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This isn't as much of an Apple vs. Nintendo fanboy flamewar in this thread, but HD fanboys being pissed off Nintendo snubbed their favorite, by trotting the years old talking points.
it's hilarious!

 

[DeaconKnowledge]

This has very little to do with hardware and everything to do with software.

 

[ShockingAlberto]

This has very little to do with hardware and everything to do with software.

Yeah, I was about to post this.

 

[badcrumble]

This isn't as much of an Apple vs. Nintendo fanboy flamewar in this thread, but HD fanboys being pissed off Nintendo snubbed their favorite, by trotting the years old talking points.
it's hilarious!

I'm not so sure about that - this is about the handheld space and has nothing to do with HD consoles, unless you're suggesting that Nintendo is afraid of the AppleTV.

 

[clashfan]

This has very little to do with hardware and everything to do with software.

And alot of the traditional game makers will make more games for smart phones and start to ignore traditional dedicated hand held gaming devices.

 

[Sadist]

What a horrible thread.

 

[civilstrife]

I wouldn't be surprised if Nintendo made an app store for 3DS in the same vain as Apple's. Cheap SDK, very inclusive, with a cut off the top.

I think they're realizing there's a lot of money to be made using this model.

 

[Vinci]

And alot of the traditional game makers will make more games for smart phones and start to ignore traditional dedicated hand held gaming devices.

If they want to sell their titles at a price far lower than they traditionally have? Yes.

I wouldn't be surprised if Nintendo made an app store for 3DS in the same vain as Apple's. Cheap SDK, very inclusive, with a cut off the top.

I think they're realizing there's a lot of money to be made using this model.

Doubtful.

 

[I NEED SCISSORS]

Nintendo App Store could be a decent idea. They already have an infrastructure in place with the DSi, they simply need to open it up more.

 

[SlipperySlope]

I wonder what would happen if the 3DS used Android.

Hmm. Who creates Nintendo's current OS's? Is it in house?

 

[DrGAKMAN]

I don't really trust this "timesonline" or whatever. Where is an actual Iwata quote and what context is it in? Also, read what Sean Malstrom has to say about this...it's so damn true!

 

[clashfan]

If they want to sell their titles at a price far lower than they traditionally have? Yes...

They can sell lower because they don't have to pay a huge sum of money for the carts.

 

[GDGF]

I wonder what would happen if the 3DS used Android.

Hmm. Who creates Nintendo's current OS's? Is it in house?

Maybe they'll use the OS that both Nintendo and Google have copyrighted...

...or maybe not.

 

[Canova]

I'd feel sorry for Sony, if Apple ever get into gaming market. Sony, the smallest company of the bunch, wouldn't survive in a 4-way competition

 

[EmCeeGramr]

I don't really trust this "timesonline" or whatever. Where is an actual Iwata quote and what context is it in? Also, read what Sean Malstrom has to say about this...it's so damn true!

i am without words

 

[Vinci]

They can sell lower because they don't have to pay a huge sum of money for the carts.

So you expect all game developers to shift to a pricing model like the one featured in the app store? Let's just say I disagree with you. Some have, some others will, but not all of them - and certainly not the big ones that most of us on GAF care about.

 

[Tiktaalik]

This has very little to do with hardware and everything to do with software.

What do you mean by this?

 

[clashfan]

So you expect all game developers to shift to a pricing model like the one featured in the app store? Let's just say I disagree with you. Some have, some others will, but not all of them - and certainly not the big ones that most of us on GAF care about.

CD sales are down but digital music sales are way up. It will also happen to the game industry. It's only a matter of time. Nintendo is smart enough to realize this, that's why they say Apple is the enemy. But has Apple had a too big a head start?

 

[MadOdorMachine]

Despite the fact that iPhone, iPad and iPod touch are out, most people who I know that have one don't play games on it but on a game system instead. That's not to say they haven't tried it and that it won't take off in the future, but right now it's more of a nice extra feature rather than a major selling point. As already stated, their game library pales in comparison to what's offered on other platforms.

