think 'WELL I'M NOT AS GOOD WITH THIS AS I AM WITH THE ANALOGUE STICK I'VE BEEN USING FOR 15 YEARS SO THAT MEANS THIS TECHNOLOGY IS BROKEN'.

If I don't get an IR controlled Pro Evolution Soccer on the Wii U, I'm personally blaming Icanplaythat.

So let me get this right; if something is very popular and a person says they do not like it, the person:

A) Has dysfunctional equipment

B) Does not have the "skills" to enjoy whatever this thing may be

C) Has not created an environment for this popular thing to function as it should

Is this the concept you are throwing my way?

 

[J-Rock]

I'm not really in love with Nintendo anymore but I still let them fuck me.

 

[Icanplaythat]

I'm not really in love with Nintendo anymore but I still let them fuck me.

Ass, face or both?

 

[Chopper]

Maybe I have contrary tastes, but I can only speak from personal experience, and personal experience has dictated that Nintendo's future output for the next 4-5 years is receiving no attention from me, because I loathe the Wii.

I get opinions. What I don't get is how some poor experiences with a few games has caused you to loathe a console and the rest of its library to such an extent. The experience/hate ratio isn't proportionate.

 

[J-Rock]

Ass, face or both?

Usually both but they've really only been interested in ass fucking lately.

 

[fernoca]

Damn nice post ShockingAlberto (like usually). Totally agree.

Is like, it has been described a few times; about how with more generations of consoles; not only the games, consoles and fanbases get bigger; but so does the hyperboles.

People love hyperboles. If they don't like something, then that something "is the worst piece of shit ever conceived". If they like something "is the best thing since ..ever". Is like there's no room for mistakes, no room for "well, I may not like it, but can understand why others like it". You like something, that I don't; then your'e part of the problem!

Like with the Wii. It wasn't a success because of clever marketing, because of an interesting and good (depending on who you ask) way to play/control the games; it was a success because" those darn casuals don't know better and Nintendo ignored me, the hardcore gamer and so I hate them".

Talking in general; not saying that the OP said this or someone else in this thread said that; but I agree that over the last years; I've tried to separate myself as a "gamer" not because I don't play videogames as much, but because of the false ideas that many have regarding of what's been a "gamer". If I don't find problems with a game, I'm a fanboy. If I have problems with something, I'm biased. If I don't care, then things are wrong because of people like me.

Whatever, I just like playing games.

 

[hardcastlemccormick]

I have become increasingly disillusioned with...not video games, per se, but video gaming. I still love the products, but I think I kind of hate the hobby.

It's things like this. Things where the industry itself is not just a sport, but a narrative. You have to have your good guys and bad guys, your plot twists and your presentation. Who are the good guys? Well, the guys you like. Who are the bad guys? The guys you don't like. And when the good guys do anything, hooray. When the bad guys do anything, how terrible.

And it's...weird. Because I've been racking my brain for the last year or so to realize if my hobby has changed or if I have. Was there ever a time where not liking something was not a personal offense to oneself? Did the existence of the 3DO bother me the way that people who don't like Nintendo, or Sony, or Microsoft, or Japanese games, or American games, or whatever seem to feel? Or is it an even weirder, even deeper level of psychosis where we're only reacting this way because it's the internet and we have to scream louder and more aggressively to get anyone to pay attention to our feelings?

I came to the realization a few months back that I basically grew up with video games and my generation may be the first one where we can say that. I grew up talking about Final Fantasy VIII with longful anticipation on message boards for gaming magazines. This is the world in which I was essentially raised and I doubt I'm the only one. Where, then, did we lose the ability to like and dislike things without putting our beings in to it? Was it recent?

I don't know. I see things like the OP saying he was depressed for three days because he had to move the controller in Zelda (a design choice I didn't like, but I still got out of bed the next day) and had to get the system out of his house and I just go back to thinking about how much of a narrative the gaming community has become, where we have to exaggerate our claims and be dramatic because that's just the way the story goes. Perhaps if I weren't so used to it, I'd get the hell out.

This is the best post I've read on GAF. Even beats moist as dudes.

Is this the concept you are throwing my way?

The post would at least assume that 80 million people aren't experiencing the same problems as you, and that it might be problems on your end (or with that specific console) and not the console being having issues.

