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[wildfire]

I remember last year there was a rumor about Nintendo interested in Sharp's LCD tech and it stood out because of how dumb it sounded.

In retrospect Nintendo might be interested in the free form display to mold an armband or watch device for their quality of life program but maybe they are also trying to make a comfortable form factor for a VR device.

 

[cws]

I don't see "2015" anywhere in his post.

"That's how important an advance VR is."

He is talking about now. 5 or 10 years from now when it's a accepted standard it might be a different situation all together.

 

[Hexa]

I don't doubt that there are many people more knowledgeable on the subject than I. however comparing VR to online gaming? HDTVs? smartphones? yeahhhhh....nope.

Its definitely going to be bigger than online gaming imo. Bigger than HDTVs as well. Bigger than smart phones... maybe. VR/AR is probably the biggest technological/social leap since smart phones actually so that's actually a good comparison.

 

[phanphare]

Petualnt and childish. A well reasoned response from someone who obviously doesn't even care to research the subject you are speaking on. Well argued and well sourced, I can't wait for more from you on technology of the future.

your thesaurus has done you wrong

 

[Deadpool_X]

Man, remember when 3d TVs were going to change everything? The gaming AND film industry were so sure of it. Like everything else that isnt necessary, it ended up going by the wayside a few years after it released to the mass public. VR will do the exact same. There is a lot of hype for it now, because it isn't widely available, but when it is released to the public, and once the pricetags are seen for entry, the average consumer will reply with a collective "meh".

 

[gunslikewhoa]

I really don't think VR is comparable to those. They improve what we had, whereas VR is just an alternative that many won't find preferable. It'll always have an audience but I can't see VR surviving in the mainstream as more than a fad.

VR improves upon what we currently have.

 

[Pie and Beans]

I agree with him.
This is hyperbole talk at the moment.

VR is at this point not a social shared experience and thus won't go mainstream by getting those who don't play to play. It cuts you off the surroundings.

And I'm excited about VR and can't wait to try it out but I don't think it'll become mainstream like the other technologies mentioned.

Time to get caught up.

-Morpheus shows what the HMD user is seeing on an HDTV for others to join in.

-Valve's Lighthouse and Vive has sensors that scan your room to avoid disasters and show you in-game if youre getting close to walls etc.

-Lighthouse+Vive also supports multiple HMD wearers in the same room.

-What is more social than occupying another reality with other people online from thousands of miles away and feeling their presence as if they were in the room with you?

Most VR doubt comes either from ignorance or a very strange fear of change. VR isn't just some "oh, things stick out more from the screen" gimmick suitable only for entertainment. It is the manipulation of our eyes in a 3D environment which will allow entirely new ways to be productive, learn, and experience.

People in this thread may well laugh at Tobor comparing VR to colour television or the internet, but it'll be the kids of 2020 onwards that laugh at short sighted grandad/grandma for ever doubting what was coming.

 

[Cheeseman Battitude]

Nintendo doing AR like Hololens would make more sense. Imagine Toad's Treasure Tracker on your living room coffee table that you can spin round or move closer to for a better look, and then your friends or family each with a headset can see the same thing.

Or you could have Excitebike with a track editor that you could build on your floor just like a Scalextric.

 

[VoidVR]

Given how behind the times they are, they will probably release a revolutionary 720p VR headset in 2020. We will be watching the ads for it in the matrix by then.

 

[Oxirane]

3DS already has AR content, everyone else is playing catch up.

Strap it to your head and you have a crappy Hololens (without see through AR).

 

[xaszatm]

Why don't you do a little research and read what developers, press, and hardware manufacturers both in the games industry and out of the industry have to say about it. Read about medical apllications, production line applications and engineering operations have to say about it. There is some serious momentum behind it from smart people with valid and succusfull projects in the games industry and out. They might know more than you. Hard to believe I know.

Is there serious momentum? Yes. Will it catch on? Eventually. But, if we assume that the Nintendo 2017 new console rumors are true, isn't it smarter for Nintendo to wait until their new console releases before unveiling a VR/AR device for their consoles?

Furthermore, you honestly believe that the world will automatically pick up VR within the year? And I'm saying this as someone who truly believes that AR and VR will become commonplace within 20 years.