 

[Boney]

I think whats being referred to is how Sony completely botched 2006-8. The PS3 is finally getting good software and is at a reasonable price point now, but they didn't just lose to Nintendo's paradigm shift. They also lost to Microsoft, and MS was playing Sony's own game.

Yeah that's what I meant. Playstation, being the strongest brand in videogame, turned around and became almost completely negative. It is now said brand, with rebranding (oh the irony) that is luring people back. I mean, It's Playstation!

But you get the point, as stated above this is not about how Nintendo and Apple are going to launch nearly identical products and compete.

 

[DrGAKMAN]

i am without words

Then shut up! JK!

I'm sure everyone gets their legit and solid gaming news from the timesonline, especially when this "journalist" is misquoting one company president while sourcing unarmed "analysts" and "developers" for his personal color editorial, yet calling it "news".

SH!T...can't game players, makers, publishers, retailers, journalists and analysts all just ADMIT their bias instead of hiding behind BS articles like this and calling it news?

 

[wsippel]

And alot of the traditional game makers will make more games for smart phones and start to ignore traditional dedicated hand held gaming devices.

It's actually mostly the other way around: Successful developers who started on the iPhone are turning to the dedicated gaming devices, especially because they are sick of pricing their games that low to stay competitive and still get buried under boatloads of garbage on the Appstore.

 

[Starchasing]

I think Nintendo needs to converge and make the 3ds something more than a phone, a comunication device.

 

[Haunted]

I don't think Apple and Nintendo are directly competing with one another quite yet, but the time is potentially growing near.

Just like Iwata's quote in the article, I was talking about the near future.

 

[GDGF]

I think Nintendo needs to converge and make the 3ds something more than a phone, a comunication device.

To tell you the truth there is a sizable subculture out there that would much rather send instant messages/ texts than talk on the phone traditionally. If the 3ds just allowed for that it could be enough.

 

[Starchasing]

Just like Iwata's quote in the article, I was talking about the near future.

i guess ill have to go and read it please dont ban me

 

[Kilrogg]

I hate doing that, but I'm gonna have to quote myself.

Just to be sure, when Timesonline says this:

Satoru Iwata, the Nintendo president, is understood to have told his senior executives recently to regard the battle with Sony as a victory already won and to treat Apple, and its iPhone and iPad devices, as the “enemy of the future” .

Can we assume Iwata actually said that? I'm always very wary when it comes to what Nintendo is said to have said/done and what they've actually said or done. The sources are often unreliable, and many wrong assumptions are often made.

Has anyone got a clue?

To add to this, it hasn't been that long since Iwata last said that he doesn't quite see Apple as a direct competitor yet. I know the iPhone and the App Store have grown enormously, but still, I don't see why Iwata's stance would shift so suddenly. And again, I always take statements from "sources close to Nintendo" with a grain of salt. Heck, I even take statements from Nintendo executives with a grain of salt when they're not from Iwata himself.

Am I really crazy in suggesting that the premise of the article might actually be bogus? Not saying it definitely is (can't prove it right or wrong), but I just can't take it at face value like most of you seem to do... I thought GAF was much more skeptical than that as a general rule.

On another topic:

8 years ago everybody was waiting for sure demise of both of these companies.
And now they have taken over their respective markets and are about to go on war. Amazing.
Both of them also transformed into their main competitors - Nintendo is being cocky just like Sony a few years back, while Apple is now an evil empire, not unlike Microsoft at the beginning of the previous decade.

I don't know about that. I know you're referring to Nintendo saying that the battle against Sony is already won, but 1) it's an unverified statement, and 2) it's not exactly the boldest statement to make at this point. Besides, I have a hard time calling a company that admits to having released subpar software (in the form of Wii Music and Animal Crossing Wii) "cocky". Nintendo's president strikes me as way more humble and honest than any other company president in this industry so far.

 

[Starchasing]

I hate doing that, but I'm gonna have to quote myself.



