Mr_Appleby
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right now i can't find anything i want to buy for it, VC, 3dsware or cart based.
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Nintendo's 3DS Virtual Console is a terrible failure
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SaintMadeOfPlaster
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Agreed. They're somehow doing a worse job with it than they did with the Wii...
At least I'm an Ambassador, and have a large handful of GBA games that I would've payed for for free.
At least I'm an Ambassador, and have a large handful of GBA games that I would've payed for for free.
Not that it's exactly a model of perfection, but the Vita's PSone legacy library is really putting the 3DS to shame right now.
ScreenSplitter
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Let's call a spade a spade here, after one year the PSOne Classics lineup in Europe was beyond pathetic.
For the Vita? I'm basically pointing out portables here and how I want the 3DS to push VC support.
ScreenSplitter
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I'm saying comparatively; 3DS VC after one year, whereas the Vita's legacy library began on the PSP, in 2007? A long time ago anyway. And it took us a LONG time to get certain games like Crash 2, and we still don't have certain games like Spyro.
Even still, the DS never had any sort of VC ability whereas the PSP at least got PSone a year or two in (I honestly forget when it happened). The Vita and 3DS are contemporaries, after all, and the pricing and grandfathering of PSone games across PS3/PSP/Vita is something VC could learn from.
If we compare the Vita to 3DS it's clear the 3DS is lacking in this category. I'm not trying to stir coals here, but I might actually would buy a 3DS again if they started up with true VC support. There's a really awesome library of games to dive into.
Canis lupus
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There definetly is a lack of content.
ScreenSplitter
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All I'm saying is, the 3DS is the first shot at a handheld VC service. And whilst Sony admirably have their PS1 games spread over several platforms, which is something Nintendo can learn from, there's still a wealth of PS1 games they haven't touched.
Still better than almost all GB games on the eShop. The selection is just so ass.
The option to download them would be nice, but people actually forget they're pretty tough to stomach games now. It's not like playing Wario Land, or Donkey Kong 94 for the first time. The original Pokemon games do not hold up well.
Yeah, it's not exactly a model of perfection. I do think the ability to use the same game save across all PS platforms is a huge bonus though, not to mention how many PSone games you could get through PS+. The PSone classics pricing is a bit more fair in my eyes too when you compare the $8 SNES games and $12 N64 titles on Wii to the $2.99, $5.99, and $9.99 PSone classics. I actually got most of mine through PS+, though, so I haven't had to spend much to build my twenty-something library on my PS3.
As it stands, the PSone classics available on PSP and PS3 cover pretty much any PSone game I can remember being worth a damn (aside from Driver & Future Cop, which are available in Europe at least). The Vita list right now is already really healthy too (especially in Europe), but it clearly needs another two or three BIG dumps like today to catch up.
your face doesn't hold up well
I've said it before, but it's not fair at all to compare making already released titles compatible cross platform to Nintendo's issues with the 3DS VC, unless you're specifically pointing out the NES part in which case there's far bigger problems there than a bare selection. Problems I HOPE will be remedied with the Wii U introducing an account system. Still, for the new, handheld platforms on the 3DS VC it's definitely way, way too slow but it's not as if anyone barrelled out with loads of games unless that was the point of their service (GOG), and even that takes time to build.
I'm directly comparing PSone on Vita to SNES/NES/N64 on 3DS. When I first heard the 3DS would have a Virtual Console my imagination immediately gravitated towards those three consoles.
VC started on Wii the same month PSone classics launched on PS3, if that makes any difference (aka, launch month 2006).
Seven Force
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To be fair, that can be said about a good portion of the current VC 3DS library in general.
I remember them
Love them still. And I bet loads of others do too. And they are still better than most of the games that are being released on the eShop.Perhaps legal issues are more to blame (eg. copyright/non-published Nintendo titles) and they decided that some ventures weren't worth the investment. It's not as if Nintendo's constituents are completely inept when it comes to maximizing profit. Granted, I'm sure there were and are plenty of mistakes and oversights made just like any business tends to suffer, but I find it hard to believe that any company as large (on the gaming industry scale) as Nintendo simply missed out on these opportunities due to ignorance of a market that, at the very least, they have a fruitful understanding of in terms of financial health.
Although there is no doubt that the entire service was antiquated to begin with.