 

[GhostTrick]

soon...

Hey, don't be laughing !
I tried that with my Archos VR thing... I lost an eye in the process.
But it's funny to know that Wii U's gamepad has nearly everything to be a VR device.

 

[Haunted]

Was color television a gimmick? Was the Internet a gimmick?

That's how important an advance VR is.

I suppose time will tell.

 

[phanphare]

Most VR doubt comes either from ignorance or a very strange fear of change.

actually my doubts for VR are as shallow as can be. it requires too much from the average consumer.

 

[Bob White]

I really don't think VR is comparable to those. They improve what we had, whereas VR is just an alternative that many won't find preferable. It'll always have an audience but I can't see VR surviving in the mainstream as more than a fad.

But it could be. Sony/facebook/valve are putting a lot of money into this shit. If Nintendo have no hooks at all into VR, they will be assed out for years in terms of mind share if it explodes.

Kinda like now...

 

[gunslikewhoa]

"That's how important an advance VR is."

He is talking about now. 5 or 10 years from now when it's a accepted standard it might be a different situation all together.

You're arguing semantics and seeing what you want to see.

 

[SMattera]

This will be a hilarious topic to dig up in 10 years.

I always found it odd that, despite the video game medium's inherent technological properties, so many gamers are so skeptical of new technology. Perhaps it's just the ones that post on forums.

Really, I think Nintendo would be the company best positioned to succeed in a VR world. It almost seems too perfect, tailor made specifically for them.

VR is going to combine hardware and software in a way we've never seen before. New peripherals; new hardware that directly influences gameplay. If ever there was a market for an integrated hardware/software to succeed, it's VR. It's going to need its Super Mario Bros moment, and Nintendo seems the one best positioned to deliver on that. There's a reason Microsoft dropped $2.5B on Minecraft.

 

[Mihos]

I figure around this time next year, Apple will 'invent' VR and everyone will think it is the best thing ever.

 

[marlowesghost]

your thesaurus has done you wrong

Now you just look small.

 

[Peltz]

Same reason they don't do sim racers, sim sports, military shooters, games with hollywood esque production values like Mass Effect, The Last of Us etc; it's not their thing.

VR takes gaming in the opposite direction they're heading, it's not a tool that helps Nintendo evolve their style of gameplay.

I don't know if I agree with you. Could you imagine Metroid Prime in VR? Star Fox? That robot game Miyamoto is making? Nintendo definitely could also definitely deliver compelling content for such a device that is social and family friendly.

 

[boltz]

because it is a gimmick. "gimmick" isn't a dirty word, you know.

Gimmick has a negative connotation, so it is a "dirty" word.

Not that I have any experience with VR or care about it right now, but when you have several major companies working on it, it looks like it could a major impact.

 

[Jamix012]

But it could be. Sony/facebook/valve are putting a lot of money into this shit. If Nintendo have no hooks at all into VR, they will be assed out for years in terms of mind share if it explodes.

Kinda like now...

There was A LOT of money put into 3D movies too, but that doesn't mean mass-market consumers wanted it.

 

[gunslikewhoa]

This will be a hilarious topic to dig up in 10 years.

I'll be digging this up in two years.

 

[Pie and Beans]

actually my doubts for VR are as shallow as can be. it requires too much from the average consumer.

Too much what, money? Headsets will retail for around $300-$350. Half the price of an HDTV, tablet, or smartphone that consumers pay for willingly and excitedly to consume entertainment on.

Too much effort? To slip a device onto their head like any child whose ever worn swimming goggles or woodwork goggles can achieve like second nature? To use their arms with tracking controllers just as society went crazy for with Wii motion control, but now totally immersed in that reality?

The only "too much" for VR is the "too much change" fearful folks. Apt comparisons of course to things like television, computers, and the internet.

 

[Peltz]

This will be a hilarious topic to dig up in 10 years.

I always found it odd that, despite the video game medium's inherent technological properties, so many gamers are so skeptical of new technology. Perhaps it's just the ones that post on forums.

Really, I think Nintendo would be the company best positioned to succeed in a VR world. It almost seems too perfect, tailor made specifically for them.

