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[hardcastlemccormick]

Please show me the game or games I have said "piss me off"; I have not criticized games, I criticized the controller.

How does that in any way negate what I said? If it makes you feel better:

And yet you're spinning a consumer grade gaming product into a momentous theater of the villainous out to make controllers that piss you off on a level that offends your very being and breaks your heart in two. It's like you can't take consoles that you don't like, and for some reason GAF MUST KNOW.

you know, I'd like you if you didn't break GAF with your username. So stop making gaf all weird.

I have a request with the mods to replace the underscore with a space. Apparently it's only a matter of time.

 

[mentalfloss]

I think we're done here.

Case closed.

 

[fernoca]

i must be the only person to every be "won" by nintendo with the gamecube
wind waker + metroid prime + super mario sunshine + super smash bros melee + mario kart double dash = nintendo dork for life <3

i grew up with the sega genesis, then the playstation 1.. then the ps2.. then melee game out and changed the entire game.

My friend was kinda like tat.
He had a SNES back then, but always was a Sega/PlayStation guy in the years. Never got (or cared) about he nintendo 64.

So GameCube came in, and it was the Resident Evil remake that got him into it. Then he got more games and and he enjoyed them. He never played Ocarina of time, but got Wind Waker and loved it.

He then got a Wii at launch and recently bought a second Wii. He owns a PS3, 2 Xbox 360s and a nice PC with 2 screens. Yet, he's currently playing Wii Sports Resort and pissed off at me for not telling him that Wal-Mart has Red Steel 2 for Wii (Motion Plus bundle) for $20.

you know, I'd like you if you didn't break GAF with your username. So stop making gaf all weird.

Haha, there's someone else like that... with a longer username I think. Forgot the name. The guy's cool and he's using a Retro Sub-Zero avatar from the MK OT; but his username is damn long.. XD

 

[Togglesworlh]

I don't know. I see things like the OP saying he was depressed for three days because he had to move the controller in Zelda (a design choice I didn't like, but I still got out of bed the next day) and had to get the system out of his house and I just go back to thinking about how much of a narrative the gaming community has become, where we have to exaggerate our claims and be dramatic because that's just the way the story goes. Perhaps if I weren't so used to it, I'd get the hell out.

While it's probably true that he was exaggerating, I could see myself becoming similarly depressed if Valve decided to suddenly give up on the PC and start making games exclusively for consoles. This is, in effect, what Nintendo has done with the Wii remote. They've strayed away from the path of traditional controls in favor of what may seem to some a more gimmicky approach. PC gaming is my THING now. Valve consistently releases products that I love (with the exception of Counter-Strike). Should they shift their focus to something I find uninteresting, like Nintendo has done for the OP, I would be upset.

Similarly, there was a time, absolutely, where I followed Nintendo closer than any other company. It is a little depressing when I think about how little I actually care about them these days. I will play their games, but as a company, they have lost my, uh, devotion? I guess that's a word that describes it.

Obviously, they don't care, and I got over it and moved on. But having an emotional reaction to an event in Video Gaming, whatever that event may be, is not out of the question for me. Honestly, I'm surprised you seem so... apathetic about it, given that you grew up with video games. Maybe they just aren't as important to you as they are to me. I don't know. Gaming is part of who I am. No single company is going to make or break me, but they definitely contribute to my life in ways that other things - food and people, for example - don't.

 

[Agent_J]

if you don't like a game or a system or even a whole company, just move on.

play the games you like and move on.

move the fuck on, man.

 

[SykoTech]

This post is original there certainly haven't already been several posts per page exactly like it in this thread.

My favorite part is that he expresses his opinion in the a largely inoffensive manner and still people jump down his throat. So he gets defensive against the gangbang, and now he's the bad guy.

C'est la vie.

Nintendo may have broken this guy's heart, but a lot of people are clearly still head over heels for them. It's like he's talking down on their girlfriends, so of course they're going to start using irrational personal insult (lol, you just don't have the skills).

Try to understand.

 

[Icanplaythat]

So let me get this right; if there's something widely accepted by tens of millions of people as functioning as advertised that does not work for you, then

A) The item does not function as promised

B) Everyone else is delusional

C) Your personal distress and anguish over corporate products is a reasonable response

Is this the concept you are throwing our way?

