Better not lock story missions though until you clear x amounts of the map (looking at you AC Syndicate)
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No Mafia III Review Copies Ahead of Launch
- Thread starter SunBroDave
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Better not lock story missions though until you clear x amounts of the map (looking at you AC Syndicate)
Dyson Industries
Banned
What's the problem?
I already expect to go through city zone by zone. Going to zone A, doing open world grind until underboss for A is unlocked and then take him out => zone A is mine and I get benefits of own underboss. Rinse and repeat until all zones done. Underbosses of main antagonist are most likely very heavily tied into story progress so... yeah.
I don't mind that being the gameplay loop OUTSIDE of the story missions, seeing as how in previous Mafia games there simply was no loop outside of the storyline. But do we know if access to the story stuff is locked behind the racket shit? That would be disappointing if so.
EDIT: Read the above post. Ehhhhhhhhhhh.
orthodoxy1095
Banned
Watching that hour of footage that was posted, this "destroy stag flicks" thing looks like some of the most boring and tedious shit ever. Holy moly.
Mafia 2 was baddidn't know that bummer
On the contrary for me, Mafia 2 and 1 for that matter, are fantastic games imo. If you go into the game all "hype" for action non-stop and open world GTA, you have picked the wrong game. Mafia 2 and 1 are linear story driven games focused on the characters and the Mafia itself rather than just straight run and gun action. Expect a lot of story, driving, dialogue / character building, some action / stealth, and a city with no side activities.
psychotron
Member
I just don't know what to think. Some parts look great while others look almost broken. Will wait for the GAF consensus before purchasing.
Have they said that partaking in the side activities is mandatory? I mean if it's too mundane or repetitive isn't there an option to not complete some of the open world tasks and just progress through the story?
After the barren world of Empire Bay was supplanted with meaningless filler missions in the DLC, I like that they've interwoven some of the more mundane activities with explorable open world interiors. I'm looking forward to just taking over a lot of the map, at a slow pace alongside the story.
After the barren world of Empire Bay was supplanted with meaningless filler missions in the DLC, I like that they've interwoven some of the more mundane activities with explorable open world interiors. I'm looking forward to just taking over a lot of the map, at a slow pace alongside the story.
DragoonKain
Neighbours from Hell
I've never played a Mafia game before. Can anyone answer a few questions about Mafia 3? I was thinking about getting it?
Is it basically just a GTA clone? I have to admit, I've grown weary of all the GTA clones, and I really didn't find Watch Dogs all that great. I mean, it wasn't a bad game, but I did regret spending full price on it at launch. I just found it ok.
Anything set it apart from those types of games?
Debating on whether or not I should wait for a Black Friday deal or pick this up at launch.
Is it basically just a GTA clone? I have to admit, I've grown weary of all the GTA clones, and I really didn't find Watch Dogs all that great. I mean, it wasn't a bad game, but I did regret spending full price on it at launch. I just found it ok.
Anything set it apart from those types of games?
Debating on whether or not I should wait for a Black Friday deal or pick this up at launch.
From what I can gather you need to kill certain mob bosses in order to progress the story, and in order to draw them out of hiding you'll need to fuck up their territory, which is going to include side missions. Think how in Shadow of Mordor you had to draw out the warchiefs by doing certain things, except on a likely larger scale.
You're entering the series at a very interesting juncture - Mafia 3 is the first game in the series to go in a fully open world direction. With the Mafia games you get some great narrative and characterization and some solid set piece shootouts and missions. You also get a distinct sense of time and place, because these games really embrace the atmosphere of the era they're set in.The car handling in Mafia 2 also was pretty wonderful.
Are you getting a GTA clone? Not entirely, but this title definitely moving in the direction more of Assassin's Creed Syndicate - District takeover and gang bosses to eliminate. Probably a really good story, and a real attempt for these devs and writers to tackle a time period that's never been done in videogames with a Black lead. It's an exciting time.