VR is going to combine hardware and software in a way we've never seen before. New peripherals; new hardware that directly influences gameplay. If ever there was a market for an integrated hardware/software to succeed, it's VR. It's going to need its Super Mario Bros moment, and Nintendo seems the one best positioned to deliver on that. There's a reason Microsoft dropped $2.5B on Minecraft.

I 100% agree with everything you said here.

 

[Natureboy99]

VR is getting overwhelmingly positive press from all angles. Nintendo would have to reach new levels of stupid to not consider including it on their next console. Please Nintendo... VR needs you

 

[akidnamededdy]

Didn't Miyamoto say recently that VR is neat but it kind of isolates you by sticking your head in a helmet and Nintendo isn't really about isolating players from each other like that or something?

To he honest I'm still skeptical of VR. The fact that now everybody and their mother is working on a headset makes it feel like it'll be another flash in the pan kinda thing that ends up not really mattering in five years anyway. The next 3D Tv if you will. When is any of this even gonna be at retail?

 

[Bob White]

Maybe nintendo will let sony get hit with the first major lawsuit before they jump in. Or maybe they'll put auto dimmers into their VR headset that slowly lowers the brightness on the headset until it cuts off automatically at the hour of game play mark.

Hire me, Iwata. I got your back.

 

[KojiKnight]

Stop with the gimmicks, Nintendo!

Nintendo, why aren't you jumping on the gimmick bandwagon?!

This is pretty much what I got from this conversation too.

 

[……forgetit]

..but they are though...

AR and VR aren't the same thing.

 

[Jamix012]

I'll be digging this up in two years.

Yeah, please do. Some people will be laughing one way or another, and I think I know which side I want to be on.

 

[Kai Dracon]

It's as if in all the excitement over Valve's Lighthouse, nobody is wondering whether the average consumer, or even average game player, will have the desire or capability to devote a large space in their home to what is effectively a VR lab just to play a game.

Smartphones, tablets, computers, and game consoles integrate with practical life considerations pretty well and don't get in the way. And HDTV is just a matter of replacing the television that already had a role with a new version.

VR has long been the golden dream of the technologist. Still, there are unavoidable hurdles to making it something that could be considered mainstream. Just the physical requirements of VR make it something that a significant number of people will never be able to use in their own homes.

In fact, to give Microsoft credit where it is due, there's a good reason to invest first in AR over VR. Strategies for integrating AR into real life may end up having a clearer road ahead in the near future.

 

[7DollarHagane]

I really think there is a more than reasonable chance that it's the next 3D TV fad that will come and go quickly.

It has promise but i'm not going to pretend like it's anything but a super longshot chance that the mainstream picks up on it.

 

[StevieP]

Too much what, money? Headsets will retail for around $300-$350. Half the price of an HDTV, tablet, or smartphone that consumers pay for willingly and excitedly to consume entertainment on.

Too much effort? To slip a device onto their head like any child whose ever worn swimming goggles or woodwork goggles can achieve like second nature? To use their arms with tracking controllers just as society went crazy for with Wii motion control, but now totally immersed in that reality?

The only "too much" for VR is the "too much change" fearful folks. Apt comparisons of course to things like television, computers, and the internet.

TVs and smartphones are necessities.

 

[Pyrokai]

I'm not trying to be an ass, but how does everyone here seem to know that VR will take off in the same vein as HDTVs? I'm legitimately curious. Everyone seems to be so confident it will be the next big thing that will change everyone's lives the way TV or the Internet did.

Maybe it's lack of confidence, but I would never be so sure about something. It's a very radical departure from how we absorb media today, and--in my opinion--could either take off the way everyone is saying, or it could be totally rejected by the public at large.

 

[Mihos]

Just the physical requirements of VR make it something that a significant number of people will never be able to use in their own homes.

Most people have a smart phone... that is all you need for everything except high end gaming. I would fully expect a headset that stands alone, running android for the main functions of virtual presence, sports, live performance stuff, with light gaming like what is on the GearVR already.... but also have an input port that can be tethered to a PC/console for the higher end stuff if you want it.

I also expect that device to be announced this year.

I'm not trying to be an ass, but how does everyone here seem to know that VR will take off in the same vein as HDTVs? I'm legitimately curious. Everyone seems to be so confident it will be the next big thing that will change everyone's lives the way TV or the Internet did.

