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Nintendo Needs an Online Presence in Gaming Space. (PSN /Xbox Live Equivalent)
- Thread starter kenjigreat
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I like how you jump from one extremely disingenuous number (using the playerbase on a game the Wii U isn't even bought for) as proof that Ninty sucks to this.
11 million isn't a small number by any stretch. Yes, it is smaller than the PS4's sales, so? And 11 million is actually comparable to Xbox One sales. And considering Ninty's other sales revolving around the Wii U, including their complete domination of the handheld market, they're doing just fine.
I also like how you're going through any logic hoophole necessary to deny the success of the 3ds. "If they own a mobile system, it is not what they normally game on". Oh please. And Vita was a failure because it's just not a good handheld. It has barely any game noteworthy on it at all outside of what? Gravity Rush? Persona 4 Golden? There's one other game I can think of and I can't even recall the name of it. Ninty on the otherhand has the support and games down pat for that. Many of which are much longer than "minute to minute" as you describe. Hell, even Vita games were longer than minute pick-ups. 3DS is it's own console in a sense. Hand-held, yes. But it features plenty killer titles that are not just "pick up and put down".
This Nintendo bashing couldn't be more thinly veiled.
It's not a choice. Nobody walked up to Nintendo and presented two options: "You can remain a niche console for Nintendo fans, or you can get all the third-party support that your competitors have." The latter simply isn't an option.
People buy Nintendo consoles for Nintendo games. All they can really do is try to convert more people into being Nintendo fans. Maybe the mobile stuff will help with that. Maybe it'll help them to diversify their lineup a bit, which they've already done a little bit with Splatoon and Xenoblade X, but unfortunately both of those games are on an effectively dead platform. Hopefully they can get some of those kinds of games out there early on in the NX's life. If it's not backwards compatible, then I think it would be smart to just do some enhanced ports of some of the Wii U's major games in the first year of the NX: Smash (Complete edition with all DLC), Splatoon (with the promise of more maps rolling out after launch just like they did with the Wii U version), Xenoblade X. That would help give the system a bit of momentum.
Mihael Mello Keehl
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I didnt say it was read what I said
kenjigreat
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Can you read my entire thread . I don't think I have said one thing about the 3DS.
But you are trying to argue that who own mobile devices and Current gen consoles say ," Fallout 4 is coming out . Time to pull out my Handheld". -_-.
If you believe that people mainly game on mobile hand held systems then whatever. The gamecube is outpacing the Wii U , just saying.
11 Million is not a disingenuous no. it is the actual sales no. -_-.
I only used COD ghost because its the only game I can find with any actual statistics about the online player base which is what I'd like to discuss hence the thread title.
If you can find any other HARD no.s on player count feel free to add it . I googled for a while and can't find any.
For the record I do not need to Nintendo Bash , I feel nothing for Nintendo. I don't enjoy their games due to personal preference . Everyone has it. If anything you are the one Sony Bashing , I never said a single thing in this thread in regards to whether a system is good or bad. Only its sales .
I'm just saying they need a huge online player base to compete.
NippleViking
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A Nintendo console that nails these criterion, alongside affordability, is my dream. OP's example is bad, but the sentiment is so damn right. No one makes single-player games like Nintendo, yet I and many others will always follow where friends are first. There's a huge opportunity for a leg-up over the competition with a competent, and most significantly free online service.
astrogamer
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While their online services need a bit of work like notifying directly if a certain friend is on and some sort of communication/ invite system between friends through the service (instead of the current system of using the ingame menu to send game invites or trying to join a friend's lobby), the AAA audience has to be properly generated on the NX with games , not the service itself. Being free or not has little bearing when the player base doesn't get access to equal levels of content. For the case of Ghosts, people could determine that from Black Ops 2, that the game's population wasn't going to thriving enough for more particular game modes, the game wasn't getting the DLC and that very few of their friends use a Wii U to play CoD. And many just opt out because they only need one version of CoD per system for at least a while and the Nintendo audience is used to that with just one entry of Mario Kart, Smash and other multiplayer titles per system.