To summarize: all those who merely think that it's just their shortsighted business strategy, this is probably just one of many many reasons why you don't own and operate a video game company.
Although there is no doubt that the entire service was antiquated to begin with.
To summarize: all those who merely think that it's just their shortsighted business strategy, this is probably just one of many many reasons why you don't own and operate a video game company.
I'm fairly disappointed as well. All I really want to buy are the GB/GBA Zelda games and they only have Link's Awakening Up. At this point i'm better offer buying a Gamecube with a GBA Player and buy Minish/Ages/Seasons/Link's Awakening cart only until NoA gets their heads out of their asses.
Yeah, OG Gameboy games didn't exactly get a boost from being put on a slightly larger screen.
This is another reason I'd love to see better VC support on 3DS: be having N64/SNES games at that pixel density. Certain games that might not age so well on a 42" HDTV can look fantastic on a small screen- just look at Castlevania SotN on a PSP or Vita and you'll know what I'm talking about.
SuperSonic1305
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Pokemans and Final Fantasy kthx
Actually that took another few months I think, and was only for downloading PS1 games to PSP with no PS3 compatibility. Sony ended better, but they started out completely dysfunctional, especially outside of Japan where they practically forgot they could sell PS1 classics for at least half a year before OH WAIT WE COULD PUT FINAL FANTASY VII ON THERE. Man, at least Nintendo's got this on life support and put forth a good chunk of the games worth playing already.
Though for the 3DS VC expanding to platforms covered by the Wii: first I'd want an account system established that shares titles, THEN I'd want to see them. Doubt we'd get anything N64 though, seems that's already troublesome on the N64 given how few games we got and you'd need a CCPro to have zero issues with the button count.
Admittedly a likely factor in why it's kind of lacking. Nintendo knows to an extent, and most publishers do and won't bother unless it's low hanging fruit. Sure would like SE to get the FFL games up, though getting their remakes on DS would've been far better.
diffusionx
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I have Minish Cap on my 3DS. ^_^
I'm still waiting for Oracle of Ages/Seasons though.
Well, that was nearly six years ago and Sony rectified it pretty well, if you ask me. Having cross-platform entitlement, saves, and manuals was smart future-proofing and it only makes buying classics an easier decision when you know it'll keep working on every console they release, and the pricing is extremely fair ($2.99, $5.99, $9.99, and often free with PS+).
The bottom line is this: the Vita's PSone legacy library trumps the 3DS VC to shame in every way I can look at it. It's not "unfair" to expect Nintendo to have launched the 3DS with a better infrastructure in mind for this kind of thing considering it's been done between the PS3/PSP for over half a decade and hopefully Nintendo does exactly what Sony did with the PSP/PS3/Vita.
lunchwithyuzo
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Don't PS Classics on Vita still operate through PSP mode/emulation though? It's not really the same thing as 3DS VC then; it's not done ground up and customized to the platform, it's really just backwards compatibility.
Actually it's more like Wii U playing the Wii VC library if that's the case.
I sort of agree with this. I am currently satisfied with what I have on my 3DS. There is no need for a huge glut of games to be released at once. I do however wish there was some policy in place of having one VC release a week. I mean, there's not really an excuse. And no, I don't need more games to play. I would like portable SNES games at some point though.
This.
I'd kill to have Pokmon RBY, GSC, and all the other quality Game Boy games on my 3DS. Nintendo of America is just too fucking lazy to do anything about VC.
entremet
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What they lack in balance they make up in charm.
That's just bull. Nintendo of America aren't lazy. There are a number of games available already. If they were lazy, there would be none or nearly none. That's not the case.
Sometimes I think it's a talking points thing from people who just want to hate on Nintendo to make these threads and then post in them again and again. If you say it over and over again often enough then others will think it's true!
Sometimes I think it's a talking points thing from people who just want to hate on Nintendo to make these threads and then post in them again and again. If you say it over and over again often enough then others will think it's true!
entremet
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I think the biggest criticism is how they lag behind the Japanese VC. Most of these games are localized, they should at least be released similar pace, if Nintendo wants to drip these out.
lunchwithyuzo
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Forget Japan, I'd settle for parity with Europe. It's just sad at this point, NOA's going to have to do "8bit Winter" or something just to catch up again.