Let's not forget the unlisted option

D) It works as advertised, but due to your personal tastes, you do not enjoy the product

but of course, such a reasonable response is uncalled for

Please quote where I said it was broken, or the advertising was a lie because it works differently than it's supposed to. I said I didn't like the way it worked and please quote where I called people "delusional". I wouldn't say I was in distress or anguish, I was definitely bummed out, but I remember playing Mass Effect shortly after the Wii experience and all was good.

 

[Togglesworlh]

Try to understand.

Try to understand what? That people are getting overly defensive because this guy doesn't love what they love?

It's possible you are being sarcastic, in which case ignore this post.

 

[SillyEskimo]

I had a nes and snes back in the day. I played all the best games on both and have great memories and nostalgia for both eras. I skipped out on gamecube in favor of PS1 and the N64 in favor of the PS2. Actually, I just bought a Wii about 2 months ago with about 20 some odd games. My overall impression about present day Nintendo is that they seem to make things just about as hard as possible for a customer to get their hands on games. Want Metroid Prime Trilogy? Nope! Xenoblade? Not in NA, sorry! How about Zelda Wind Walker!?! Get a gamecube copy, stupid! Until just a week ago, Super Paper Mario was only available via 3rd party for around 100$. As soon as it was announced for 20$, I was all over it. It's just frustrating trying to get all the games I want for the Wii. The PS3 and 360 are easy to get any game I want for either system with no issues at all. Going from that to the Wii has proven to be frustrating from a buying and gamer standpoint.

 

[SolarPowered]

I've probably got over 55 Wii games by now, but the most important one was so bad on the online front that I only played it for 20 something hours.

Going from thousands of hours to less than a days worth of gaming has destroyed the Smash Bros. series for me and that is a huge loss on the Nintendo front...

 

[RagnarokX]

So you can't use the pointer because you can see your hand? Do you put some kind of divider over your arm to hide your mouse from sight so you won't try to aim it at your monitor?

 

[plufim]

There is a buttload of content on the Wii if you actually look, but even then, the motherfucking DS is the greatest system of this generation.

 

[Uno Venova]

This post is original there certainly haven't already been several posts per page exactly like it in this thread.

My favorite part is that he expresses his opinion in the a largely inoffensive manner and still people jump down his throat. So he gets defensive against the gangbang, and now he's the bad guy.

C'est la vie.

You always get some battle scars talking negative about Nintendo here.

 

[Truth101]

I've probably got over 55 Wii games by now, but the most important one was so bad on the online front that I only played it for 20 something hours.

Going from thousands of hours to less than a days worth of gaming has destroyed the Smash Bros. series for me and that is a huge loss on the Nintendo front...

How did you ever enjoy Melee then?

 

[AlexMeloche]

The Wii is actually my favorite console ever. So no broken heart to see here.

 

[qq more]

I think the Wii is great and is severely underrated (to the hardcore gamers anyways) despite selling the most.

It's not the best system this gen, but it has a lot of good games people should really check out. Way better than the N64 and Gamecube, IMHO.

 

[Icanplaythat]

So you can't use the pointer because you can see your hand? Do you put some kind of divider over your arm to hide your mouse from sight so you won't try to aim it at your monitor?

I can't see where the mouses laser is, plus I'm not pointing the mouse at the screen. Could you imagine pointing the mouse at what you believe to be the dead center of your PC monitor and having it be a few inches off, annoying.

 

[AceBandage]

You always get some battle scars talking negative about Nintendo here.

There's not liking a company.
And then there's making a topic about how it drove you into a depression because you didn't know how to use a simple controller...

 

[Rocket Punch]

The folly of people on the internet. Video game forums and otherwise is that they rely on other people's opinions to form their own. It gets to the point that they feel awkward liking a particular game or any peculiar aspect of a game simply because it doesn't fit into what they view as 'normal' or 'orthodox' or it doesn't fit into the critical acclaim of the masses.

We despite change with and see it as a threat. Anything that doesn't resemble an established genre is viewed with scorn and skepticism. Any attempts to innovate gameplay or hardware deas are downplayed as 'gimmicks'. Because everything in gaming is serious business.