Occam's Razor and shit.

 

[Game Guru]

This is always strange to me... If a person does not like a system then why do they continue to talk about it? I mean I don't really like the PS3, but I don't make topics saying that Sony broke my heart. Instead, I just stick with my Wii, 360, and PS2.

 

[AceBandage]

This is always strange to me... If a person does not like a system then why do they continue to talk about it? I mean I don't really like the PS3, but I don't make topics saying that Sony broke my heart. Instead, I just stick with my Wii, 360, and PS2.

Because my opinion is the most important thing ever and everyone must know it, regardless of how irrational and stupid it is!

 

[Icanplaythat]

Besides the 50 bucks, what's the difference between the 160GB and 320GB PS3.

 

[Icanplaythat]

Because my opinion is the most important thing ever and everyone must know it, regardless of how irrational and stupid it is!

I would not classify my opinion as irrational.

 

[Black-Wind]

Nintendo is breaking my heart with the 3DS so far.

Really, I think this is gonna be the first time I get a non-Nintendo handheld. Vita just keeps looking better and better and I'm not seeing a light at the end of the 3DS tunnel.

 

[AceBandage]

I would not classify my opinion as irrational.

Holy shit was that controller a nightmare, I came to know it as the grand ruiner of games. I never felt the pointer was in the right place in any game, the waggling in Zelda broke my spirit. My 2 week mission turned into a 3 day depression session. I packed it up and dropped it off a couple of days later at my brothers apartment as I was checking his mail.

I would...

 

[Satchel]

Well, I was the opposite to you.

I was always Sega growing up, but the Nintendo 64 is actually what got me into multi-plat, and to be honest, when first demoed the Wii before release, I got excited.

But regardless of what's happened since, I got Punch Out Wii, so it was all worth it as far as I'm concerned.

 

[AppleSmack]

nah my heart is still whole. Will still buy the next Zelda game then ditch my wii.

 

[fernoca]

Besides the 50 bucks, what's the difference between the 160GB and 320GB PS3.

Just that. Some people said that newer models don't include any LED lights (other than HDD indicator); to consume less energy...or something like that.


In the end, you can change the HDD on any model. So you could technically get a 160GB, and a game (or two) with those extra $50 and start playing games..and change the HDD in a few years if you need/want to.

 

[Togglesworlh]

Hey look, this thread again.

Didn't we just have one of these last month?

This post is original there certainly haven't already been several posts per page exactly like it in this thread.

My favorite part is that he expresses his opinion in the a largely inoffensive manner and still people jump down his throat. So he gets defensive against the gangbang, and now he's the bad guy.

C'est la vie.

 

[Pimpbaa]

OP needs to grow up and stop getting emotionally attached to videogame companies.

 

[hardcastlemccormick]

I would not classify my opinion as irrational.

And yet you're spinning a consumer grade gaming product into a momentous theater of the villainous out to make games that piss you off on a level that offends your very being and breaks your heart in two. It's like you can't take games that you don't like, and for some reason GAF MUST KNOW.

And then you layer on the hyperbole and make wide spanning claim about games you haven't played to defend your opinion against dozens of posters who find your exaggeration as ridiculous as we all thought it was when we read it on System Wars.

Irrational? Heavens, no!

I played it for 3 days and hated it, how long was I supposed to play before I could have an opinion. Let me know the "Official Amount of Time Something Must Be Experienced Before an Opinion Can Become Valid" per the beliefs of AceBandage.

The fact that you think that's what he has issues with show just how truly in character you're being in your own script of good versus evil.

Drop the allegory.

 

[Icanplaythat]

I would...

I played it for 3 days and hated it, how long was I supposed to play before I could have an opinion. Let me know the "Official Amount of Time Something Must Be Experienced Before an Opinion Can Become Valid" per the beliefs of AceBandage.

 

[AceBandage]

I played it for 3 days and hated it, how long was I supposed to play before I could have an opinion. Let me know the "Official Amount of Time Something Must Be Experienced Before an Opinion Can Become Valid" per the beliefs of AceBandage.

You sank into a three day depression because you had to move your arm.
That's as irrational as they come...

 

[Chopper]

I played it for 3 days and hated it, how long was I supposed to play before I could have an opinion. Let me know the "Official Amount of Time Something Must Be Experienced Before an Opinion Can Become Valid" per the beliefs of AceBandage.