They're not lazy, they are deliberately obtuse. Compare the effort and library that NCL or NOE offers to NOA.
I like Nintendo, but let's be fair. Don't apologize for a crappy corporate move that is anti-consumer.
Yeah I'd love to have more games to play. Seriously why are you defending the small 3DS VC library as being a good thing.
Doctor Decimate
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i haven't looked at the 3DS VC, but on the Wii it's hilariously overpriced, regardless of what the selection is. for how stupidly easy it is to go grab a ROM and an emulator, Nintendo is fucking kidding themselves that they can charge $5 for an NES game
hardcastlemccormick
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There is literally no excuse for not having the games Europe has. A delay between US and Japan makes sense, but it's not even a delay at this point. It's pure failure. Either they're too lazy or too cheap to get a bigger online team together. It doesn't matter.
This has nothing to do with hating Nintendo. If we hated Nintendo, we wouldn't even care about having more VC games. This is fans wanting to give Nintendo money for games they already have in other regions. They deserve lambasting and will continue to receive it until they start getting their shit together.
Why are you on the Internet when there's starving kids in third world countries?
I agree their pricing is crazy most of the time, but aren't games like SMB3 and MM2 worth a measly five bucks? And being able to get stuff like Super Metroid and Mario RPG for eight bucks? I think those are still awesome deals. It also helps that Nintendo's emulation is a far step above the garbage versions that companies like Backbone put out. I'll gladly pay a premium for their superior emulation
Obviously stuff like DK Jr. Math shouldn't even exist let alone cost five dollars, but don't throw the baby out with the bathwater. They've already started pricing games individually instead of by system on 3DS VC (though on average they're still a dollar or two too much), which is a big improvement on its own
whalleywhat
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I'm playing DK '94 for the first time right now. Boss shit.
You realize there was another VC on the Wii that we can compare this one to, right?
Compare what NoA have released to what has been released in Europe and Japan. Just because you're satisfied doesn't mean they are doing a good job. People want more choices.
ScreenSplitter
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It doesn't matter that from an objective viewpoint Pokemon RB don't hold up well, nostalgia goggles will make that problem go away, and also sell millions. No idea why they haven't done this yet... The only real reason Stadium wasn't on the Wii VC was due to its heavy reliance on GB connectivity. I'm fairly sure they could emulate link cable through wireless somehow... it's their hardware after all.
Who needs online and all that shit? Just port the damn game.
Who needs online and all that shit? Just port the damn game.
Velcro Fly
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I don't think we are ever going to get Pokemon games on the VC. At least not so long as there is a huge market for remakes. People already want remakes of Ruby/Sapphire to be up next after Black 2/White 2. It would be cool as just the game with no trading or online for nostalgia, but with all the quality changes since the originals I don't think I could go back to that. Things like only 20 bag slots and pokemon boxes not changing automatically. Or hold items and breeding. The originals are awesome but I personally can't go back and play them again.
Pretty much this. Can't believe people are defending NoA on this one.
The drip release is not a strategy to keep people interested in the service. Hell, if it was, you don't keep people interested by continously releasing nothing or crap. NoA has stated - they've got very limited resources spread between getting eShop titles and Virtual Console titles released. The drip release is a function of how little Nintendo cares about VC.
iTunes is a great comparison - people get on there because they can shop for the songs they want to buy. They don't go on iTunes to see what Apple has released this week (although a new releases section is certainly a function of an online store). And Apple makes great efforts to make sure that they have the digital content people want on their store. You think it's hard for Nintendo to get the Capcom Disney games rights? Apple got the Beatles, after the two parties had a bitter lawsuit in the past that was supposed to keep Apple out of the music business!
For those saying, well, there are enough good titles already. Look at another digital store - Netflix's streaming library. It has more tv shows and movies than you can watch in a lifetime probably, and people still complain about the selection. While I was looking for the exact number, I found this quote by their CEO: "Mr. Hastings: It's hard for us to get into a new market; it's expensive. We have to license a large set of content for a relatively large amount of dollars just to launch, to be able to have enough content to attract members. Then we have to market hard, then we build the subscriber base."
Nintendo is even getting beat badly by Sony in this area! This isn't about loving or hating Nintendo. Nintendo is a business that offers a service. The service is terrible.
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