Worst of all, we dissect every single piece of software and sap the fun out of the hobby by taking the most insignificant things all too seriously. All in the sake of some nebulous sense of realism in a medium that was founded on escapism.

What whatever the hell you want and quit being so obsessed over the details.

 

[hardcastlemccormick]

You always get some battle scars talking negative about Nintendo here.

It doesn't help that a lot of posts are like this one: making silly throwaway comments about the Wiimote and how inaccurate it is and then turning into a romance novel with full blown heart wrenching despair.

There are legitimate beefs to be had with Nintendo. I've seen them discussed on GAF rationally. More often than not it turns into this thread though.

Nintendo fans can be just as bad in the opposite direction, don't get me wrong. Sean Malstrom, for example. But to paint the Nintendo fans as bloodthirsty fanboys when mounting a defense of this OP is ridiculous.

I think your problem is that you're interpreting his post as completely literal, not accounting for the fact that most people use exaggeration and hyperbole in everyday life.

Yes, they do. They tend not try and use it in an argument or to try and get support for an idea on a forum though.

 

[Togglesworlh]

There's not liking a company.
And then there's making a topic about how it drove you into a depression because you didn't know how to use a simple controller...

I think your problem is that you're interpreting his post as completely literal, not accounting for the fact that most people use exaggeration and hyperbole in everyday life.

 

[legend166]

So let me get this right; if something is very popular and a person says they do not like it, the person:

A) Has dysfunctional equipment

B) Does not have the "skills" to enjoy whatever this thing may be

C) Has not created an environment for this popular thing to function as it should

Is this the concept you are throwing my way?

Absolutely not.

Popularity does not equal quality and popularity certainly doesn't dictate personal taste and opinion.

But you're implying that the IR controls are broken. You said this:

I never felt the pointer was in the right place in any game

That obviously implies "this thing isn't working like it should" rather than "I don't like this thing".

I'm saying that this console has sold to heaps of people and that there's been an incredibly low rate of people saying "the IR doesn't work". It's like the equivalent of people saying there was no problem with launch 360 hardware because their machine never broke.

You've probably got a bad set up. Is it right to blame Nintendo for that? I don't know. It's a pre-requisite of the system that you've got an area free of infra-red interference. Is that an unnecessarily difficult requirement to ask of people? I'll point at the sales numbers again and no say. Does it suck if that means you can't use the product? Sure. But it's not really a fault of the product. That's just how technology works. I don't get angry at treadmill manufacturers if I can't fit a treadmill into my living room.

Or you just lack the understanding of how it's supposed to work. It is not (and should not be) a 1:1 mapping of where you're aiming. That would require a lot of extra movement to get around the screen. It's a relative aiming system, not an absolute one. You can cover the entire screen in small wrist movements without ever lifting your arm. As it should be.

Am I going to have to post the Wii Play Shoot video to prove my point here?

 

[AceBandage]

I think your problem is that you're interpreting his post as completely literal, not accounting for the fact that most people use exaggeration and hyperbole in everyday life.

But that's just the problem... there was no need for hyperbole.
Just say "I didn't like the game selection of the system and I don't know how to use the Wii Remote (despite it being far simpler than using dual analog)".

 

[Icanplaythat]

It doesn't help that a lot of posts are like this one: making silly throwaway comments about the Wiimote and how inaccurate it is and then turning into a romance novel with full blown heart wrenching despair.

There are legitimate beefs to be had with Nintendo. I've seen them discussed on GAF rationally. More often than not it turns into this thread though.

Nintendo fans can be just as bad in the opposite direction, don't get me wrong. Sean Malstrom, for example. But to paint the Nintendo fans as bloodthirsty fanboys when mounting a defense of this OP is ridiculous.

Lol, I genuinely laughed at the "heart wrenching despair", good stuff.

 

[Sophia]

This thread has done one good thing...

Icanplaythat's opinion has encouraged me to rent a copy of Twilight Princess and waggle my way through it.

Or I may just settle with Super Mario Galaxy.

 

[ShockingAlberto]

While it's probably true that he was exaggerating, I could see myself becoming similarly depressed if Valve decided to suddenly give up on the PC and start making games exclusively for consoles. This is, in effect, what Nintendo has done with the Wii remote. They've strayed away from the path of traditional controls in favor of what may seem to some a more gimmicky approach. PC gaming is my THING now. Valve consistently releases products that I love (with the exception of Counter-Strike). Should they shift their focus to something I find uninteresting, like Nintendo has done for the OP, I would be upset.