To add to this, it hasn't been that long since Iwata last said that he doesn't quite see Apple as a direct competitor yet. I know the iPhone and the App Store have grown enormously, but still, I don't see why Iwata's stance would shift so suddenly. And again, I always take statements from "sources close to Nintendo" with a grain of salt. Heck, I even take statements from Nintendo executives with a grain of salt when they're not from Iwata himself.

Am I really crazy in suggesting that the premise of the article might actually be bogus? Not saying it definitely is (can't prove it right or wrong), but I just can't take it at face value like most of you seem to do... I thought GAF was much more skeptical than that as a general rule.

who knows.... but as i said earlier im sure Nintendo is worried about the TIME people spend on their phones and ipads iphones, ipods etc etc... Nintendo sees everything that takes up leisure time as a competitor therebefore its not crazy that they think that the convergence of gaming handhelds and phones seem like a threat to Iwata

 

[Flying_Phoenix]

Seems like my predictions are becoming more and more true.

Seems like a cycle:

1. I make a logical prediction.

2. I get shat on by forum members.

3. My prediction comes true.

4. Gamers are at a loss of words as they don't understand how something happened that was coming that could easily been seen from a mile away.

 

[Starchasing]

Seems like my predictions are becoming more and more true.

quote yourself

i remember that i mentioned once that convergence had to be made this way

radioalarm > a radio and a clock

 

[RurouniZel]

Am I really crazy in suggesting that the premise of the article might actually be bogus? Not saying it definitely is (can't prove it right or wrong), but I just can't take it at face value like most of you seem to do... I thought GAF was much more skeptical than that as a general rule.

Except when it deals with taking down the mighty Wii and it's expanded audience of grandpas and soccer moms. Then GAF'll believe anything.

 

[Kilrogg]

who knows.... but as i said earlier im sure Nintendo is worried about the TIME people spend on their phones and ipads iphones, ipods etc etc... Nintendo sees everything that takes up leisure time as a competitor therebefore its not crazy that they think that the convergence of gaming handhelds and phones seem like a threat to Iwata

I suppose, and you make a good point about the time issue, but still, misunderstandings and conclusion-jumping are a common issue with everything regarding Nintendo. Sometimes it's misinterpretation, sometimes it's quotes being put out of context, sometimes it's poor translation, and sometimes it's unverifiable statements, like here. Even if Iwata actually said something akin to Apple being a threat in the near-future, for all we know he might just actually mean that they're a potential threat for now but aren't really doing anything that directly threatens Nintendo's business, which would make me go "duh".

There are so many "ifs" and layers of doubt in that so-called quote that I can't begin to take it very seriously. The fact that the article jumps to conclusions, saying that the Wii's lack of horsepower is a reason for its sales decline, only makes me more skeptical about the whole thing.

I'm just wondering why skeptic-GAF hasn't even suggested that possibility yet. Don't we usually know better?

[EDIT] @RurouniZel: you're being unfair. I'm not suggesting anyone is biased at all. I'm just saying it's unusual for GAF to take this kind of articles at face value.

 

[evil ways]

Blah blah Apple threat, blah blah nintendo sells trillions, blah blah X gaffer is stupid, sony is dead lulz!! Blah blah.

Typical Gaming thread.

*back to SSFIV*

 

[Barkley's Justice]

not sure the author of that article has seen nintendo's war chest recently.

the author thinks iwata's claims that the battle with sony is "already over" are premature.

nintendo is obviously already onto their next thing. meanwhile, has sony even made a dime on ps3 yet??

 

[Dan Yo]

Be careful, Nintendo. This is exactly what Sony said to Microsoft when Sony had just won against Nintendo.

 

[jim-jam bongs]

I kept reading the title of this thread as "enemy from the future", thought Iwata had finally lost it.

 

[GotEmRunnin]

Gotta hand it to Nintendo. At least they aren't of that "if you ignore them they'll go away mentality". I don't have any iCrap in my house but apple seems to have found their niche with the iPod/Phone/Pad and their app store is very nice.

 

[RurouniZel]

[EDIT] @RurouniZel: you're being unfair. I'm not suggesting anyone is biased at all. I'm just saying it's unusual for GAF to take this kind of articles at face value.

