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[civilstrife]

I think I'm going to start calling my boyfriend my "Adventure Pal".

 

[Platy]

Small Smash Bros spoilers :

http://i.imgur.com/qhHnByA.png

 

[ghostjoke]

But which character would be the tank? And would it be a defense/absorb type or agility/evade type?

If it did a Alliance/Horde style system the "horde" would have tanks like Bowser/Womp - probably just defence. I could see Yoshi being the "alliance" agility tank.

 

[Chaotic-Strike]

yoshi is supposed to be a male dinosaur but he lays eggs

Considering said eggs come out when he eats an enemy, I always assumed it was just the enemy inside an eggshell that's used for as a weapon rather than for reproduction.

 

[mollipen]

She's trans. She's also not the only trans character in the Mario series.

And I guess, to georly, that's a bad thing?

 

[Grisby]

Toad came bursting out of someone's chest. Gotcha.

 

[wsippel]

Doesn't surprise me. Though yeah, I tend to view Toadette as a girl.

What about Kirby and Yoshi? Are they gender neutral too?

Kirby is whatever he feels like. Or eats:

 

[Mesoian]

She's trans. She's also not the only trans character in the Mario series.

Still the GOAT

Spoiler

We'll never see her again

 

[SenorArdilla]

Small Smash Bros spoilers :

http://i.imgur.com/qhHnByA.png

 

[Green Mamba]

So then how do they explain the clearly gendered toads in the Paper Mario series?

Nintendo's response would probably be "Paper Mario? What is that? Never heard of it."

 

[Mesoian]

Nintendo's response would probably be "Paper Mario? What is that? Never heard of it."

UGH, this is probably true.

 

[Neiteio]

"We never gave them genders, we just gave one a lower pitched voice and red and blue clothes, and the other one a higher pitched voice with pink clothes and pigtails. Just some gender characteristics, you know."

Ha, not to mention the "-ette" at the end of Toadette, typically associated with females

Yeah, Toad's a dude and Toadette's a girl, in my book

Not that it matters either way

 

[Grizzo]

Well, there's ChuChu, a pink-octopus character who is Kirby's love interest in the Dream Land games. She's the closest to a female Kirby.

never heard of her before today (maybe because Kirby's Dream Land 3 was never released in Europe)

The wiki says she's an octopus. She looks cute!

I always thought of Kirby as a genderless character though.

Kirby is whatever he feels like. Or eats:

Ah! I forgot about this commercial! See I like to think of Kirby as a free spirit, haha.

 

[Nose Master]

"I really wish you guys would stop asking about this weird shit."

 

[DragonGirl]

People really are way too hung up on the gender question. "Is your baby a boy or a girl?" Don't answer and it drives people up the wall. The answer to the Toads gender is simple: It doesn't matter.

 

[XiaNaphryz]

People really are way too hung up on the gender question. "Is your baby a boy or a girl?" Don't answer and it drives people up the wall. The answer to the Toads gender is simple: It doesn't matter.

 

[Ryouji Gunblade]

It's weird to think about Toadsworth not being male. But-but... mustache....

 

[Mesoian]

Doesn't surprise me. Though yeah, I tend to view Toadette as a girl.

What about Kirby and Yoshi? Are they gender neutral too?

Kirby is gender neutral, which makes a lot of things in the later series and the secondary marketing (anime, comics, etc) really interesting and progressive.

Of course Nintendo would prefer it if you just don't think about it too much.

 

[RagnarokX]

Birdo and Vivian are trans in Japan but it seems Nintendo has made every attempt for them to be strictly female everywhere else.

Birdo was pretty clearly trans in the SMB2 manual but since then Nintendo has been like "shit, controversial, sweep that under the rug and never mention it again." Possibly one reason why we never got Captain Rainbow.

Yeah, they definitely edited Vivian, but with Birdo they just refer to her as female and that would be the politically correct thing to do with a trans-female anyway. It's not like they bring up her birth certificate every game.

Apparently Toad's can detach their mushroom heads and use them as parachutes too!

It's a hat.

Some Toads have hair coming out from under them:

Some Toads have hair coming through them:

Though who knows what's going on under the hat. Their heads could still bulge out under them. They still have big hats when they become tanooki or propellor toads, but it would look weird if they didn't:

But there's no way their heads would fit inside this helmet if their hats were part of their head:

They were always meant to look like they were wearing turbans.

Peach and Rosalina look like this when they wear a tanooki suit:

and we know it's not because they have crazy thunder thighs and huge heads.

 

[Aaron Strife]

It's weird to think about Toadsworth not being male. But-but... mustache....

Maybe all Toads can grow facial hair, and shaving it is a matter of personal preference whether you want to look dignified/respectable or you want to maintain a clean, youthful or even feminine look.