Similarly, there was a time, absolutely, where I followed Nintendo closer than any other company. It is a little depressing when I think about how little I actually care about them these days. I will play their games, but as a company, they have lost my, uh, devotion? I guess that's a word that describes it.

Obviously, they don't care, and I got over it and moved on. But having an emotional reaction to an event in Video Gaming, whatever that event may be, is not out of the question for me. Honestly, I'm surprised you seem so... apathetic about it, given that you grew up with video games. Maybe they just aren't as important to you as they are to me. I don't know. Gaming is part of who I am. No single company is going to make or break me, but they definitely contribute to my life in ways that other things - food and people, for example - don't.

I don't think that zealousness, especially when tied to deeply emotional triggers, should be confused for "love" of a hobby or the importance of it.

I mean, if that is the new definition, if video games are only important to someone if we become emotionally dependent on their highs and lows, then that's not a definition I want to be a part of. But even if we're acting like it is, if the community has truly gone to the point where video game opinions are more than just the things we prefer and do not, it does not mean we have to stay this way.

Here's an example. I really disliked Borderlands. If I made a thread today talking about how much I disliked it, I would not say that the game depressed me because of its design decisions, I would not be angry at Gearbox for the way they failed to design a good battle system. I just didn't like the game and I'm capable of analyzing why I didn't like it, and what I would like to see fixed, without losing myself to emotion.

Another example, this time hypothetical. You go to a movie board and someone says that Love, Actually is a terrible film. Which, okay, that's actually not unreasonable. But then the actual thread is about how Rowan Atkinson broke their heart with a speaking role, how he never plans to see another movie again with Emma Thompson because her poor performance betrayed him. We'd all think that's totally batshit crazy, right? But here, in the gaming community, that's just par for the course.

And that may be the craziest thing of all.

 

[AceBandage]

This thread has done one good thing...

Icanplaythat's opinion has encouraged me to rent a copy of Twilight Princess and waggle my way through it.

Or I may just settle with Super Mario Galaxy.

Just get Skyward Sword.
Regardless of the controls, it'll be a better game period.

I don't think that zealousness, especially when tied to deeply emotional triggers, should be confused for "love" of a hobby or the importance of it.

I mean, if that is the new definition, if video games are only important to someone if we become emotionally dependent on their highs and lows, then that's not a definition I want to be a part of. But even if we're acting like it is, if the community has truly gone to the point where video game opinions are more than just the things we prefer and do not, it does not mean we have to stay this way.

Here's an example. I really disliked Borderlands. If I made a thread today talking about how much I disliked it, I would not say that the game depressed me because of its design decisions, I would not be angry at Gearbox for the way they failed to design a good battle system. I just didn't like the game and I'm capable of analyzing why I didn't like it, and what I would like to see fixed, without losing myself to emotion.

Another example, this time hypothetical. You go to a movie board and someone says that Love, Actually is a terrible film. Which, okay, that's actually not unreasonable. But then the actual thread is about how Rowan Atkinson broke their heart with a speaking role, how he never plans to see another movie again with Emma Thompson because her poor performance betrayed him. We'd all think that's totally batshit crazy, right? But here, in the gaming community, that's just par for the course.

And that may be the craziest thing of all.

I want to analyze that giant brain of yours...

 

[Chopper]

I think your problem is that you're interpreting his post as completely literal, not accounting for the fact that most people use exaggeration and hyperbole in everyday life.

And in everyday life you think about how you word a black and white forum post that's bound to be scrutinised by thousands of gaming enthusiasts. The OP is using his melodrama to support an invalid argument. The IR controls work.

 

[Nessus]

I look at it this way:

A lot of gamers, including a lot of the people who post on NeoGAF, really enjoy AAA big budget "cinematic" games. Modern Warfare, God Of War, Uncharted, etc.

To maintain that level of quality and also take advantage of current gen (PS3/360) hardware the budgets for these types of games have skyrocketed compared to last gen.

We've already seen at least a dozen long time familiar medium-sized studios from previous generations go out of business while attempting to make this transition. Nowadays a single flop can bring down your entire company and the break even point is 1 million+ sold.