Golden_Pigeon
Banned
Mafia 1 was a little clanky technically but was amazing. Like a realistic GTA, and something frustrating but i loved it (damn this racing mission!!!!).
Mafia 2 was, for me, a big deception since it was way more "arcady", so what was the point ?
I think Mafia III will be as "arcady" but may be better if the story is strong and the gameplay emergent. I believe the story could be strong but i am a little afraid about the gameplay.
Each of the Mafia games is shaping up to very different really. 1 is sort of a proto-GTA style game but a lot more grounded. 2 was a mainly linear shooter with some driving through an empty world. This one's looking like more of a GTA style game than the others. Though I suppose San Andreas GTA style with the taking over territory concepts from that one.
1 and 2 both had a strong story focus that made it different from others in the genre. Remains to be seen with 3.
1 and 2 both had a strong story focus that made it different from others in the genre. Remains to be seen with 3.
Roufianos
Member
Dafuq happened to you, Vito? Looks 2 different persons.
That looks like Vito to me. I just showed it to my sister who loved Mafia 2 and she guessed who it was.
Can't wait to see how his story concludes.
I don't think 1 and 2 are very different. The structure is pretty much exactly the same in both games. Difference is in the quality.
orthodoxy1095
Banned
I don't think there's a problem with the idea of "drawing bosses out of hiding." I'm worried that their execution is going to be extremely tedious and utterly boring to do though.
Gonna be a wait and see with me. I can afford the game but it's the time element that's more important to me nowadays.
Hate wasting my gaming time on potential janky rubbish. So will wait for real impressions after a week or two. When the honeymoon period is over and people are less swayed by hype.
Hate wasting my gaming time on potential janky rubbish. So will wait for real impressions after a week or two. When the honeymoon period is over and people are less swayed by hype.
Gamezone
Gold Member
Before:
My guess is that his appearance might change throughout the game.
At least the boring things you do to unlock the boss encounter should be different across districts, I'm hoping.
I'm still definitely interested in the game, just because the premise of the story, the main character's background and the setting all seem fantastic to me, but yeah, I can't help but feel seriously disappointed at the more "open world" game design approach that 3 is taking.
I feel like I'll enjoy remembering and talking about 3 more than actually playing it, which is a shame.
Even the idea itself isn't that good, imo. The repetitive nature of the progress structure is already boring in itself. It would be more interesting if different bosses had different gameplay loops involved with them. Maybe one of them was super confident and you need to do enough damage to get them to show themselves, another one you'd get closer to by working with, and then kill them when the time is right. Yet another boss could just have their own schedule throughout the city, and you could find and kill them at any place they could be at any given time, or even in between those places, on the streets. It would already make things more interesting than "do side stuff while you look at a damage meter to see how close you are to unlocking the meaningful content". Even if the side stuff is actually fun, it would get tiresome to go through the exact same process a bunch of times.
I'm still definitely interested in the game, just because the premise of the story, the main character's background and the setting all seem fantastic to me, but yeah, I can't help but feel seriously disappointed at the more "open world" game design approach that 3 is taking.
I feel like I'll enjoy remembering and talking about 3 more than actually playing it, which is a shame.
Even the idea itself isn't that good, imo. The repetitive nature of the progress structure is already boring in itself. It would be more interesting if different bosses had different gameplay loops involved with them. Maybe one of them was super confident and you need to do enough damage to get them to show themselves, another one you'd get closer to by working with, and then kill them when the time is right. Yet another boss could just have their own schedule throughout the city, and you could find and kill them at any place they could be at any given time, or even in between those places, on the streets. It would already make things more interesting than "do side stuff while you look at a damage meter to see how close you are to unlocking the meaningful content". Even if the side stuff is actually fun, it would get tiresome to go through the exact same process a bunch of times.
orthodoxy1095
Banned
Fair point. It would be much more interesting if each boss had a different way to get him rather than what seems to just be a property damage counter. SoM at least added some variation to each warchief having different weaknesses and strengths. I wonder if these bosses in Mafia will even have that.