Maybe it's lack of confidence, but I would never be so sure about something. It's a very radical departure from how we absorb media today, and--in my opinion--could either take off the way everyone is saying, or it could be totally rejected by the public at large.

no one 'knows'... but a good portion of us already have these devices and think it would be an absolute travesty if it just gets dismissed as 'another version of 3D' simply for the sake of cynicism.

 

[gunslikewhoa]

Yeah, please do. Some people will be laughing one way or another, and I think I know which side I want to be on.

The wrong side, it would appear.

I want to be on the side where this awesome new technology is an amazing success. People who hope it will fail...yeah. I don't understand you.

 

[akidnamededdy]

TVs and smartphones are necessities.

I don't know if you can call anything that was more or less invented in 2007 a necessity.

Spoiler

Smartphones were technically around longer than that but they were prohibitively expensive and not exactly what you're probably thinking of when you hear "smartphone" today.

 

[cmChimera]

Stop with the gimmicks, Nintendo!

Nintendo, why aren't you jumping on the gimmick bandwagon?!

Lol this.

That said, even if Nintendo was working on VR, they aren't really the type to talk about it until they have a tangible product they are hyping up. If their next venture was VR, they'd tell us when it was almost ready, and not 2-3 years before release.

 

[Ricky 7]

They probably want to try something different with their next console. I think their done with bandwagon jumping after the 3DS and Wii U.

 

[Horsemama1956]

VR doesn't interest me at all until we get Holodeck style. I really do not want to wear goofy looking goggles and run in place like a jackass. I think the Hololens stuff will take over since it's something everyone can use, you don't need to wear anything and it's cheaper. VR as it is now is pretty gimmicky.

Can you imagine a family of 5+ all buying and wearing goggles? Atleast the AR stuff is simple(and probably all most people want anyways).

 

[phanphare]

Too much what, money? Headsets will retail for around $300-$350. Half the price of an HDTV, tablet, or smartphone that consumers pay for willingly and excitedly to consume entertainment on.

Too much effort? To slip a device onto their head like any child whose ever worn swimming goggles or woodwork goggles can achieve like second nature? To use their arms with tracking controllers just as society went crazy for with Wii motion control, but now totally immersed in that reality?

The only "too much" for VR is the "too much change" fearful folks. Apt comparisons of course to things like television, computers, and the internet.

yes, too much money and effort for the very reasons you specified. VR is not an HDTV. it is not a smart device. those products are almost necessities for the average consumer. VR will not approach that level.

 

[wbEMX]

They can't fucking afford a project like that. They have trouble just barely keeping their head above water. Granted, they are doing better, but in no way, shape, or form good enough to sink funds into VR development.

Oh, hey, look, another "Nintendo has no money" post. They still have the biggest money reserves of all the gaming companies. And the loss is not very significant thanks to the 3DS, so there is still more than enough room to realise VR financially.

The problem rather is that consoles are not really tailored for VR imho. They just don't have the power for something like 1080p/120fps, like Morpheus will try to achieve. It's near impossible right now for the PS4, it sure as hell is impossible on the Wii U and if they try to achieve good VR on their next platform... well, it'll be a monster of a console, with a very expensive price point. Hardware is the current problem with VR, not the money. If you want convincing VR with no eye strain, you need very high frame rates on a high resolution at best. Now THAT will be the biggest breakthrough challenge for console VR. If Nintendo manages to achieve these goals someday with a hypothetical VR project, then I will tip my hat. The potential is there.

 

[Sterok]

I'm sure they're looking into it and seeing if it is appropriate for their next console and games they want to make. If they think they can make it work at a cost-effective price, they'll go for it. If not, they'll let the other tech companies trip over each other as the kinks and realities of VR are worked out. They could do it if they had the will, but they may feel it's not in their best interest to jump into the field yet.

 

[Principate]

Time to get caught up.

-Morpheus shows what the HMD user is seeing on an HDTV for others to join in.

-Valve's Lighthouse and Vive has sensors that scan your room to avoid disasters and show you in-game if youre getting close to walls etc.

-Lighthouse+Vive also supports multiple HMD wearers in the same room.