To have any chance at this games have had to become more mainstream (something a lot of developers and gamers already desperately crave, for their hobby to receive validation) and people here complain about that because it means games have gotten easier.

Simultaneously the controllers for current gen systems are the most complex they've ever been; the 360's controller has 17 buttons and 2 analog sticks.

As people who grew up playing games, all of us posting here on GAF, we've been able to grow along with each subsequent generation's controllers. We really do lose sight of how intimidating a controller with 17 buttons can be to someone who hasn't played a game in a long time or someone who's just starting out.

Those two trends are what Nintendo was attempting to address with Wii. I wouldn't say they succeeded on either level, but that doesn't mean they were wrong.

And I honestly believe that motion controls done right have the potential to enhance the experience, something with even greater fidelity than Move could really allow for immersive 1:1 controls in hardcore games.

Lastly, for Nintendo fans, Wii is pretty much the only thing Nintendo could have done. The market really didn't need (nor could it support) 3 redundant "next gen" consoles with the same controllers and roughly the same power.

 

[Togglesworlh]

Or you just lack the understanding of how it's supposed to work. It is not (and should not be) a 1:1 mapping of where you're aiming. That would require a lot of extra movement to get around the screen. It's a relative aiming system, not an absolute one. You can cover the entire screen in small wrist movements without ever lifting your arm. As it should be.

Actually, if you are moving nothing but your wrist, it's pretty easy to span the entire screenspace even with 1:1 mapping. The pointer is determined by the ANGLE of the remote, not the position. But you are correct in that Wii is not 1:1, and is probably better because of it.

And in everyday life you think about how you word a black and white forum post that's bound to be scrutinised by thousands of gaming enthusiasts. The OP is using his melodrama to support an invalid argument. The IR controls work.

So he made a mistake! He's since clarified his position more than once. Why do you continue to attack him?

 

[fernoca]

I think your problem is that you're interpreting his post as completely literal, not accounting for the fact that most people use exaggeration and hyperbole in everyday life.

That I agree.

As someone noted in another thread earlier this week; when Gunstar Heroes on XBLA got "dated" for "tomorrow"; and he lacking similar excitement for recent announcements. People weren't actually screaming in the streets "OMG WTF YESSS!!!!!". They posted that, but they probably just smiled and nothing else; while posting "FUCK YEAH GAME OF THE FOREVER WTF FINALLLYYYYYYY".

 

[Sophia]

Just get Skyward Sword.
Regardless of the controls, it'll be a better game period.

But... I want to waggle now!

 

[hardcastlemccormick]

Lol, I genuinely laugh at the "heart wrenching despair", good stuff.

I won't pretend I didn't have moments of irrational overpowering feelings in games and the industry before, of course. There was a few months where anyone touched Half-Life 2 and I would just go ballistic on people. I have to admit, those were good times, in an odd way.

 

[Alrus]

This thread has done one good thing...

Icanplaythat's opinion has encouraged me to rent a copy of Twilight Princess and waggle my way through it.

Or I may just settle with Super Mario Galaxy.

I'd go with Mario Galaxy, while I love TP (and I never had a problem with the waggling, it really isn't much of a problem, and I don't understand people saying it ruined the game...), Galaxy is probably my most beloved game this generation. (I finished it about 4 or 5 time in 2 years, I really love that game >.>). It's a really great game and it deserve to be given a chance. (The waggle is even less distracting than in Zelda).

 

[fernoca]

But... I want to waggle now!

You don't need a Wii for that.


EDIT:
And again, agree with Shocking.

 

[Uno Venova]

There's not liking a company.
And then there's making a topic about how it drove you into a depression because you didn't know how to use a simple controller...

He did admit he was being melodramatic.

It doesn't help that a lot of posts are like this one: making silly throwaway comments about the Wiimote and how inaccurate it is and then turning into a romance novel with full blown heart wrenching despair.

There are legitimate beefs to be had with Nintendo. I've seen them discussed on GAF rationally. More often than not it turns into this thread though.

Nintendo fans can be just as bad in the opposite direction, don't get me wrong. Sean Malstrom, for example. But to paint the Nintendo fans as bloodthirsty fanboys in defense of this OP is ridiculous.