Diverse, haha. These games indulge in the most stereotypical characterizations ever.
Sure. But games featuring black protagonists are few and far between. I think that's what he was getting at.
flipswitch
Member
admartian
Member
Calm down timelord.
At least one thing is definitely returning as a series' staple: A bunch of indoors environments. That is so cool, and gave missions a much more unique feel to them. It's great to see that apparently having a bunch of open world stuff to do didn't negatively impact their ability to have more fully explorable interiors than your average open world.
I can see interiors being next step open world games take. Maybe reduce overall size of the world from e.g. GTAV's size, but add a lot interiors you can freely explore. From shags to multi-floor buildings.
ScaryShark
Banned
The interior combat is the no. 1 reason I want this. The video of Lincoln making his way through that office building is what solidified my purchase. I hope there's a lot of that.
This is exactly what I'm hoping Cyberpunk 2077 will do. The setting doesn't really land itself to vast fields like The Witcher does, so if they want to match or surpass the size of Wild Hunt, having big ass interiors in one reasonably sized city is the way to go.
Yeah, it's something that will set it apart from other similar games, no matter how generic the game's structure might be.
Well, at least we know there are a lot of guns.
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flipswitch
Member
So currently it's Wednesday 5th October, 11.45AM.
On the steam page it shows this:
2 days would make it the 7th.
:shrugs:
Fine by me!
On the steam page it shows this:
2 days would make it the 7th.
:shrugs:
Fine by me!
Mafia 2 was bad
It will take a lot for Mafia 3 to be worse than Mafia 2, is all I'm gonna say.
Hopefully one can alter some files or create mod to rename all weapons and cars. Weird to read some random line of words as name for e.g. Colt .45.
exmachina64
Banned
So currently it's Wednesday 5th October, 11.45AM.
On the steam page it shows this:
2 days would make it the 7th.
:shrugs:
Fine by me!
Anything between 48 and 72 hours is going to be listed as two days on Steam.
tiebreaker
Member
I'm on the fence regarding this game. On one hand, I really like the setting and the theme they are trying to tackle, but on the other hand, I really hate the open world GTA style.
flipswitch
Member
What they usually show is days and hours, eg : 2 days 8hrs,( like with DX:MD) but now it's just days.
Afaik Mafia 3 release is local midnight, 8th. So NZ is first to get the game.
Tainted
Member
Mafia 2 was bad
I personally loved Mafia II, different strokes for different folks. It's dirt cheap on Steam, may as well pick it up and make up your own mind.
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Deleted member 325805
Unconfirmed Member
The AI man, enemies just stand there talking not investigating or even fighting back sometimes, does it hurt the gameplay as much as I'm assuming it does from the video? They just seem so dumb and it's distracting as hell.
Also this is the most boring Mafia III has looked so far, it seems to be 70% finished, I wish they had delayed it honestly.
admartian
Member
yeeeea boooi! I'll let you all know from futureland how it is. Let's hope I don't alter the timeline by doing so...
I just fire up VPN and play 10h before my local release ;b Also as long you aren't Barry Allen we should be good, he can't help himself when it comes to messing with time.
Xaero Gravity
NEXT LEVEL lame™
Ugh, speaking of Barry Allen, that was a disappointingly rushed take on Flashpoint.
Primethius
Banned
Yes... Let's punish the developers for...?
I heard it's 1-2 episodes from beginning of the season so they can get it dealt with, I imagine they won't waste time with bringing Supergirl references into Flash and Arrow either. But agreed that it's shame how fast they deal with Flashpoint after basically whole last half of previous season building into this, what could have been, large storyline.
Will watch Flash's season opener later today.
exmachina64
Banned
Yeah! That'll teach those lazy developers!
dragonflys545
Member
I have this Pre-ordered! I can't wait to get my hands on it.
Yeah, because withholding review copies is always the developer's idea! That'll learn 'em.