To build an audience supporting the mainstream multiplayer games, Nintendo would need to get other games that support that audience with all the content updates as well as building a lineup of online multiplayer focused titles with good lobby features. Getting just CoD gets very few. In the case of next year, it would getting stuff like Mass Effect Andromeda, Deus Ex, Resident Evil 7, the new Assassin's Creed as well as the yearly sports titles to supplement CoD and Battlefield with stuff like Mario Maker NX, Splatoon 2 and Mario Kart 9 with more involved online features coming from Nintendo
To build an audience supporting the mainstream multiplayer games, Nintendo would need to get other games that support that audience with all the content updates as well as building a lineup of online multiplayer focused titles with good lobby features. Getting just CoD gets very few. In the case of next year, it would getting stuff like Mass Effect Andromeda, Deus Ex, Resident Evil 7, the new Assassin's Creed as well as the yearly sports titles to supplement CoD and Battlefield with stuff like Mario Maker NX, Splatoon 2 and Mario Kart 9 with more involved online features coming from Nintendo
Great multiplayer games too. Too bad half or more aren't even online enabled.
kenjigreat
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Please Quote me something with ACTUAL Statistics with regard to the state of Nintendo's Online playerbase . I've searched for a while. They don't reveal Player no.s
Yes it is.
Way smaller.
It really isn't. Last estimates for Xbone sales put it around 15m. And the WiiU has had an extra year on the market. And the Xbone is still selling while the WiiU is basically done. It might have another 3-4m left in the tank but that's it.
Handheld market is boned.
You literally responded to someone pointing out 3DS sales with: "Well, people don't game on hand-helds anyway". Which is ridiculous and comes across as you attempting to deny the success of the 3ds. You also downplay the Vita's failure at the same time by arguing this same point as a defense for the Vita.
Not everyone plays the same games? You really just seem to lack a complete awareness of what games are even on handhelds if you describe them as "minute-long pick-ups". There's plenty of variety out there for everyone.
I didn't say that. I said you're denying the facts of the matter on how much the 3DS sells. Gamecube also has nothing to do with this part of your argument?
I didn't say 11 million was disingenuous either. All I said on that number is that that's not a small number at all. For someone asking me to read(and I have been), you really aren't doing the same for me at all. I said your attempt to claim Ninty has no online presence by utilizing the numbers in a game that literally no one is buying a Wii U for in the first place is disingenuous. Please don't twist my words.
That's just flat-out false. 3DS has been dominating and continues to sell insanely high numbers. More than the current-gen consoles combined.
kenjigreat
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I did not change my post from the previous page here is what I said about Mobile
Yes there are people who game on mobile but they do not game on mobile as their main gaming platform if they own consoles as you implied from your previous post
I gave the reason the Vita failed , YOU were the one calling it a bad handheld (The very definition of bashing By the way).
If you can pull any type of statistical metrics about Nintendo's Online Gaming Population be my guest , I've searched . Its the only reason I used Ghost as an Example. It has hard No.s on at least the ballpark of the player count.
Are you seriously arguing that Handheld is the main gaming platform , that people would rather pull out their handhelds than game on their home console or PC given the choice?
Actually they are really close .
3DS sold about 52 Million as of June 2015 and Released in 2011.
PS4 alone is around 30+ million at this point and it Released in Late 2013.
http://www.gamespot.com/articles/nintendo-3ds-sells-15-million-units-in-the-us-52-m/1100-6427993/
What sales numbers are you looking at?
LTD?
You're the one who has consistently been downplaying Ninty's success and started a topic doing so with disingenuous numbers. You then claimed the Vita failed because people don't game on handhelds. Which is flat-out false as the 3ds numbers show. People do game on handhelds. The Vita failed because of Nintendo's hold on the market and it's lack of games. That's become a thing with the Vita. That's not bashing, that's being honest about the Vita. It doesn't have a lot of games on it. Sony dropped the ball on it. For someone focused on numbers you sure seem to want to ignore them when they don't support you.