I see that, I don't think the OP is that crazy, there are people who absolutely hate PS3 controllers ad Xbox controllers, I find all comfortable but if he can't enjoy Wii games because of the controller, that's quite alright.

 

[Boney]

I don't think that zealousness, especially when tied to deeply emotional triggers, should be confused for "love" of a hobby or the importance of it.

I mean, if that is the new definition, if video games are only important to someone if we become emotionally dependent on their highs and lows, then that's not a definition I want to be a part of. But even if we're acting like it is, if the community has truly gone to the point where video game opinions are more than just the things we prefer and do not, it does not mean we have to stay this way.

Here's an example. I really disliked Borderlands. If I made a thread today talking about how much I disliked it, I would not say that the game depressed me because of its design decisions, I would not be angry at Gearbox for the way they failed to design a good battle system. I just didn't like the game and I'm capable of analyzing why I didn't like it, and what I would like to see fixed, without losing myself to emotion.

Another example, this time hypothetical. You go to a movie board and someone says that Love, Actually is a terrible film. Which, okay, that's actually not unreasonable. But then the actual thread is about how Rowan Atkinson broke their heart with a speaking role, how he never plans to see another movie again with Emma Thompson because her poor performance betrayed him. We'd all think that's totally batshit crazy, right? But here, in the gaming community, that's just par for the course.

And that may be the craziest thing of all.

We're an army of PR bots. I'm surprised you're surprised by this.

 

[guek]

Please quote where I said it was broken, or the advertising was a lie because it works differently than it's supposed to. I said I didn't like the way it worked and please quote where I called people "delusional". I wouldn't say I was in distress or anguish, I was definitely bummed out, but I remember playing Mass Effect shortly after the Wii experience and all was good.

The bolded sections either happened outright or were heavily implied, though mostly through idiotic hyperbole. So whether you meant to imply those things or not, I don't really care.

And no, you can go searching through your own posts for quotes.

anywho

sooo I'm outa here

 

[SolarPowered]

I gotta say that I couldn't disagree more with the OP's view of the Wiimote and pointer controls, but he is entitled to his opinion...

How did you ever enjoy Melee then?

Melee was a different game at a different point in my life. I was in high school/middle school and had the spare time to meet friends for games.

Everyone is off doing their own things and living their lives. We still got together for tons of Halo 3 matches just like Halo 2 because of how well the online worked. I even had 1000+ races with friends on Mario Kart before we got tired of no chatting options on the console.

I prefer Melee on a mechanical level, but I would have enjoyed Brawl had the online implementation panned out better. I guess it is just a case of Nintendo not growing with their audience like MS or Sony...

 

[Poyunch]

Oh gosh I hope no one mad this reference already.

 

[Icanplaythat]

Absolutely not.

Popularity does not equal quality and popularity certainly doesn't dictate personal taste and opinion.

But you're implying that the IR controls are broken. You said this:



That obviously implies "this thing isn't working like it should" rather than "I don't like this thing".

I'm saying that this console has sold to heaps of people and that there's been an incredibly low rate of people saying "the IR doesn't work". It's like the equivalent of people saying there was no problem with launch 360 hardware because their machine never broke.

You've probably got a bad set up. Is it right to blame Nintendo for that? I don't know. It's a pre-requisite of the system that you've got an area free of infra-red interference. Is that an unnecessarily difficult requirement to ask of people? I'll point at the sales numbers again and no say. Does it suck if that means you can't use the product? Sure. But it's not really a fault of the product. That's just how technology works. I don't get angry at treadmill manufacturers if I can't fit a treadmill into my living room.

Or you just lack the understanding of how it's supposed to work. It is not (and should not be) a 1:1 mapping of where you're aiming. That would require a lot of extra movement to get around the screen. It's a relative aiming system, not an absolute one. You can cover the entire screen in small wrist movements without ever lifting your arm. As it should be.

Am I going to have to post the Wii Play Shoot video to prove my point here?

