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Nintendo really does deserve to win this gen.

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MercuryLS

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Say what you want about Waggle and two GC's duct taped together but at least they made ONE SKU at a resonable price. No confusion, just one box for a low price. Remember that Sony/MS? Remember the last 20+ years when one system would come out in one configuration and you'd slowly pricedrop it over time?

Wii has its merits, but its getting a big boost from MS and Sony just constantly one-upping each other on who can be the bigger moron. By this time last gen both PS2 and Xbox were $200, this gen we've got $300 (tard pack so ignore this), $400, $480, $500, $600.

And then we've got Wii, $250. One configuration. Low price.

It isn't ****ing rocket science. Scrap next-gen, just start it over again please. This is too painful watch.
 
There is no confusion with the 360, the cheap one is shit and the more expensive ones are good.
 
Of course they deserve to win, consumer obviously want their products more than that of the competition, that makes them entitled to win.
 
karasu said:
omg there are two SKUS! I iz so confused!
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When I have to sit down and explain the different SKU's to my hardcore gaming friends there's a problem. People just want one good configuration at a good price.
 
In my opinion they still screwed us over. $250 and making a profit by giving us shitty last gen architecture? I don't understand how all the Nintendo fans are praising Nintendo as if they've made the best most courageous choices and have it had paid off, they are pretty much all that is wrong with the consumer society.

For $250, they could of _at least_ upgraded the machine so it was capable of Gamecube graphics in HD but even then they probably still would make a profit off the consoles. Nintendo screwed you, don't praise them for it.

I know opinions will passionately differ from mine, which is fine, but just know that I used to love Nintendo. Even though I had a NES and Commodore etc. the SNES is what made me fall in love with video gaming.
 
I agree. Any company that would stab it's core audience in the back is definitely the most cold ruthless evil empire, and deserves to win the corporate war.
 
Kabouter said:
Of course they deserve to win, consumer obviously want their products more than that of the competition, that makes them entitled to win.
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Good, maybe next-gen won't be as big of a **** up as this gen from MS/Sony.
 
Thunderbear said:
For $250, they could of _at least_ upgraded the machine so it was capable of Gamecube graphics in HD but even then they probably still would make a profit off the consoles. Nintendo screwed you, don't praise them for it.
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:lol :lol :lol

Lies are the fabric of gaf around E3. Never fails.
 
Thunderbear said:
In my opinion they still screwed us over. $250 and making a profit by giving us shitty last gen architecture? I don't understand how all the Nintendo fans are praising Nintendo as if they've made the best most courageous choices and have it had paid off, they are pretty much all that is wrong with the consumer society.

For $250, they could of _at least_ upgraded the machine so it was capable of Gamecube graphics in HD but even then they probably still would make a profit off the consoles. Nintendo screwed you, don't praise them for it.

I know opinions will passionately differ from mine, which is fine, but just know that I used to love Nintendo. Even though I had a NES and Commodore etc. the SNES is what made me fall in love with video gaming.
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I don't like the Wii, I don't even want the Wii until its sub-$100 but with the way MS/Sony have ****ed up this gen I want them to be so humbled that next-gen they won't be so ****ing stupid.
 
We have a system with one SKU that's relatively underpowered and wants to push tons of "accessories" (3 were just introduced in one conference) to go along with it.

We have a system with 3 SKUs. One shitty, one not quite as shitty, and one pretty decent. Yet, each is still lacking in many ways, including WiFi all the way around.

We have a system with 2 SKUs, feared soon to be one, phantom price drop, and wacky hilariously sad PR/Presidents.


Pick your poison this gen? Or just stick to DS/PC.
 
Thunderbear said:
In my opinion they still screwed us over. $250 and making a profit by giving us shitty last gen architecture? I don't understand how all the Nintendo fans are praising Nintendo as if they've made the best most courageous choices and have it had paid off, they are pretty much all that is wrong with the consumer society.

For $250, they could of _at least_ upgraded the machine so it was capable of Gamecube graphics in HD but even then they probably still would make a profit off the consoles. Nintendo screwed you, don't praise them for it.

I know opinions will passionately differ from mine, which is fine, but just know that I used to love Nintendo. Even though I had a NES and Commodore etc. the SNES is what made me fall in love with video gaming.
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Nintendo's job is not to make you happy. It's to make money. And if they somehow made a system with relatively low horse power that people were willing to pay $250 for (and the masses obviously are willing to pay that) then more power to them. Once again, not rocket science. I love it when people talk about Nintendo like they're your effing friend. They're a business.

It's not overpriced. I mean, in principle, and in relation to MS and Sony's systems, which are forcing them to eat money, sure, it's overpriced. But purely economically speaking, it's quite obvious that it's not overpriced. If you can sell a system for $250, to a larger amount of consumers than any of the competition, you do it.
 
