I'm also looking forward to getting N. American and European hardware sales graphs from Iwata's presentation
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Nintendo FY11/12: losses smaller than expected ($532 M), 3DS misses forecast again
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I'm also looking forward to getting N. American and European hardware sales graphs from Iwata's presentation
I'm also looking forward to getting N. American and European hardware sales graphs from Iwata's presentation
We know about American sales: 660k between January - March. But I'm with you in anticipating European Hardware Sales.
michaelius
Banned
True - Japanese release list makes the western schedule look like a friggin joke.
MaxwellGT2000
Member
Actually looking at expected vs actual results looked fairly positive and outlines the minor problem going on.
Look at the numbers.
Take away the surplus of NDS sales, expected was 2.5 actual was 5.1, double what they wanted/expected, take that 2.6, add it to 3DS, that would put it right near expected numbers on the 3DS.
I noticed this a couple of weeks ago, if North America and Europe saw the 3DS as the "DS" system to invest in, then the sales shift would pretty much put America and Europe on par with Japan adoption, and then it would meet sales expectations.
Other than that software seems to be doing fairly well, that probably helped their losses.
Look at the numbers.
Take away the surplus of NDS sales, expected was 2.5 actual was 5.1, double what they wanted/expected, take that 2.6, add it to 3DS, that would put it right near expected numbers on the 3DS.
I noticed this a couple of weeks ago, if North America and Europe saw the 3DS as the "DS" system to invest in, then the sales shift would pretty much put America and Europe on par with Japan adoption, and then it would meet sales expectations.
Other than that software seems to be doing fairly well, that probably helped their losses.
Bruno MB
Member
The poor performance of 3DS in the West is nothing unexpected. The only thing I find weird is its Americas and Others software sales comparing to Japan in this last quarter.
By the way, Super Mario 3D Land + Mario Kart 7 + The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time 3D + nintendogs and cats = 36% of 3DS total software sales.
By the way, Super Mario 3D Land + Mario Kart 7 + The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time 3D + nintendogs and cats = 36% of 3DS total software sales.
So far, we have
NSMB2 - August
Brain Training - Summer ( so, August / September)
Animal Crossing: Jump Out - Fall
Especially seeing what they expect on the software front saleswise, we can say that, at 90%, Animal Crossing won't be the only big Nintendo title for the Holidays.
NSMB2 - August
Brain Training - Summer ( so, August / September)
Animal Crossing: Jump Out - Fall
Especially seeing what they expect on the software front saleswise, we can say that, at 90%, Animal Crossing won't be the only big Nintendo title for the Holidays.
redblack85
Member
Hi Mpl90
Yeah, they all say that.
europe was a growing market last gen, while japan shrunk. also, nintendo has historically not done so well in europe, which was weird that they did well last gen (sega was huge in europe and still is somewhat popular- and sony essentially replaced sega as the go-to hardware manufacturer there).
Coppertracks
Member
Dem Pokemon DS sales.
Combine DP/HGSS/BW and you get a whopping 44,720,000 copies sold. Add Platinum, which last I heard had sold 7 mil, you get 52 MILLION. We can probably safely assume BW2 will push at least 10 million, so that's at least 60 million Pokemon games will have been sold on the DS by the time it dies. Insane. Just wait until that juggernaut properly hits 3DS.
And all that from what basically amounts (or reduces) to 3 games. 1 of which is a remake!
Combine DP/HGSS/BW and you get a whopping 44,720,000 copies sold. Add Platinum, which last I heard had sold 7 mil, you get 52 MILLION. We can probably safely assume BW2 will push at least 10 million, so that's at least 60 million Pokemon games will have been sold on the DS by the time it dies. Insane. Just wait until that juggernaut properly hits 3DS.
And all that from what basically amounts (or reduces) to 3 games. 1 of which is a remake!
They should just discontinue the DS and be done with it.
MaxwellGT2000
Member
Probably the most effective way to get the result they want in all honesty, not like they can't sell DS titles still while the 3DS is around.
3DS really can't afford to miss out on localizations of major titles. It doesn't matter if they would normally be seen as too niche, the system needs games, and they're only really coming from Japan.
Exactly, and it's the only thing they can do to make Pokemon B/W 2 help 3DS.
3DS will soon be going profitable, so now is the time to start clearing those DS systems out of retail.
michaelius
Banned
Not really. It's a matter of perception - you have NPD which reports numbers for USA and big software there goes into milions and only fragmented occasional data from Europe.
ScreenSplitter
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New Super Mario Bros 2 is a massive system seller. It will be pretty big for the 3DS.
Then Animal Crossing in Fall/Winter. It's not as big a seller, but it still made the Wii's best seller list and is very popular.
Then Animal Crossing in Fall/Winter. It's not as big a seller, but it still made the Wii's best seller list and is very popular.
It's all right. But they need something MORE for this Holiday. I'm betting something between Zelda and DKCR. Yes, counting Luigi's Mansion and the possible Paper Mario too.
Animal Crossing is a very good seller and as Mario Kart, has a very good legs.
So, on a doomed-scale, how many doomeds is that? x2?
but serious: report isn't really bad, but they really need to step up their game on 3DS up, signifcantly lower the prices for old DS models and bring more games over.
let's hope they gear into attack-mode with the WiiU. 3DS panic attack was really working but lost momentum pretty fast.
WiiU/3DS Combo commercials! :3
but serious: report isn't really bad, but they really need to step up their game on 3DS up, signifcantly lower the prices for old DS models and bring more games over.
let's hope they gear into attack-mode with the WiiU. 3DS panic attack was really working but lost momentum pretty fast.