I disagree, I just used a laser pointer against my wall and I was able to cover a huge amount of it with very small movements. I get the concept, I simply abhor the execution. My main problem exists in the fact that the Wiimote can't see the TV screen, it's only acknowledging the presence of the sensor bar. I also feel the movement stuff is dumb in games like Zelda and Metroid. It makes a lot more sense in games like Wii sports and WarioWare, those games appear to be made enormously more enjoyable with the accelerometer stuff. Maybe 2 sensor bars would make more sense, that way the controller knows where center screen is. I may be wrong, but I don't remember the Wii asking for screen size, just 4:3 or 16:9; wouldn't it be more accurate if the Wii knew the size of my TV?

 

[Chopper]

So he made a mistake! He's since clarified his position more than once. Why do you continue to attack him?

Dude, I'm not attacking anybody. I am however baffled by the OP's opinion that the controls in Twilight Princess are broken, or that the controllers are uncomfortable.

 

[Ysiadmihi]

Oddly enough, Nintendo games are the only reason I haven't completely abandoned consoles. If only Nintendo made PC games

 

[Boney]

Dude, I'm not attacking anybody. I am however baffled by the OP's opinion that the controls in Twilight Princess are broken, or that the controllers are uncomfortable.

I'm not, but I'm just surprised he doesn't just get the GC version or something.

 

[Togglesworlh]

Dude, I'm not attacking anybody. I am however baffled by the OP's opinion that the controls in Twilight Princess are broken, or that the controllers are uncomfortable.

Apologies. That was meant to be a general "you". FWIW, I can tolerate TP's controls, but they're still horrible.

I don't think that zealousness, especially when tied to deeply emotional triggers, should be confused for "love" of a hobby or the importance of it.

I mean, if that is the new definition, if video games are only important to someone if we become emotionally dependent on their highs and lows, then that's not a definition I want to be a part of. But even if we're acting like it is, if the community has truly gone to the point where video game opinions are more than just the things we prefer and do not, it does not mean we have to stay this way.

Here's an example. I really disliked Borderlands. If I made a thread today talking about how much I disliked it, I would not say that the game depressed me because of its design decisions, I would not be angry at Gearbox for the way they failed to design a good battle system. I just didn't like the game and I'm capable of analyzing why I didn't like it, and what I would like to see fixed, without losing myself to emotion.

Another example, this time hypothetical. You go to a movie board and someone says that Love, Actually is a terrible film. Which, okay, that's actually not unreasonable. But then the actual thread is about how Rowan Atkinson broke their heart with a speaking role, how he never plans to see another movie again with Emma Thompson because her poor performance betrayed him. We'd all think that's totally batshit crazy, right? But here, in the gaming community, that's just par for the course.

And that may be the craziest thing of all.

Whether or not I am emotionally dependent on video games is somewhat irrelevant, though. The fact is that I very much enjoy them, and they have shaped who I am and will be in the future. (I am 24 years old, for whatever that's worth.) I do not want to live in a world without them, because I, frankly, can't imagine life without them. Maybe that is pathetic. I don't know.

I'm sure I could live without them, but I would never choose such a life. At least not at this point in time. My opinions are always in flux. Buuut my point is, as I am today, it is very easy to become emotionally attached to video games. Less so than when I was a kid, but it can definitely still happen.

Regarding your distaste for Borderlands... I would argue that this thread and your thread are different in that you simply dislike the game. Were you a huge fan of Gearbox prior to Borderlands? Did they help shape you as a human being? It seems to me that Nintendo DID shape the OP as a human being, or he wouldn't actually be having had this kind of reaction.

Never mind that we are all human beings and handle change and discord in our own unique manners.

Regarding your hypothetical... I think that's taking what's happened here to a level far beyond "extreme". I can honestly say I've never seen anyone react that way to a video game. I also wouldn't be surprised to venture onto an internet film forum and see passion, rational or otherwise, of a similar level to that which can be seen here.

Obviously, I'm not the OP, so I can't actually speak for him, but it just looks like he made his post a little more colorful than he actually meant it to be, and now that everyone is continuously attacking him, some just repeating points that have already been made half a dozen times, he's getting overly defensive. It's hard to think straight when everyone's attacking you all at once. It wears on you, even if it IS just a bunch of no-name internet assholes.

 

[Lord_Byron28]

I have become increasingly disillusioned with...not video games, per se, but video gaming. I still love the products, but I think I kind of hate the hobby.