Again, as many have told you in this topic: using the numbers on a game no one is buying the system for as proof they don't have a online community is not going to give you a ball park number for what you've even trying to argue here. If you were to use say, numbers from Splatoon, Smash, Mario Kart, Mario Maker, etc. etc. it would be much more accurate as to the amount of people within the systems online community. Til then arguing they don't have online presence is just silly. And those games listed are quite popular on the console so....
The 3DS has more sales than/roughyl equal at best with all 3 current gen. systems combined. So, in a sense, yes. As someone who games on handheld, pc, and console, I feel it's accurate to argue that handheld is the dominant market in the purely sales sense.
I mean, it's been out since 2011, over two years before the PS4/Xbone released. It's a bit disingenuous to say the 3DS is outselling every next gen console combined when it regularly does less than the PS4 month to month.
Not at all. It's a fact of the matter. Combining the numbers of the current-gen consoles barely comes close to even edging out the 3DS. It's selling well and shows the hand-held market is doing more than just fine. Whether you want to accept that fact or not is your choice.
kenjigreat
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The 3DS has more sales than all 3 current gen. systems combined.
False/Unverifiable Statement.Seriously stop pulling No.s out of your butt .
Maybe in June when there were 47 million Current Gen Consoles source: http://n4g.com/news/1777335/ps4-vs-xbox-one-vs-wii-u-global-lifetime-sales-june-2015-update and the 3DS was at 52 Million : http://www.gamespot.com/articles/nintendo-3ds-sells-15-million-units-in-the-us-52-m/1100-6427993/
In the Past 6 months 6million+ PS4s were sold and no no.s are disclosed for Xbox One Only that it sold 1mil+ in November in the US.
If you were to use say, numbers from Splatoon, Smash, Mario Kart, Mario Maker, etc. etc. it would be much more accurate as to the amount of people within the systems online community.
Please Provide the No.s on the playerbase.
You then claimed the Vita failed because people don't game on handhelds.
Do I have to quote myself Again and Again I said people don't game on handhelds as their MAIN gaming platform as for why the Vita failed. People don't want full on console experience on their handheld.
The Vita failed because of Nintendo's hold on the market and it's lack of games. That's become a thing with the Vita. That's not bashing, that's being honest about the Vita. It doesn't have a lot of games on it.
Quote :"And Vita was a failure because it's just not a good handheld." Is what you said on the previous post and that is bashing.
You don't know how sales work. Let me help you out.
As per financial results for the last quarter, 3DS shipped 2.28m units. PS4 shipped 4m. PS4 is nearly outshipping 3DS 2:1 per quarter. It's the more successful platform. 3DS has been out for 2.5 years longer than the PS4. So it's LTD is currently higher. But it's pretty clear that the PS4 is going to blow past the 3DS with ease this generation. Xbone may not do it but it'll come close.
3DS is not a failure by any means, so you have no reason to bullshit numbers to make it look better than it is. It's easier to accept the fact that handhelds simply don't have the strength they used to.
kenjigreat
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Honestly I'll make a new thread just for him when the PS4 overtakes the 3DS in Sales.
MarkMclovin
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It's a second console, with the best games on.
kenjigreat
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Thats personal opinion and you are allowed to have your preference. Clearly its not enough to sell units.
Not false at all. If you don't like the numbers, that's your issue. 3DS is about equal to/little more/tiny little bit less than all 3 current gen. consoles combined. The 3DS has sold insanely well. June numbers put 3ds at 53 million. Combining the current knowns for consoles: 30, 15, 11 = 56 million +. That's without an update on the 3ds numbers.
I don't have those. Tried searching a bit ago myself but nothing really pops up. But they're definitely way more than a measly 900 on a game that the system isn't even bought for. The bigger point to bring up though is, why should Nintendo try to bring in numbers for a thing they never go for anyway? You mentioned before how Ninty needs to work on appealing to the "Triple A American Shooter" demographic and I fail to see the necessity in that. People play different things. Which is also my point with handheld that you've ignored. People enjoy different experiences.
