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[Toxi]

I am not desperate for any narrative. Stop seeing things that aren't there.

You just insinuated the director of the game was lying. How the fuck is that not reaching for a narrative?

If you think it's weird that he sees fat jokes as immature in a game like Uncharted, that's fine. But don't claim he's lying just because he didn't give the answer that you wanted.

 

[The Goat]

I can understand them not wanting to offend. At the current rate, we'll never see an overweight character or butt again in games

 

[DrGonzo615]

No, the reason was

You're claiming he's lying because you're desperate for a narrative that isn't there.

Maybe if this decision was made in a vacuum you'd have a point. But its not a conspiracy if people are speculating on this when its happening on a regular basis these days.

 

[KORNdoggy]

How is the fat dude doing cool adventurey shit not a positive portrayal? What would be in this context, particularly one that would require such a degree of side work?

because it's called donut drake and his voice has been tone shifted to sound like even his mouth is fat. it was done for a reason and it was nothing to do with a positive portrayal of an overweight character. it was a "point and laugh" idea.

 

[Ban Puncher]

Is "fat culture" a thing now?

 

[WrenchNinja]

I can understand them not wanting to offend. At the current rate, we'll never see an overweight character or butt again in games

There's always the saints row character creator

 

[Majek]

because the taunts don't upset anyone. slapping your virtual ass or doing the motions of taking a selfie is just humorous. now, if the taunts in the game were....for instance...making a gesture to imply you're "retarded" complete with "timmy" from south park voice work and the taunt was called " cerebral palsy", do you understand how that would illicit a negative reaction from people?

it stops being funny in it's own right, and is trying to be funny while putting a group of people down.

this is just ND being mindful that people can get hurt over negative imagery. and i see nothing wrong with that. i just personally don't find it insulting...but then i'm not everyone...so...

You've got some fucked up logic.

 

[TheSeks]

Probably for the best. He's right, they kind of matured past that.

Except it's a joke. Donut Drake has been in since the first. Nobody complained about it. Everybody realized it's just poking fun at Drake's expense.

 

[Dennis]

You just insinuated the director of the game was lying. How the fuck is that not reaching for a narrative?

You said "desperate" for a narrative. Like this is some huge issue that I am involved in instead of some light hearted jab at the developer.

It appears to be you who are desperate for some kind of outrage narrative.

I couldn't care less about this optional skin.

I am mocking the citing of maturity as the reason given that the whole premise of the game is so immature. I could be wrong. I could be right. Either way it is not that serious and not worth getting that upset about.

 

[Phu]

What's a PC replacement name for Fat? I keep thinking Husky, but that might even be pushing it. Just call it (insert heavy weighted replacement name here) Drake and don't make it attributed to bad lifestyle. Heavy set people are practically invisible already, I'd say Doughnut Drake actually makes more people empathize a little bit more.

Can there really be a PC word for fat? It's literally fat that makes characters fat.

 

[Valkyr1983]

I can understand them not wanting to offend. At the current rate, we'll never see an overweight character or butt again in games

The witcher 3 features tons of butts, both male and female, and overweight characters.

Don't recall any controversy with either in that game

Do things well and people don't have an issue with it. Immaturity is a problem. Games aren't just for kids anymore

 

[Jarate]

as a fat dude this upsets me greatly

id rather be represented as a joke then have 0 representation at all. Just seems like an excuse too not add in extra work :/ Nobody cared about Donut Drake

 

[Perfect Blue]

His reason was maturity. People point out that Uncharted is an immature franchise and will continue to be an immature franchise about murdering people while you joke around.

This meme of Nathan Drake being a murderer is so tiring. How doesn't it get boring to repeat the same nonsense 24/7?

 

[KyleCross]

As a 300lb gentleman who's been made fun of my whole life and hate myself everyday I gotta say; this is bullshit. Neil and ND in general has gotten too serious for their own good.

 

[Shifty]

What about mirror mode, different filters and so on?

That stuff missing from part 3 was huge disappointment.

Mirror mode isn't allowed, people who get offended at the idea of left-handed people being offended might be offended.