It's things like this. Things where the industry itself is not just a sport, but a narrative. You have to have your good guys and bad guys, your plot twists and your presentation. Who are the good guys? Well, the guys you like. Who are the bad guys? The guys you don't like. And when the good guys do anything, hooray. When the bad guys do anything, how terrible.

And it's...weird. Because I've been racking my brain for the last year or so to realize if my hobby has changed or if I have. Was there ever a time where not liking something was not a personal offense to oneself? Did the existence of the 3DO bother me the way that people who don't like Nintendo, or Sony, or Microsoft, or Japanese games, or American games, or whatever seem to feel? Or is it an even weirder, even deeper level of psychosis where we're only reacting this way because it's the internet and we have to scream louder and more aggressively to get anyone to pay attention to our feelings?

I came to the realization a few months back that I basically grew up with video games and my generation may be the first one where we can say that. I grew up talking about Final Fantasy VIII with longful anticipation on message boards for gaming magazines. This is the world in which I was essentially raised and I doubt I'm the only one. Where, then, did we lose the ability to like and dislike things without putting our beings in to it? Was it recent?

I don't know. I see things like the OP saying he was depressed for three days because he had to move the controller in Zelda (a design choice I didn't like, but I still got out of bed the next day) and had to get the system out of his house and I just go back to thinking about how much of a narrative the gaming community has become, where we have to exaggerate our claims and be dramatic because that's just the way the story goes. Perhaps if I weren't so used to it, I'd get the hell out.

This. Every other day there seems to be a thread(in particular Nintendo ones) where they treat Games and Systems with absolute adoration and love or pure hatred like they killed their babies or something.

However, if people spoke rationally like you then I suspect NeoGaf would be a lot less talkative. That and I suspect people go overly hyperbolic just for attention and their posts to get noticed because a lot of the time the reasonable people/posts are ignored in threads. In particular I can think of most recognizable people on GAF can be describes as people who force and fiercly defend their opinion on anything and anyone who disagree, I can think of a certain poster who walks into an anti-Nintendo thread and anyone seen not agreeing with the OP is a part of the Nintendo Defense Forse(NDF), others who with the smallest amount of bad news combust and have mental breakdowns, etc.

 

[Icanplaythat]

I don't think that zealousness, especially when tied to deeply emotional triggers, should be confused for "love" of a hobby or the importance of it.

I mean, if that is the new definition, if video games are only important to someone if we become emotionally dependent on their highs and lows, then that's not a definition I want to be a part of. But even if we're acting like it is, if the community has truly gone to the point where video game opinions are more than just the things we prefer and do not, it does not mean we have to stay this way.

Here's an example. I really disliked Borderlands. If I made a thread today talking about how much I disliked it, I would not say that the game depressed me because of its design decisions, I would not be angry at Gearbox for the way they failed to design a good battle system. I just didn't like the game and I'm capable of analyzing why I didn't like it, and what I would like to see fixed, without losing myself to emotion.

Another example, this time hypothetical. You go to a movie board and someone says that Love, Actually is a terrible film. Which, okay, that's actually not unreasonable. But then the actual thread is about how Rowan Atkinson broke their heart with a speaking role, how he never plans to see another movie again with Emma Thompson because her poor performance betrayed him. We'd all think that's totally batshit crazy, right? But here, in the gaming community, that's just par for the course.

And that may be the craziest thing of all.

That would be different than my argument; I did not criticize the games I played, because the Wiimote prevented me from enjoying them. A better scenario would be if Borderlands only supported the Novint Falcon and you could not experience any real portion of the game because the controller was off-putting.

 

[Icanplaythat]

I'm not, but I'm just surprised he doesn't just get the GC version or something.

I have it, but 4:3 is bullshit when a 16:9 version exists.

 

[airmangataosenai]

I wouldn't go as far as broken but during some of the tutorials for new techniques (Especially ones involving motion controls for the nunchuck) I was at a loss more than once as to how to get it to work properly. And during combat I can't tell you how many times I accidentally did a spin attack when I didn't mean to.

 

[RagnarokX]

I can't see where the mouses laser is, plus I'm not pointing the mouse at the screen. Could you imagine pointing the mouse at what you believe to be the dead center of your PC monitor and having it be a few inches off, annoying.

But the wiimote has a cursor just like a mouse, so you use it just like a mouse. It's extremely intuitive.