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No love scene in games? Why?

The US is the biggest market, sex is taboo

Love scene = Fox news interview :P

It boogles my mind how it is ok for the same audience to see somebodies head blown off in graphic detail but a nipple would make huge waves.
 
Metal Gear Solid 3 : Snake Eater
 
RubxQub said:
Movies and games are completely different in this respect.

Titanic = PG13 and yet we get ass and breast shots of Kate Winslet.
Movies that are R can show pretty much anything but penetration.

When it comes to games, I believe the argument has always been that since it is an interactive medium, the sexual acts are frowned upon more.

Why it's OK to be the guy murdering everyone in a Teen game, but it's not OK to be the guy fucking the head cheerleader in an M game is completely stupid.
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Exactly. And that's where it's getting stupid. Interactive or not, your subconcious remembers what you saw. I'm sure it's impossible for a game to influence more than a movie does. There's no real actions made, it's moving fingers. I could move my finger and imagining i'm controlling the guy in a movie too.

I think we are just yet to discover many intricacies of our phychology and since videogames aren't accepted as much as movies and books as valid entertainment and/or art form, you will not see those love scenes.

I mean, we could debate right there the interactivity argument by asking WHY can't we have cut-scenes (basically movies) that are a love scene then?

After that i'm not even tackling the question or violence vs sex/nudity. It takes some really freaking violent and wierd sex to beat violence and killing in my book. But this is some huge problem of our puritain (and archaic) society.

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ChackanKun said:
So....is everyone forgetting about God of War?! WTF?? :lol :lol :lol
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I mentioned that on the last page. It's actually interactive, but you don't see any ... action. But you can hear it :lol
 
1. The main audience doesn't want/need it (15 year old boys). I'm hoping this changes as the first full modern gaming generation (NES and afterwards) reaches full intellectual maturity. I suspect we'll be well into our 40s before we see anything truly Oscar worthy.

2. Not an artistically serious medium, yet. This is the first medium in the history of humankind in which the art came after the entertainment, and the audience (above) has a major part of that. Remember, at its heart, gaming is games. As noted, I think we'll see some boundary-pushing stuff in the next 10-15 years. Hopefully sooner.

3. Ratings board rules content. This might be the biggest problem to truly exploring the boundaries of storytelling ability. No, we don't need nudity, but we need a rating system that isn't targeted towards 5-18 year olds. I think it should mirror the movie rating system. Look at relatively simple movie like Top Gun and realize the hot (but tame) love scene would warrant an AO rating by the ESRB. Perhaps cut scenes and interactive scenes should be rated separately? Perhaps we should adopt the G-PG13-R-X ratings for consistency?

4. They will eventually appear as the medium reaches its boundaries of storytelling. I fully believe that we'll see serious attempts at romantic storytelling soon. I try to remember that even the great medium of film had many firsts, like the first time people spoke in a movie (talkies), the first time a director used an upward angle, the first time film appeared in color, and the first time film left the stage and explored the world around us. Let us remember those firsts as gaming sees its own firsts. And let us not accept less than the best, and let our reviewers be serious. When we can review games on two separate aspects (gaming vs. storytelling) and have serious criticism (like the Rolling Stone does for music), we should start seeing more and better storylines that include serious love scenes.
 
-xBerserker- said:
I mentioned that on the last page. It's actually interactive, but you don't see any ... action. But you can hear it :lol
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And only someone really dumb doesn't know what's happening :lol

And the game is full of frontal nudity.

Also, gotta mention Phantasmagoria 2 :º
 
Eccocid said:
While they are so proud of storytelling and everything in games when it comes to compare it with cinema and books.
Why there is no proper love scene in games? Does it make the rating skyrocket?
But there are many games with T and M rating? Can T rating have full frontal nudity?

Do game characters lack reproductive organs? lol

Many games skip those part with a simple "kissing".
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wat game has a love story as a main one?

only one i remember is ffx, and thry got that kissing scene
 
Seriously though video games can barely tell a nonsensical sci-fi story but now you want them to start delving in to human interaction?
 
as people have stated, they're there. granted, we are a ways off before every other mainstream game has a solid fuck scene in it.
 
PantherLotus said:
1. The main audience doesn't want/need it (15 year old boys). I'm hoping this changes as the first full modern gaming generation (NES and afterwards) reaches full intellectual maturity. I suspect we'll be well into our 40s before we see anything truly Oscar worthy.

2. Not an artistically serious medium, yet. This is the first medium in the history of humankind in which the art came after the entertainment, and the audience (above) has a major part of that. Remember, at its heart, gaming is games. As noted, I think we'll see some boundary-pushing stuff in the next 10-15 years. Hopefully sooner.

3. Ratings board rules content. This might be the biggest problem to truly exploring the boundaries of storytelling ability. No, we don't need nudity, but we need a rating system that isn't targeted towards 5-18 year olds. I think it should mirror the movie rating system. Look at relatively simple movie like Top Gun and realize the hot (but tame) love scene would warrant an AO rating by the ESRB. Perhaps cut scenes and interactive scenes should be rated separately? Perhaps we should adopt the G-PG13-R-X ratings for consistency?