WiiU/3DS Combo commercials! :3
ScreenSplitter
Member
With NSMB, AC, and Luigi's Mansion too, I'm not entirely sure how much more they need.
I doubt Zelda has been in development that long, but DKCR would be a nice surprise. They don't want to put all their eggs in one basket/holiday season though.
No. They should kill them off. They should do everything they can to push more people to 3DS in the west.
3DS panic-attack is still going in Japan. They just don't care about America in the same way.
NoA really need restructuring.
Luigi's Mansion isn't such a big seller. There must be something else. Maybe they'll even delay Paper Mario to 2013.
MaxwellGT2000
Member
Agreed 100% drop DS, promote B/W2 for the 3DS like they did with Gold/Silver for the GBC, and hit it out the park.
Also yes they really need to have at least one weekly release on the 3DS at retail, I mean gamers are looking, it has given me chances to buy eShop titles, but I really want more retail games. I kinda wouldn't mind trying some of those very Japanese titles like Project Mirai or Gundam 3D battle in down times like these.
i don't know. The DS brought a nice income in software and they could continue that. But who's gonna buy a DSi when it cost the same as a 3DS... Or a DSiLL which costs EVEN MORE!
fake edit:
i just realized...they ARE killing them off...silent...nintendo ninja style.
well, just kill them officially then.
ScreenSplitter
Member
I never explicitly remember them saying Paper Mario would be 2012 anyway.
In a way it's really short sighted of Game Freak to keep on trucking with the DS. Don't know how much control Nintendo has over what they do, but either way someone at GF is getting a very persuasive email.
At least, they're releasing those Pokèmon apps on 3DS. I'm sure they'll promote them at the tail of BW2 commercials.
RamzaIsCool
The Amiga Brotherhood
So the Wii moved 820M software units to date. For comparison the PS2 did 1.5B+ and the PS3 will be at 600M+ at the end of last quarter. The interesting thing will be if the PS3 can catch up to the Wii. The PS3 shown growth YoY and will move around 160M this fiscal year. So it will gain 60M. With rapid declining Wii software sales, that number might be bigger next fiscal year. And the PS3 still hasn't hit the <$200, so who knows how much juice is left.
KillerMan91
Member
Pretty low shipments for 3DS. PS3 could be best selling console at the moment. Also damn DS is dying fast. PS2 already started to outship it. Just year ago it looked so certain that DS would overtake PS2. Never seen leading system to die so fast.
Its because its not much cheaper than the 3DS and I think the most people who want to buy a DS atm will just pay some $ more and get the successor.
It sold over 5 million copies in Japan.
One thing I remember during the 3DS launch -- Seeing huge cardboard displayers of Pokemon Black / White which to me sent a very mixed signal. Their biggest franchise on an older system, coming out the same month as their new portable. So Pokemon Black / White 2 is a DS game? Forgive me for not keeping up with that series but that's just stupid. Do whatever minimal improvements necessary to put it on 3DS, Nintendo.
JosephManderley
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Nintendo Europe really needs to do a better job of getting retailers to stock their products here in Poland.
You rarely see Wii or 3DS anywhere here. I have to buy Wii games online as no shops in my area really stock them (A big Tesco 50km away had a choice of 2 Wii games last time I went there - Driver and Wii Play Motion.) The electrical shop closest to my home has a big Vita / PSP display, but the shop assistant didn't know what a 3DS was when I asked about it.
Nintendo will never be big here if they can't get their products onto shelves!
You rarely see Wii or 3DS anywhere here. I have to buy Wii games online as no shops in my area really stock them (A big Tesco 50km away had a choice of 2 Wii games last time I went there - Driver and Wii Play Motion.) The electrical shop closest to my home has a big Vita / PSP display, but the shop assistant didn't know what a 3DS was when I asked about it.
Nintendo will never be big here if they can't get their products onto shelves!
DS software development won't harm 3DS hardware performance so long as there's no weighty incentive to buy a DS over a 3DS. Nintendo could have continued to push DS hardware to maximise short-term profit, but they prioritised the long-term health of 3DS by lowering its price to not-much-above DS. They essentially killed off DS at the price cut. I don't think anyone can reasonably argue that DS is cannibalising 3DS.
The_lascar
Member
Girls, like Nintendogs.
I'm too lazy to translate, but here is some charts.
Nintendo Net income by fiscal year
Nintendo Net sales by fiscal year
Nintendo hardware shipment by fiscal year
Nintendo software shipment by fiscal year
Nintendo geographical net sales by fiscal year
(Full article in french)
radioheadrule83
Banned
God damn,
Anyone remember the days when we wondered if DS could even live up to the expectations of GBA? The gear shift with Wii and DS was amazing
Anyone remember the days when we wondered if DS could even live up to the expectations of GBA? The gear shift with Wii and DS was amazing
AceBandage
Banned
Almost had a 20 year plan on those things.
test_account
XP-39C²
It probably include Gameboy Color which was released late in 1998, but still a long time indeed.
Coppertracks
Member
According to that chart people are still buying GBAs in 2012?!
Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
test_account
XP-39C²
There is actually a tiny line on top of the graph in 2012, looks like the color of the GBA.
EDIT: Oops, i looked at the graph for games, not hardware =)
The_lascar
Member
Games, not systems.
The craziest thing from Nintendo is probably this:
Fiscal year 2003-2004, hardware shipment.
N64: 0
SNES: 10 000
NES: 30 000