Oh my god, two choices to pick from! How will I ever decide which one to buy? I got it, I just won't buy either one!
 
MercuryLS said:
I don't like the Wii, I don't even want the Wii until its sub-$100 but with the way MS/Sony have ****ed up this gen I want them to be so humbled that next-gen they won't be so ****ing stupid.
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You do realize that if they get crushed in that way they won't be as anxious to please the core gamer next-gen right?
 
jonezer4 said:
Nintendo's job is not to make you happy. It's to make money. And if they somehow made a system with relatively low horse power that people were willing to pay $250 for (and the masses obviously are willing to pay that) then more power to them. Once again, not rocket science.
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The real question is if Sony and MS made powerful systems last gen at $300, why couldn't they do it this gen (I know, what about the Core! Its a shit SKU that no one wants, it doesn't count). Things would be a lot different if X360 premium was the only X360 SKU at $300, but it isn't and they're dragging their feet when it comes to pricedrops cause Sony's ****ed up and they're so focused on them. PS3 is so bloated and over-engineered that it's priced out of the competition.

So what are people left with? A system like Wii that might be weak power-wise, but has a interesting gimmick and is a simple buy with its low pricepoint and 1 SKU strategy.
 
That's not what I would call a "resonable price."

Nothing that has appeared on that machine looks far beyond (or near) the AAA titles on the XBOX or PS2, despite all the technology know-it-alls saying that it's a better machine. Mario Kart looks just like the Gamecube game. Prime 3 looks just like the Gamecube games. Smashbrothers looks better than the previous version, but it's not that impressive. It looks better than the older game because the previous title was a launch game. There was a lot to build on. It has to look better. It has been... 6 years now? The only thing that is pleasant to look at is Galaxy, and that's just sort of near the bar that Rare reached with Conker. I'm not going to call it two "two GC's duct taped together," as you suggested, but they're overcharging for a machine that has not produced the type of visuals people claim it is capable of doing.
 
MercuryLS said:
I don't like the Wii, I don't even want the Wii until its sub-$100 but with the way MS/Sony have ****ed up this gen I want them to be so humbled that next-gen they won't be so ****ing stupid.
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I'm pretty sure Nintendo will release another wii-edition at some point. DVD playable? Bigger storage (1GB)? Who knows. The main difference to the competition: Even if there are two Wii-SKUs, the prize-cap won't be 100$ but more like 20 or 30$.
 
Nintendo's job is not to make you happy. It's to make money. And if they somehow made a system with relatively low horse power that people were willing to pay $250 for (and the masses obviously are willing to pay that) then more power to them.
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Yeah, everybody should care more about the fortunes of gigantic fucking corporations than what they personally want.

It's one thing to see people glad that Nintendo is staying in business, and something else entirely to see people supporting and praising Nintendo for earning the most money at the expense of their own interests.
 
How would a MS/Sony?Nintendo win if they didn't deserve it? There are 3 competitors.

If you make a product everybody wants more than the others then of course you deserve to win.
 
Kuroyume said:
That's not what I would call a "resonable price."

Nothing that has appeared on that machine looks far beyond (or near) the AAA titles on the XBOX or PS2, despite all the technology know-it-alls saying that it's a better machine. Mario Kart looks just like the Gamecube game. Prime 3 looks just like the Gamecube games. Smashbrothers looks better than the previous version, but it's not that impressive. It looks better than the older game because the previous title was a launch game. There was a lot to build on. It has to look better. It has been 6 years now? The only thing that is pleasant to look at is Galaxy, and that's just sort of near the bar that Rare reached with Conker. I'm not going to call it two "two GC's duct taped together," as you suggested, but they're overcharging for a machine that has not produced the type of visuals people claim it is capable of doing.
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Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand no one gives a **** about visuals.

1) It's cheaper than the other systems.
2) It has more percieved value than the other systems.
3) It has a gimmick that differentiates it from other systems.
 
MercuryLS said:
The real question is if Sony and MS made powerful systems last gen at $300, why couldn't they do it this gen (I know, what about the Core! Its a shit SKU that no one wants, it doesn't count). Things would be a lot different if X360 premium was the only X360 SKU at $300, but it isn't and they're dragging their feet when it comes to pricedrops cause Sony's ****ed up and they're so focused on them. PS3 is so bloated and over-engineered that it's priced out of the competition.

So what are people left with? A system like Wii that might be weak power-wise, but has a interesting gimmick and is a simple buy with its low pricepoint and 1 SKU strategy.
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They aimed too high. Microsoft's system to a lesser degree, but Sony just came in saying "My cock is bigger than yours Microsoft, take a look a this..." But it was so big it scared people.