I can't speak for AceBandage. But I believe it's 4 days.

 

[hosannainexcelsis]

I played it for 3 days and hated it, how long was I supposed to play before I could have an opinion. Let me know the "Official Amount of Time Something Must Be Experienced Before an Opinion Can Become Valid" per the beliefs of AceBandage.

It's more the melodramatic hyperbole of phrases such as "grand ruiner of games" or "broke my spirit" or "depression session" that's the problem than whether you liked or disliked Twilight Princess. Either you're way too obsessed about these things or you're exaggerating for attention-grabbing effect.

 

[Agent_J]

i must be the only person to every be "won" by nintendo with the gamecube
wind waker + metroid prime + super mario sunshine + super smash bros melee + mario kart double dash = nintendo dork for life <3

i grew up with the sega genesis, then the playstation 1.. then the ps2.. then melee game out and changed the entire game.

 

[AceBandage]

i must be the only person to every be "won" by nintendo with the gamecube
wind waker + metroid prime + super mario sunshine + super smash bros melee + mario kart double dash = nintendo dork for life <3

i grew up with the sega genesis, then the playstation 1.. then the ps2.. then melee game out and changed the entire game.

I'm in a similar boat.
Melee + Metroid Prime made me buy a GameCube. My first Nintendo console ever.

 

[mentalfloss]

I would not classify my opinion as irrational.

You set up the IR wrong or you're playing on an HD set that causes lag. Or, you just haven't developed a proficiency with these 'new' controls.

Either way, u sucksorz because Wii controls (and PS Move controls) are actually a superior control method than dual analog.

 

[Yagharek]

I love the Wii as a games system. I think its even better than the Gamecube and Nintendo 64.

Controls are great, software variety is excellent, the best games are phenomenal, the virtual console lineup makes up for missing pal titles, Wii Ware has some classics. What's not to love about it?

And for that matter, GC was an excellent system too.

 

[Icanplaythat]

And yet you're spinning a consumer grade gaming product into a momentous theater of the villainous out to make games that piss you off on a level that offends your very being and breaks your heart in two. It's like you can't take games that you don't like, and for some reason GAF MUST KNOW.

And then you layer on the hyperbole and make wide spanning claim about games you haven't played to defend your opinion against dozens of posters who find your exaggeration as ridiculous as we all thought it was when we read it on System Wars.

Irrational? Heavens, no!



The fact that you think that's what he has issues with show just how truly in character you're being in your own script of good versus evil.

Drop the allegory.

Please show me the game or games I have said "piss me off"; I have not criticized games, I criticized the controller.

 

[guek]

So let me get this right; if something is very popular and a person says they do not like it, the person:

A) Has dysfunctional equipment

B) Does not have the "skills" to enjoy whatever this thing may be

C) Has not created an environment for this popular thing to function as it should

Is this the concept you are throwing my way?

So let me get this right; if there's something widely accepted by tens of millions of people as functioning as advertised that does not work for you, then

A) The item does not function as promised

B) Everyone else is delusional

C) Your personal distress and anguish over corporate products is a reasonable response

Is this the concept you are throwing our way?

Let's not forget the unlisted option

D) It works as advertised, but due to your personal tastes, you do not enjoy the product

but of course, such a reasonable response is uncalled for

 

[Boney]

And yet you're spinning a consumer grade gaming product into a momentous theater of the villainous out to make games that piss you off on a level that offends your very being and breaks your heart in two. It's like you can't take games that you don't like, and for some reason GAF MUST KNOW.

And then you layer on the hyperbole and make wide spanning claim about games you haven't played to defend your opinion against dozens of posters who find your exaggeration as ridiculous as we all thought it was when we read it on System Wars.

Irrational? Heavens, no!



The fact that you think that's what he has issues with show just how truly in character you're being in your own script of good versus evil.

Drop the allegory.

you know, I'd like you if you didn't break GAF with your username. So stop making gaf all weird.

 

[Chopper]

Please show me the game or games I have said "piss me off"; I have not criticized games, I criticized the controller.

There is plenty of variety in the console's catalogue that can help negate those criticisms. Unless you find the controllers inherently uncomfortable. Which sucks, but is a little weird.