Do I really have to point back to your hypocrisy in down-playing the success of the 3ds (and the amount of people who do game on it by proxy) and defense of the Vita? This is going nowhere.
I pointed out a fact about the system. It doesn't have games, it wasn't great because Sony dropped the ball on it. I said that on the very previous page-it lacked games- but you seem to only see what you want to see. I see loads of people acknowledge that flaw with the Vita all the time. I haven't 'bashed' anything. You on the otherhand have done whatever you can to argue that Nintendo isn't good. >_> But as stated prior this is going nowhere.
I never said the PS4 wasn't selling well. I said that you are both attempting to downplay the success of the 3DS and you're both continuing to do so.
kenjigreat
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Why do I need to defend the Vita , I don't even care about it .(I have a Vita) I game on my PS4 and High end PC mainly.
Please if you can find a quote of me saying the bolded words , I'd mail you 100million dollars.
Their games don't do anything for me personally . Its personal Preference , am I not allowed to have that.
So you Don't have no.s to back up Nintendo's Online playerbase. I'm wrong for using actual metrics from a game just because you don't like the game or the game isn't what people bought a Nintendo Console for.
Seriously Please Quote me trying to defend the Vita, I acknowledge its failure many post ago , you are the one desperately trying to defend the Wii U and its Online.
Jonneh3003
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The Wii U has the best online games this generation in my opinion with the likes of Splatoon, Mario Kart 8, Super Smash Bros, and Devil's Third. It's free too. The online interface for the console itself could be better with voice chat and such but the quality games are there and pretty much everyone has access to Skype on their phone. Not an excuse as they do need better online integration but I don't think its a huge deal. I like free things.
I'm not asking you to defend the Vita. I'm pointing out your hypocrisy in the matter. You defend the Vita on your own and argue that hand-helds don't matter and hand-wave away the success of the 3ds.
Nothing is bolded.
I never said you weren't allowed personal preference. I said different people enjoy different experiences precisely in defense of your hand-waving of handhelds/3ds/Wii U and enjoyment others have of said systems. I like how you're literally trying to turn something I said, in defense of gaming consoles you were mocking, back against me. I wasn't "attacking your preference". I'm literally arguing for people being able to enjoy what they want to enjoy, including you. You're the one who balked at people enjoying something on their handheld over Fallout 4. Are others not allowed their personal preference? Seriously, this hypocrisy is just becoming too much for me.
When you are literally using numbers from a game that no one buys a nintendo console for as proof that Nintendo has a small online playbase, yea. Your argument doesn't exactly work because no one is buying that game in the first place for said system. You can use those numbers if you want to get some sort of confirmation fallacy but it doesn't show real data on the online playerbase for the system. If and when there is data on Splatoon/Smash/Mario/etc. then the discussion would be more worthwhile. Even then I still fail to see why Nintendo NEEDS Triple A shooters on it's console. You didn't explain why that is a necessity.
kenjigreat
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The competition outsells their console 3x and 2xish respectively despite being released a year later?
Please Scroll to the 48th post of this thread where I literally say I already conceded the Vita failed. I never defended the Vita. At the same time I feel its pointless to bash it.
I'm not handwaving handhelds , Most people who own PC/ Nextgen consoles do not use handheld as their primary gaming platform. Do they game on it , Yes . Do they buy games on it , Yes.
When a console has a third sales and a less established online platform , its fair to say it has a weaker online base.
They do allow it. They just don't put it in all games.
In what universe is Xbox One's 15m "2x" Wii U's 11m?
kenjigreat
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You are taking that 15million No. from September . They Sold about 1million+ in November alone . I also used 2xish . Not 2x.
16-17m is nowhere near 2x 11m though?
This is irrelevant to the discussion anyway. Are we not meant to discuss Nintendo's online? Not the fact that the Wii U hasn't sold well which nobody would argue against?
kenjigreat
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It's neither near nor about
kenjigreat
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I would honestly post the actual No.