 

[Toxi]

Maybe if this decision was made in a vacuum you'd have a point. But its not a conspiracy if people are speculating on this when its happening on a regular basis these days.

Do you have any actual evidence that fat Drake was removed due to fear of backlash?

Do you have any actual evidence that Neil Druckmann is lying about the reason they removed fat Drake?

No?

Then get your tinfoil hat off and stop looking for chemtrails.

 

[Perfect Blue]

Except it's a joke. Donut Drake has been in since the first. Nobody complained about it. Everybody realized it's just poking fun at Drake's expense.

It's poking fun by associating fat people as something to be laughed at and mocked. I don't particularly care either way about the inclusion of the skin but it's not hard to see why ND is against the idea of having him in the game.

 

[Nibel]

Kudos to Neil, Bruce and the rest of the gang - I respect this choice.

 

[Murder. She Wrote]

You can easily argue having a fat drake in the game is awesome because it give us the ability to play a character with a non-normative body.

Of course calling it Donut Drake ruins that notion

 

[AcademicSaucer]

Well 35.7% of US adults are obese and around two thirds are overweight , I can see where he is coming from

 

[WrenchNinja]

You can easily argue having a fat drake in the game is awesome because it give us the ability to play a character with a non-normative body.

Of course calling it Donut Drake ruins that notion

I thought it was a Simpsons thing. Homer being fat and obsessed with donuts

 

[ZerOmegaG]

It's poking fun by associating fat people as something to be laughed at and mocked.

It completely depends on the viewer if they want to laugh at something like that. He's not any less capable than thin Drake.

 

[Lucreto]

So there is not option for having Donut Drake, Donut Sully and Donut Sam going on an adventure in Africa?

Fat people like adventures too.

 

[Carl]

Doughnut Drake is the best thing about Uncharted though

 

[dralla]

There's no doubt we need more diversity and inclusion in games, overweight characters being a part of that, but doughnut Drake was nothing more than a
'joke" to be a laughed at. Glad to see it gone.

 

[Toxi]

It completely depends on the viewer if they want to laugh at something like that. He's not any less capable than thin Drake.

Donut Drake is pretty obviously intended to be a joke. The humor comes through the juxtaposition of the handsome, athletic Drake character doing crazy stunts with a morbidly obese physique.

But you are right that it's up to the viewer if they want to laugh. Death of the artist and all that.

 

[Tobe Tobusch]

That cat is fat !

Damn and I thought my cat was fat.

 

[Raylan]

as a fat dude this upsets me greatly

id rather be represented as a joke then have 0 representation at all. Just seems like an excuse too not add in extra work :/ Nobody cared about Donut Drake

Please take a look around and see how everyone is offended about everything. Every day. About everything. Check social media, politics, television. It's okay to NOT fat shame. Especially for a big studio like Naughty Dog. What's there to NOT understand? Especially when the fat Drake skin is absolutely useless.

 

[EBE]

ridiculous.

 

[Jarate]

There's no doubt we need more diversity and inclusion in games, overweight characters being a part of that, but doughnut Drake was nothing more than a
'joke" to be a laughed at. Glad to see it gone.

says the completely skinny guy

I'd rather be a joke then not be included at all.

Please take a look around and see how everyone is offended about everything. Every day. About everything. Check social media, politics, television. It's okay to NOT fat shame. Especially for a big studio like Naughty Dog. What's there to NOT understand? Especially when the fat Drake skin is absolutely useless.

Except Ive literally never seen anyone make a big deal about this. Like, this was done on what basis? Who cared before this? There was absolutely no uproar

 

[Jonbo298]

Ding Dong man, Ding Dong. Ding Dong.

 

[Evolved1]

I respect their decision. Haven't found the counterarguments here in the thread to be particularly compelling either, tbh.

 

[Perfect Blue]

It completely depends on the viewer if they want to laugh at something like that. He's not any less capable than thin Drake.

Well it's meant to be a joke but sure. ND doesn't want to take the risk.

 

[Doug Heffernan]

Future paid DLC.