Did no one learn anything last gen, aside from maybe Nintendo? What was the best selling system of last gen? PS2. What was the weakest system of last gen? PS2. Graphics are a small part of a much bigger picture.

Tain said:
Yeah, everybody should care more about the fortunes of gigantic fucking corporations than what they personally want.
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What the hell? Is that what I said? That I and everyone else should care about what Nintendo wants? I'd love to have Wii for $150, but they're a goddamned business and they put it at a pricepoint where they figured demand would still be high and it was. Jesus. Don't for a second ever think any business is your friend or they owe you anything. They're out there to make money - all of them. It's absurd that people on here talk about Nintendo like they're some kind of charity.
 
jonezer4 said:
It's not overpriced. I mean, in principle, and in relation to MS and Sony's systems, which are forcing them to eat money, sure, it's overpriced. But purely economically speaking, it's quite obvious that it's not overpriced. If you can sell a system for $250, to a larger amount of consumers than any of the competition, you do it.
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If anything it is underpriced. I believe the sweet spot for Nintendo would have been $/€300, judging from the ebay data.

Perrin said in an interview earlier this year that she believed they were conservative in the pricing and that they could have charged more.
 
Kabouter said:
You do realize that if they get crushed in that way they won't be as anxious to please the core gamer next-gen right?
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Yeah because it's been demonstrated that you can't successfully profit from core gamers.
 
Tain said:
It's one thing to see people glad that Nintendo is staying in business, and something else entirely to see people supporting and praising Nintendo for earning the most money at the expense of their own interests.
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Yes I really don't understand this at all.
 
Kuroyume said:
That's not what I would call a "resonable price."

Nothing that has appeared on that machine looks far beyond (or near) the AAA titles on the XBOX or PS2, despite all the technology know-it-alls saying that it's a better machine. Mario Kart looks just like the Gamecube game. Prime 3 looks just like the Gamecube games. Smashbrothers looks better than the previous version, but it's not that impressive. It looks better than the older game because the previous title was a launch game. There was a lot to build on. It has to look better. It has been... 6 years now? The only thing that is pleasant to look at is Galaxy, and that's just sort of near the bar that Rare reached with Conker. I'm not going to call it two "two GC's duct taped together," as you suggested, but they're overcharging for a machine that has not produced the type of visuals people claim it is capable of doing.
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Super Mario ****ing Galaxy dude, Super Mario ****ing Galaxy.

You're such a classic case. Just because it "looks" as good as Conker. WTF? Have you even seen the gameplay and creativity of the game? It's Nintendo and Miyamoto's baby, ffs. I am confident that Super Mario Galaxy can crush any and all "next-gen" game save for the usual mega franchises including Mario itself. If not in visuals, but as a whole package.
 
Mr. Pointy said:
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand no one gives a **** about visuals.

1) It's cheaper than the other systems.
2) It has more perceived value than the other systems.
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Right, no one cares about visuals... So, I guess that 102 page/300,000+ hits Killzone 2 trailer thread is just in my imagination.
 
MercuryLS said:
The real question is if Sony and MS made powerful systems last gen at $300, why couldn't they do it this gen (I know, what about the Core! Its a shit SKU that no one wants, it doesn't count). Things would be a lot different if X360 premium was the only X360 SKU at $300, but it isn't and they're dragging their feet when it comes to pricedrops cause Sony's ****ed up and they're so focused on them. PS3 is so bloated and over-engineered that it's priced out of the competition.

So what are people left with? A system like Wii that might be weak power-wise, but has a interesting gimmick and is a simple buy with its low pricepoint and 1 SKU strategy.
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There's a hypothetical $300 system (probably sold at a slight $50-$100 loss) that is not being made because MS/Sony engaged in their current arms race, the hardest core gamers managed to push through their agenda of turning consoles into a psuedo PC videocard battleground and Nintendo decided it would be clever to go in the exact opposite direction and make GameCube 2.0

I think all the GAFFers who are indignant with Nintendo for killing gaming or whatever their angst of the moment is, should really be angry at Microsft, Sony, Nintendo, and their technology partners for creating a political climate where this hypothetical $300 console could not exist because no one wanted to make one in the belief that the market could not support it.

Clearly, the market thinks PS3/360 too expensive and a lot of people think the Wii is bullshit last gen tech.
 
No way man. Multiple SKU's are what ****ed Sony and MS over, price as well. Take a damn hint people, but nope. They keep this bullshit "I can beat you lolz" crap.

Nintendo doesn't fear any of these guys. all Nintendo's success is because of being smart and putting games first as much as I'd like to bitch about Wii Pad it's the truth.

JOKE. I still like what Sony/MS have to offer but nobody can drop $500 and not cringe.