But
http://www.geek.com/games/microsoft-decides-not-to-share-xbox-one-sales-figures-anymore-1637833/
When you find out the actual sale no. I wouldn't have to use suffixes.
Xbox One hasn't sold 2x the Wii U first of all. Second of all, why should that matter exactly? They're still doing plenty fine doing their own thing.
Your concession came with a post explaining the reason for failure being that people don't game on handhelds primarily. Which is frankly somewhat false and reads as both a defense for the Vita and a downplaying of the success of the 3ds. I already explained this. As already stated, I didn't bash it. You can wish I did as much as you like but I didn't do any such thing. I pointed out it's main flaw-ie: it's lack of games. That combined with Nintendo's iron-hold on the handheld market just spells doom for the Vita.
Okay. If you say so.
I like how you use an ish but when I do the same to show the 3DS sales compared to the console combined sales, it deserves the highest of mockery. Even though my 3DS sales point is quite a bit more accurate than your 2x claim.
This isn't worth it anymore.
kenjigreat
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People who own multiple home consoles do not primarily game on handheld .
Second , I said People want to play AAA Quality titles on a home console where they can plug in their large TVs not on a handheld which Vita tried to do.
And Yes you did bash it . I don't need to requote every post. If you think Nintendo is doing fine you are entitled to your own opinion.
Completely Unverifiable and false without any backing or citations. Seriously don't go into any academic course.
Do you have comprehension skills? I use a suffix because they aren't releasing any data . Also you make claims about the 3DS sales point without any data .
When you make a CONCRETE Claim you back it up with Evidence .
You can always prove me wrong and pull out the Xbox One Sales no.s but they aren't on the internet . Otherwise I'd be using actual comparison no.s.
That is what you said , No room for ambiguity .
I like how you further claim I'm the one bashing something when I argued for people being able to simply enjoy what they want and you balked at someone enjoying a handheld game over something else. Again, I never bashed it. I explained why the system didn't work. It's lack of games and Nintendo's hold on the market.
I provided the numbers already. You ignored them. When you continue to act a hypocrite and claim it's okay for you to make such outlandish statements, I will point it out and grow tired of it. You attacked me over the numbers on the 3DS when that number is way more accurate than your 2x claim. The fact you are now resorting to insults of intelligence just further tells me this isn't worth the time.
When there are numbers that can be found on Splatoon/Smash/Mario/etc. then this topic will be worth the time.
kenjigreat
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LOL provided the No.s Scroll through and show link me where you provided a source for the sales figures of the Current 3DS Sales vs All the Current Gen Console sales.
If you want to make a claim and prove that it is without any sort of doubt you need to provide evidence. Its something seriously basic.
You have 0 Retort because you have No evidence and are content with making bold claims without backing them up.
Your starting sentence is a pathetic attempt at sarcasm by the way.
Try actually reading my posts. I provided the numbers above which are quite frankly based off of numbers you've already said in the topic and based on numbers I find in a two second google search on current known solidified sales of the consoles. Those numbers are what I used to reference my post in the first place. And you know the numbers, everyone does, so why you're trying so hard to act like there's no proof is just plain silly.
30 + 15 + 11 = 56 million.
3DS had a reported 53 million in June. That's 3 million less without an updated number on the 3DS. I have said numerous times now that the 3DS is little less/more/equal compared to current gen. consoles. Either way, it's still impressive sales for a handheld and far more accurate than your claim that 15 is 2xish that of 11. It's not even close to ish. Ish would be like 20 million.
I'm done with someone who resorts to insults at a moments notice and constantly edits their posts to include further insults. You edited in the basic line and the retort line after editing that basic one in.
Ahh, and you added in another insult while I had this one quoted. 3 insults edited in one after the other? Nice. Thanks.
kenjigreat
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So basically you are using BS Extrapolation to say something with absolute certainty.