 

[Kaako]

God damnit. Fat drake was my boi.

 

[psynergylover]

should've kept for sp but glad he's gone for mp, people use to abuse the shit out of him because his hit box was that of regular size drake even though he was twice the size

 

[FantasticMrFoxdie]

Yeah I respect their decision. Either way people are going to complain anyways. lol

 

[Toxi]

Well it's meant to be a joke but sure. ND doesn't want to take the risk.

It's not that ND "doesn't want to take the risk"; the developers didn't like the joke.

 

[Danis Saur]

Like some of you have said, they have the freedom to express their beliefs, and that fat drake is no longer representative of what Naughty Dog is today.

I can respect that, but personally it makes me sad that they are taking away Doughnut Drake so not to offend (assuming that's the reason). Its their decision, and again I'm respecting it.

 

[stargateheaven]

Yes it's not very mature. But who cares? Add as much stupid shit as possible. It's a video game.

Big head mode, doughnut drake, upside down face mode. I don't care.. add it all!!

 

[TetraGenesis]

I agree with him. Good choice.

 

[WrenchNinja]

says the completely skinny guy

I'd rather be a joke then not be included at all.

Except Ive literally never seen anyone make a big deal about this. Like, this was done on what basis? Who cared before this? There was absolutely no uproar

Yeah I don't know. I went through the trophy thread for the NDC, and people thought the Donut stuff was funny, no one was complaining about it.

 

[Rembrandt]

Totally. I'm sure this is what they are tryna avoid.
Look at the kerfuffle already with Laura Bailey playing a black character, people can be sensitive to a lot of things.

Hopefully ND have other jokey alternatives to doughnut Drake in the game.

What a weird comparison.

 

[Raylan]

Except Ive literally never seen anyone make a big deal about this. Like, this was done on what basis? Who cared before this? There was absolutely no uproar

And now there won't be any uproar for sure regarding fat shaming, because there is zero reason for it.

AND.... as already stated: ND did NOT like the joke. So it won't happen in UC4.
That's it.

 

[Alienous]

says the completely skinny guy

I'd rather be a joke then not be included at all.



Except Ive literally never seen anyone make a big deal about this. Like, this was done on what basis? Who cared before this? There was absolutely no uproar

It won't be long until we look back on things like doughnut Drake and wonder how that was allowed.

It is the way things are headed, and it's easy to see that now. It won't be as much of a big deal now but in five years? It could prove to be a blemish on a game Naughty Dog tried to be sensitive with otherwise.

 

[friskykillface]

Fat Drake will be DLC
Calling it now

"We've heard the fans, buy him today for $4.99"

 

[Jarate]

And now there won't be any uproar for sure regarding fat shaming, because there is zero reason for it.

"don't take risks in case people get upset"

mean while, Drake will murder 400 people in comedic ways :|

I can comprehend why they would do it, but it doesn't make it alright or ok.

You can see where things away headed. It won't be long until we look back on things like doughnut Drake and wonder how that was allowed. It's the way things are headed, and it's easy to see that now. It won't be as much of a big deal now but in five years? It could prove to be a blemish on a game Naughty Dog tried to be sensitive with otherwise.

You have absolutely no way of reading the future or knowing what people will think of in the future.

 

[Alienous]

"don't take risks in case people get upset"

mean while, Drake will murder 400 people in comedic ways :|

I can comprehend why they would do it, but it doesn't make it alright or ok.

Who does that offend? The dead?

 

[Raylan]

"don't take risks in case people get upset"

mean while, Drake will murder 400 people in comedic ways :|

I can comprehend why they would do it, but it doesn't make it alright or ok.

First of all what the hell are you even talking about? 'Not taking risks, because they don't like a useless fat Drake skin'? What? Again, what?

Second, the good old 'Drake is a mass murderer' crap got boring as hell. Start something new or keep it.

 

[Snkfanatic]

Yeah I respect their decision. Either way people are going to complain anyways. lol

Yeah...we have people in this thread saying they won't buy it now because of this change. Ridiculous