Fight for Freeform said:
Caring about visuals in a videogame...what a silly concept indeed!
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:lol :lol :lol
 
NintenGAF: I don't want more than 512mb of builtin memory if it means avoiding watching confusing price fluctuations for a system I've already bought!

It would ruin the ennui towards sales-age we've worked so hard to build up!
 
The thing about multiple skus is that it's a bit hardcore for many people to understand and requires prior knowledge just to go purchase the system. So in a way, MS and Sony went even further into hardcore territory this generation, while Nintendo went farther away (towards casual gaming) than anyone since the NES.
 
I agree with the OP. This PS3 "pricedrop" is the most ridiculous thing ever. How quickly people forget that there was a $500 PS3 since launch.
 
Kuroyume said:
Right, no one cares about visuals... So, I guess that 102 page/300,000+ hits Killzone 2 trailer thread is just in my imagination.
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Last gen we had visuals, low price and simple 1 SKU strategy. WHY CAN'T WE HAVE THE SAME THING THIS GEN?

Wii is winning not just because of their casual games and waggle, but because the competition dropped the ball as well. I'm betting there's a lot of gamers out there that are dying to get their hands on X360 or PS3 and care about great graphics and sequels to their favorite franchises (GTA, MGS, DMC, Halo, etc), but the prices on these systems are prohibitively expensive to a lot of people. Not everyone is a hardcore gamer that is willing to drop half a grand on a machine, most of last gen's sales happened at $200 and below. MS is close to that pricepoint and Sony is very far from it. To all the kids with very little disposible income or parents that don't want to buy their kids $500 toys, they're choosing Wii cause it's cheap and fun.
 
titiklabingapat said:
Yeah because it's been demonstrated that you can't successfully profit from core gamers.
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You're putting words in my mouth. If the Wii shows that non-gamers are a FAR more profitable market, what do you think Sony and MS will do?
 
The problem with NeoGAF is that it thinks it's the center of the gaming world when it clearly isn't. I don't know why people continue to be surprised at the claims made by the mainstream press when they don't target NeoGAF. Nor does NeoGAF represent the interests of other major markets like children's markets. Give me one good reason why an 8 year old would have been remotely interested in Sony and MS's conferences.

So with that, I say, STFU, calm down and spend your energy making posts that are actually useful and productive.
 
Well. Honestly. I didn't come into this thread with expectations of anything more or less.

It's good to see people constantly arguing over what they think is the best way to have fun.
With all seriousness. Please consider the following as fact: Video game console sales are driven by the quality and appeal of the video games in they have in the catalog.

Indeed, Nintendo did attract me with some fun (and unique) games at a low price. I will never regret that purchase. However, I'm still waiting for the 360 and/or PS3 to get a decent catalog of "MUST HAVES".

Between the HDTV, the console and the games; They are all far too expensive for me to handle right now. I'm a gamer, but I'm also a mid-20's gamer who lives in a big expensive city.

In the mean-time. I'm the guy digging out gems from the bargain bin at gamestop. I have an entire generation of games (rating 6.5 to 8.0) that I haven't played yet. GOOD GAMES. And I'm absolutely not running to pickup a "next-gen" system anytime soon.

Please don't be fooled. Just because I don't have a ps3 or 360 does not mean that I'm not a hardcore gamer.

I am.

Also. Between Nintendo, Microsoft and Sony - my budget goes to cigarettes.
If only Phillip morris could make a console that spat out parliaments. I'd suckle at it's teat.
 
Kuroyume said:
Right, no one cares about visuals... So, I guess that 102 page/300,000+ hits Killzone 2 trailer thread is just in my imagination.
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It's quite likely all of those posts were made by the same 20 people and their multiple accounts
 
Don't for a second ever think any business is your friend or they owe you anything. They're out there to make money - all of them. It's absurd that people on here talk about Nintendo like they're some kind of charity.
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And how is that what I said?

You're defending Nintendo for making such a profit because they can. I'm confused, because you don't work for Nintendo.

It just makes sense to me to take the consumer's side and perspective when you're a consumer. I know what I'd love to see, I know what I consider reasonable, and I'll never praise or actively defend a corporation for doing something that is the opposite of what I'd like to see just because it earns them more cash. It blows my mind when I see people doing these things.
 
cvxfreak said:
The problem with NeoGAF is that it thinks it's the center of the gaming world when it clearly isn't. I don't know why people continue to be surprised at the claims made by the mainstream press when they don't target NeoGAF. Nor does NeoGAF represent the interests of other major markets like children's markets. Give me one good reason why an 8 year old would have been remotely interested in Sony and MS's conferences.

So with that, I say, STFU, calm down and spend your energy making posts that are actually useful and productive.
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When Sony and MS drop prices *cough* if they drop prices to $399/$299 Wii will have a big challenge to stay ahead.

For now, Nintendo is just cruising along and nobody can stop them.
 
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