You are using a the no. 15million from way back and 11 Million currently reported.
What a genius. You edited in Sarcasm , is that not an insult?
Nope. I'm just using the numbers we currently have reported. It's a fact of the matter. If you don't like that the numbers are as close as they are, that's your own issue. The further insults are entirely unnecessary.
kenjigreat
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You open with Sarcasm and close with sarcasm and claim I'm the one being insulting. You use No.s that are way out of date to compare with current No.s .(extrapolation is the process of estimating, beyond the original observation range, the value of a variable on the basis of its relationship with another variable.) Good Job .
Tyreese Victoria
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I think if Nintendo made a system competitively powerful with the new generation, they could start winning over Xbox/PS4 games with free online.
I haven't done any such thing. You on the otherhand have been using extremely personal insults for quite a while now as an argument and sarcasm, soooo yea.
I haven't used anything out of date either. I'm comparing all the current numbers we know. Numbers you yourself previously acknowledged as current. IE: 15, 11, and 30. Those compared to the current known for the 3ds: 53, show my claim to hold far more accuracy than you seem to be willing to admit. And obviously the 3ds would have sold more since then so the true comparison brings 3DS even closer to closing that gap.
BTW: I'm denying your bs claim. Precisely on the grounds that you seem to have an issue with me using those numbers and no issue yourself using them. I know what extrapolation is. But it certainly makes you feel better to insult me rather than actually address what I say, huh.
MatrixMan.EXE
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Ekai, stop. You're talking nonsense. The 3DS isn't dominating anything anywhere save for in Japan, and it's not selling 'insanely high numbers' either. Sure, it's LTD is around the same as the current gen consoles combined, but the system flat lined a while ago, and was released a year and 8 months before Wii U, and 2 years, 8 months before PS4/XB1. Your comparison is ludicrous and downright disingenuous.
kenjigreat
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Since when did I acknowledge 15million was current. I've been claiming that No. was out of date for a long time. Microsoft refuses to release current No.s.
11 Million is current because this article was published 10hrs ago: http://nintendoeverything.com/november-2015-npd-amiibo-surpasses-11-million-units-sold-in-the-us/
The last we heard from PS4 was http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2015-11/25/ps4-sales-figures-latest In Mid November.
53 million 3DS is NOT current . If you want to go to my comparison post I pulled out the June total Current Gen No.s against the 53 Million 3DS Sold in June. You do not compare sales no.s from months ago to current sales no.s
Xbox One sales figures are undisclosed because of
I would honestly post the actual No.
But
http://www.geek.com/games/microsoft-decides-not-to-share-xbox-one-sales-figures-anymore-1637833/
When you find out the actual sale no. I wouldn't have to use suffixes.
I posted it earlier , there are no current Xbone no.s same with the 3DS no.s so stop making shit up.
You do realise when you make a precise claim you have to back them up with sources right?
Here For The Free Feed
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never had a problem getting a game online of mario kart 8 (or smash, or splatoon, or cod for that matter) and thats all that i really care about. if theres 9000+ ppl online but only 8 can play in my lobby anyway then who cares.
It seems this thread is built on the premise of not knowing what a Wii U actually is.
It's no secret it crashed and burned straight out of the gate for numerous different reasons.
I have no idea what you're actually proposing in the thread other than "Nintendo is clearly lagging behind, specifically with AAA publisher relationships and sales". No shit Sherlock
It's no secret it crashed and burned straight out of the gate for numerous different reasons.
I have no idea what you're actually proposing in the thread other than "Nintendo is clearly lagging behind, specifically with AAA publisher relationships and sales". No shit Sherlock
UnemployedVillain
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Lol I have a hard time guessing if you play multiplayer games in PC...the only features Wii U is missing are a more robust friend chat/invite system, account login on other systems, cloud saves and dedicated servers and only the later 2 would really require you to pay money.
Just because you've been tricked my MS and Sony into paying for features that could be free doesn't mean everyone hasn't remembered these were free on PCs for years and still are