I know. But there is some truth to the fact that there's a huge swath of GAF that hates the Wii and everything it stands for, so anything they can use to jump on Nintendo with, they'll take at every opportunity.

But I was a bit unfair about it, yes.

 

[GDGF]

I kept reading the title of this thread as "enemy from the future", thought Iwata had finally lost it.

 

[jim-jam bongs]

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Iwata: *shudders*

 

[Kittonwy]

http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/technology/article7118570.ece



There's a fair amount in this article that is, at the very least, debatable in its negativity about Nintendo's current prospects, but I wanted to post it anyway because of the more specific reports that Nintendo sees Apple as a future threat and plans to combat their iProducts. It'll be pretty interesting to watch these titans go up against each other, especially because the iPhone is very clearly a convergence device that performs many more useful functions than a DSi, but is also clearly weaker on the gaming side of things. If Nintendo sees their advantage on gaming as not enough, I wonder if the 3DS will be likely to have an increased focus on apps and such for pure utility (so you can use it as a personal organizer, email client, mp3 player, et cetera in addition to its being a gaming machine). The PSP was always more of a convergence-type device than the DS... it'll be interesting to see if Nintendo shifts a bit further in that direction for their next handheld generation.

The smart phone market is already pretty crowded, I'm sure Nintendo wants a piece of that pie but I'm not sure they can appeal to that audience.

 

[GDGF]

Iwata: *shudders*

Iwata is John Conner

And it's all good. I would much rather have nintendo face a tough opponent (especially now that the big N is in fighting shape) than give them an excuse to coast through a generation. I like my Nintendo scrappy :lol

 

[Vinci]

CD sales are down but digital music sales are way up. It will also happen to the game industry. It's only a matter of time. Nintendo is smart enough to realize this, that's why they say Apple is the enemy. But has Apple had a too big a head start?

Yes. The wondrous, amazing future of Digital Distribution. How could I ever forget.

 

[Karma]

So... Nintendo vs Apple for expanded audience gamers and Sony vs MS for traditional console gamers?

No, It is USA vs the world. Apple/MS FTW.

 

[Prine]

This isn't as much of an Apple vs. Nintendo fanboy flamewar in this thread, but HD fanboys being pissed off Nintendo snubbed their favorite, by trotting the years old talking points.
it's hilarious!

Only in your mind. This is handheld market, some have no interest in this type of gaming. Only the promise of Apple shaking things up. Or playing on the hysteria thats to follow.

 

[Eteric Rice]

Yes. The wondrous, amazing future of Digital Distribution. How could I ever forget.

Do not want.

Music is one thing, making all video games DD only would piss me off hard.

 

[Vinci]

Do not want.

Music is one thing, making all video games DD only would piss me off hard.

You sensed the sarcasm dripping from that post, yes? Please tell me you did, otherwise I'll have to go back and edit it.

 

[Prine]

Despite the fact that iPhone, iPad and iPod touch are out, most people who I know that have one don't play games on it but on a game system instead. That's not to say they haven't tried it and that it won't take off in the future, but right now it's more of a nice extra feature rather than a major selling point. As already stated, their game library pales in comparison to what's offered on other platforms.

Like someone mentioned its the amount of time people are spending on those machines. Which means it might be the only device people use, as it does everything well or fairly well.

If your in publishing or the media industry the ipad is BIG, every major company is preparing itself to roll out its print media digitally, the most significant movement since colour print (not my words). Eventually we'll all be walking through train stations downloading magazines and reading them on the train with our IPADs. At least thats the prediction.

Exciting times for the company i work for.

 

[Eteric Rice]

You sensed the sarcasm dripping from that post, yes? Please tell me you did, otherwise I'll have to go back and edit it.

I did, but I was just saying that I hate the idea of DD. >_>

 

[ronito]

Soooo....Nintendo is going out to compete against a tragically hip and arrogant company that makes overly priced clunky products? This had never happened before! Enemy of the future indeed!