4. They will eventually appear as the medium reaches its boundaries of storytelling. I fully believe that we'll see serious attempts at romantic storytelling soon. I try to remember that even the great medium of film had many firsts, like the first time people spoke in a movie (talkies), the first time a director used an upward angle, the first time film appeared in color, and the first time film left the stage and explored the world around us. Let us remember those firsts as gaming sees its own firsts. And let us not accept less than the best, and let our reviewers be serious. When we can review games on two separate aspects (gaming vs. storytelling) and have serious criticism (like the Rolling Stone does for music), we should start seeing more and better storylines that include serious love scenes.
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Great post.
 
Max Payne 2 kinda had one in the comic book scenes and the audio was pretty explicit, from what I remember. God of War 1 and 2 had some areas that you could do kind of a joke sex scene. Obviously didn't show anything other than boobs.
 
andycapps said:
Max Payne 2 kinda had one in the comic book scenes and the audio was pretty explicit, from what I remember. God of War 1 and 2 had some areas that you could do kind of a joke sex scene. Obviously didn't show anything.
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Just played this recently...it was really well done. I loved the mellow-dramatic lines that followed as well lol.
 
Most games aren't mature enough and most game designers are not talented enough to present them in a believable way. Relatively primitive graphics and animation don't help at all. If even in high-end CG like The Spirits Within it comes off awkward, what chance do games have? :P

I can't remember the last time I thought to myself "damn a hot steamy sex scene would've been perfect at this point" when playing a game, either. :P I'll bet your ass Heavy Rain will have one of those, though. :P

And the whole "lulz maimed characters, exploding heads, arms falling off is A-OK, but teh sex is TEH TABOO" american way of life.
 
Drensch said:
It seems to me that, in this thread at least, love scene=fucking. That might be why it isn't in games.
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The op refers to censored organs and skipping the sex scene with a blanket kiss scene. That's why the thread is in the direction it is.
 
The funny thing is, we can have decapitations and everything is fine, but no no no we can't have 'sex'.

btw, the other day I was playing God of War, my gf was watching, after the sex minigame she left... :lol
 
Drensch said:
It seems to me that, in this thread at least, love scene=fucking. That might be why it isn't in games.
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Still why not? If "fucking" fits the theme of the character?

Why is death,dismemberment, profanity set on a lower scale that sex?
 
For those of you mentioning stuff like God of War:

A love scene is not a sex scene.

People so easily conflating the two probably has a lot to do with why there aren't more of them.
 
Proc said:
Just played this recently...it was really well done. I loved the mellow-dramatic lines that followed as well lol.
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Yes it was, loved the whole mood of that game. Wish I hadn't sold it back to Gamestop years ago for about $2-5. Could always pick it up on Steam for dirt cheap but just haven't done it yet.
 
BobsRevenge said:
Mafia has done it best. Easily.
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This

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Why'll it looks crudely rendered now, you can appreciate what they were going for and I haven't seen it replicated as well in a game since.
 
Because sex scenes weren't fun to play till the Wii remote was released. And even then, it's only fun for girls and guys with alternative lifestyles.

Pfft.
 
Dunlop said:
Still why not? If "fucking" fits the theme of the character?

Why is death,dismemberment, profanity set on a lower scale that sex?
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Because you can't get AIDs or pregnant from killing people.
 
sonicmj1 said:
For those of you mentioning stuff like God of War:

A love scene is not a sex scene.

People so easily conflating the two probably has a lot to do with why there aren't more of them.
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Well, maybe there aren't more love scenes because CHARACTERS ARE USUALLY OCCUPIED IN BATTLES THAT DECIDE THE WORLD/UNIVERSE/EVERYTHING'S FATE! :lol :lol :lol

Sorry, there's no time for romance lol

FFX just got it right.
 
someone should make a rape simulator with XXX sex scenes and throw some BDSM in there for the heck of it. then maybe a relatively tamer sex scene in another game won't annoy anyone too much

or not.

i just don't trust many game developers to utilise well thought out and non-gratuitous sex scenes for the sake of story.
 
Developers can't even create an coherent storyline or sympathetic characters. But you want them writing love scenes?

Think, "Your skin is smooth, not rough like this sand."
 
As long as the NA market is the biggest in gaming, erotic imagery won't play a significant part in software overall.
 
chase said:
Developers can't even create an coherent storyline or sympathetic characters. But you want them writing love scenes?

Think, "Your skin is smooth, not rough like this sand."
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What the hell are you talking about?

"I should have been the one to fill your dark soul with LIGHT!" is the most romantic line ever.

ChackanKun said:
And what would you change?
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YUNA: I'm going to die. *sigh*
TIDUS: *meaningful look*
YUNA: Sorry, didn't mean to hurt the mood. Cheer up.
TIDUS: *chuckles* Okay.

*giggles*

Are you kidding?
 
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