-What is more social than occupying another reality with other people online from thousands of miles away and feeling their presence as if they were in the room with you?

Most VR doubt comes either from ignorance or a very strange fear of change. VR isn't just some "oh, things stick out more from the screen" gimmick suitable only for entertainment. It is the manipulation of our eyes in a 3D environment which will allow entirely new ways to be productive, learn, and experience.

People in this thread may well laugh at Tobor comparing VR to colour television or the internet, but it'll be the kids of 2020 onwards that laugh at short sighted grandad/grandma for ever doubting what was coming.

You what? You clearly didn't think that through, lag is a major and jarring in standard gaming, due to the poor internet infrastructure, and coding. Imagine experiencing that in VR, as well as the increased input latencies.

We are many, many years away from being able to achieve such realities for the mainstream at a competent level. Let alone significant increase hardware the average consumer needs to run VR in the first place.

Also why are you forgetting the cost of the VR device is likely the smallest expenditure in the whole deal. The expensive hardware the average consumer won't have is much larger expenditure. It's akin to expecting everyone to suddenly become high end pc gamers, things just don't work that way. The hardware jump in itself will take time.

 

[CaptainLoveline]

VR is getting overwhelmingly positive press from all angles. Nintendo would have to reach new levels of stupid to not consider including it on their next console. Please Nintendo... VR needs you

It'd be even dumber to jump on the bandwagon without any IPs to show for it, VR only works with first person games which Nintendo has none of them. Like I said before, Nintendo don't need it for any of their games.

Sure Metroid Prime with VR would be cool, but nobody would buy a VR set just for one game.

 

[cmChimera]

VR doesn't interest me at all until we get Holodeck style. I really do not want to wear goofy looking goggles and run in place like a jackass. I think the Hololens stuff will take over since it's something everyone can use, you don't need to wear anything and it's cheaper. VR as it is now is pretty gimmicky.

Can you imagine a family of 5+ all buying and wearing goggles? Atleast the AR stuff is simple(and probably all most people want anyways).

I want sword art online (without the actual death).

 

[Mihos]

You what? You clearly didn't think that through, lag is a major and jarring in standard gaming, due to the poor internet infrastructure, and coding. Imagine experiencing that in VR, as well as the increased input latencies.

We a many, many years away from being able to achieve such realities for the mainstream at a competent level. Let alone significant increase hardware the average consumer needs to run VR in the first place.

you are just simply wrong, especially about the hardware requirements.

It'd be even dumber to jump on the bandwagon without any IPs to show for it, VR only works with first person games which Nintendo has none of them. Like I said before, Nintendo don't need it for any of their games.

Sure Metroid Prime with VR would be cool, but nobody would buy a VR set just for one game.

Some of the best games in VR are isometric. And let Metroid Prime VR be announced and tell me their wouldn't be a 100+ page post of preorders.

 

[A Link to the Past]

It'd be even dumber to jump on the bandwagon without any IPs to show for it, VR only works with first person games which Nintendo has none of them. Like I said before, Nintendo don't need it for any of their games.

Sure Metroid Prime with VR would be cool, but nobody would buy a VR set just for one game.

Excite Truck, Metroid Prime, Punch-Out!!

 

[Pachimari]

Time to get caught up.

-Morpheus shows what the HMD user is seeing on an HDTV for others to join in.

-Valve's Lighthouse and Vive has sensors that scan your room to avoid disasters and show you in-game if youre getting close to walls etc.

-Lighthouse+Vive also supports multiple HMD wearers in the same room.

-What is more social than occupying another reality with other people online from thousands of miles away and feeling their presence as if they were in the room with you?

Most VR doubt comes either from ignorance or a very strange fear of change. VR isn't just some "oh, things stick out more from the screen" gimmick suitable only for entertainment. It is the manipulation of our eyes in a 3D environment which will allow entirely new ways to be productive, learn, and experience.

People in this thread may well laugh at Tobor comparing VR to colour television or the internet, but it'll be the kids of 2020 onwards that laugh at short sighted grandad/grandma for ever doubting what was coming.

Man I'm done here. It still cuts you off from other people at your place.
And you seem dead set on your opinion and that yours is the only right one.