Also to the above poster, I always imagined the hats were turbans and read Toad's dialogue in Mario 3 in a stereotypical Indian accent (think Apu from Simpsons).

 

[Rhomega Beta]

Oh, so they're like Asari?

 

[Owlowiscious]

He also clarified that Toad and Toadette are not romantically involved.
“But I think what I can say is that Toadette and Toad are not siblings[...]”

Not siblings and Japan means of course they're not romantically involved~

 

[Squishy3]

Adventure pals with benefits?

I'm glad someone posted this

 

[Mory Dunz]

Once again, Paper Mario doesn't exist, heh.

 

[Oblivion]

Yeah...this dude can fuck off.

Toad's male and Toadette is female. Otherwise, they would all be called Toad.

 

[HawthorneKitty]

Is Toadette called Kinopio-chan in Japan? I forget.

 

[Nose Master]

Kirby is gender neutral, which makes a lot of things in the later series and the secondary marketing (anime, comics, etc) really interesting and progressive.

Of course Nintendo would prefer it if you just don't think about it too much.

"Progressive." Give me a fucking break. They're gender-less because when they were created they were simple and abstract enough to not need one. No one cared. They haven't updated them since because the fact remains, it doesn't matter.

Quick, someone grill Atari on what gender the Pong paddles are.

 

[big_erk]

That is indeed lovely. Makes me feel all warm and fuzzy.



It's a ceremonial 'tache. As has been established, 'taches are worshipped in Toadstool culture, so only the very highest echelons of society are allowed them. It's why Toads adore Mario.

I don't know why, but I find this so cool. I think we should try this. The person with the most epic moustache gets to be leader. Girls, stop plucking that facial hair now, if you ever want to be President.

 

[Sai-kun]

I never bothered to think of Toad in gender terms, but now that it's been brought up, they just adopt whatever gender characteristics they dig better, and everyone else just rolls along with it?

That's lovely, actually.

Yeah, I'm a fan of this.

That's cute as hell :3

 

[RagnarokX]

Once again, Paper Mario doesn't exist, heh.

Being asexual would not prevent them from adopting genders. Some Toads choose to or are brought up to be female and some toads choose to or are brought up to male.

 

[ppor]

Toad is a Purple Penguin.

 

[Alienous]

Toad isn't a male, and Toadette isn't a female?

 

[RedFury]

Do fungi/mushrooms not have traditional genders in the real world?

No, sexual and asexual depending on genus...toadette is toad's budding "pal". She grew off his neck [or insert other body part here].

 

[3DShovel]

It kind of bothers me that people... Care about the gender of Toad...

Then again, I've seen worse.

 

[RagnarokX]

Yeah...this dude can fuck off.

Toad's male and Toadette is female. Otherwise, they would all be called Toad.

Toad isn't a male, and Toadette isn't a female?

You can't comprehend asexual creatures or separate sex from gender?

 

[HawthorneKitty]

Hello Kitty isn't a cat.

 

[Owlowiscious]

Hello Kitty isn't a cat.

Is this some sick joke or are you about to blow my mind?

 

[Prax]

Maybe they have no biological sex, but can choose/develop whatever gender they want.
Possibly as they were culturally assimilating and interpreting gendered cultures/species that they were living around.

Makes sense to me!

 

[Dizzy]

So they're friends with benefits. Toad you little player.

 

[someguyinahat]

Kirby is gender neutral, which makes a lot of things in the later series and the secondary marketing (anime, comics, etc) really interesting and progressive.

Of course Nintendo would prefer it if you just don't think about it too much.

He is?

That seems pretty decisive if you ask me. Calling him both "he" and a "fellow."

 

[Anura]

Toad society sounds amazing.

 

[Mesoian]

"Progressive." Give me a fucking break. They're gender-less because when they were created they were simple and abstract enough to not need one. No one cared. They haven't updated them since because the fact remains, it doesn't matter.

Quick, someone grill Atari on what gender the Pong paddles are.

They're male and female. DUH!

 

[HypnoDarkrai]

Is Toadette called Kinopio-chan in Japan? I forget.

Apparently it's Kinopiko.
キノピオ (Kinopio, Toad) + 子 (ko, meaning "child"); usually used to Japanese female name.

From here
http://www.mariowiki.com/toadette

 

[Kyou]

Yeah...this dude can fuck off.

Toad's male and Toadette is female. Otherwise, they would all be called Toad.

it's interesting that this makes you angry

 

[Mesoian]

Hello Kitty isn't a cat.

HA! Yeah...

 

[Orbis Tabula]

People trying to figure out the Mario Universe think they're so clever, but everyone knows it's Koopas all the way down!

 

[boiled goose]

Genderless dystopia?

 

[daydream]

'Adventure pals' is what we're calling it now?

 

[DragonGirl]

Did you have an argument to make?

 

[Asd202]

Dat Mario lore.