Lets just stop at your first 2 words. But if. That is one mighty big if. I think you can calm down if that is what is worrying you.
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No MP in The Order: 1886, confirmed
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Lets just stop at your first 2 words. But if. That is one mighty big if. I think you can calm down if that is what is worrying you.
You should probably play Warframe then. Fast action TPS that's pure MP all the way, and FREE.
Seems that many are forgetting or ignoring Blacklight: Retribution, Warframe and to some extent War Thunder as competitive multiplayer options that are console exclusive to Sony?
They also have PlanetSide 2 coming which is likely to be massive on the console and to a lesser extent Guns of Icarus Online and Earth Defense force coming out as well in 2014 which are console exclusive shooters.
I think its disingenuous seeing suggestions that the PS4 needs to get its act together with regards to shooters and competitive multiplayer games.
They also have PlanetSide 2 coming which is likely to be massive on the console and to a lesser extent Guns of Icarus Online and Earth Defense force coming out as well in 2014 which are console exclusive shooters.
I think its disingenuous seeing suggestions that the PS4 needs to get its act together with regards to shooters and competitive multiplayer games.
iceatcs
Junior Member
I think 2 hours will be fine. What the point ten times.
Sleepy Buddha
Member
Has no Co-op been confirmed? I'd certainly like that, would be all over Igraine. But not having it doesn't dampen my interest.
Ok friend, lets dial it back a bit!
I think the thought tangent between this 1 game being made as a single player focused title, and the rest of Sony's first party devs (this game is a joint effort between sony and ready at dawn I think?) following suit is a bit of a stretch.
I mean, yeah I don't think Killzone's multiplayer ever had the amount of players online as say; a new Call of Duty game. I'm sure there's at least a healthy amount of people playing online all the time. I think maybe the players it lost was due to Ghosts finally being patched to be playable, and I would say Battlefield 4 as well. But I'm not sure if that game is fully functional yet lol.
Let's just take a wait and see approach. There are nearly a dozen first party titles that haven't even been announced yet! The biggest MP contenders are all either PC or multiplatform right now anyways. Including TitanFall since I know a lot of folks are looking at the PC version.
AltogetherAndrews
Member
Well, it's shit.
The Ps4 Looks Great
Banned
Ok friend, lets dial it back a bit!
I think the thought tangent between this 1 game being made as a single player focused title, and the rest of Sony's first party devs (this game is a joint effort between sony and ready at dawn I think?) following suit is a bit of a stretch.
I mean, yeah I don't think Killzone's multiplayer ever had the amount of players online as say; a new Call of Duty game. I'm sure there's at least a healthy amount of people playing online all the time. I think maybe the players it lost was due to Ghosts finally being patched to be playable, and I would say Battlefield 4 as well. But I'm not sure if that game is fully functional yet lol.
Let's just take a wait and see approach. There are nearly a dozen first party titles that haven't even been announced yet! The biggest MP contenders are all either PC or multiplatform right now anyways. Including TitanFall since I know a lot of folks are looking at the PC version.
It's dead man.
There was that rumor a while back which stated Sony had a 100 person team working on a F2P title. I don't know what that turned out to be, but I'm sure they have something planned. Beside, the biggest MP game this generation will probably be multiplat.
Even if Sony only produced single player games (which they won't do), they'll have all the third party heavy hitters on their platform. Battlefield, Call of Duty, Fifa, Destiny etc.. Any multiplayer game will struggle to chip some numbers off from those userbases and sustain them. If your platform is popular enough you can get by on third party support - Microsoft proved that last generation. That is especially true for time intensive multiplayer modes, where people usually are fine with picking one or two games on which they spend their time.
The only downside I see is people trading their games in sooner, but that can be avoided with good single player dlc, if it becomes a problem.
Edit: I can't speak on the quality of the KZ SF multiplayer, but even if quality was an issue, it fell exactly into the "trap" of launching alongside the most popular other multiplayer games. That surely didn't do them any favors on the multiplayer front.
Have you played Killzone multiplayer? It's anything but shit. Probably among the best competitive multiplayer out there. It's just not particularly twitch based, nor as accessible as other shooters due to a lack of auto aim
The reason it's not as populated is because BF4 and COD are simply bigger and more popular shooters. Add to that, the lack of mic support with Shadow Fall early on really put a dent in it.
GameAddict411
Member
I am ok with this, lets just hope that the game is long enough to justify the full retail price.
Actually it's two games with Infamous getting announced to have no MP and The Order getting announced to have no MP within a week or two of each other.
We know a good chunk of PS4's exclusive lineup for 2014 and the two that are shooters (TPS) don't have MP. Whereas we also know a good chunk of XB1's exclusive lineup for 2014 and all of them outside Quantum Break have MP (hell, QB could have an MP mode, even). It's pretty clear that MS pushes their studios to have multiplayer modes and Sony doesn't...which just seems like a bad decision for sales in the US, which is very important this gen.
As a gamer, I agree that Sony's method is better because it results in better single player games, which are the types of games I play. But I also want Sony to make the right steps for the PS4 to do really well, so that it's well supported for the entire generation unlike the PS3 that was pretty spotty in support for the first few years due to it taking off slowly. PS4 has done great to change that around and as an owner of the system, I want to see them maintain the momentum and stay competitive.
Gears of War franchise and Halo franchise kind of go against this though. They fought CoD and BF and still sold millions and maintained healthy userbases in competitive MP. People bought Xboxes to play competitive MP in these games.
n00bsauce87
Member
awesome news. We saw how Tomb Raider was treated after release. We don't want that to happen again.
Planetside 2 says hi.
I really don't think Sony *needs* a AAA shooter , BF exists , Destiny exists and CoD exists.
They showed last gen that shooters are not their forte , and if game like Uncharted and TLoU come at the expense of a MAG or Resistance.....so be it.
So Sony made a huge strategic error and didn't greenlight any games that feature multiplayer and therefor is fucked because the first few years is what creates the network effect.
What now? They start development of a multiplayer game. But it's already too late, unless you think they should shit something out in 6 months. Maybe they could port COD
eclassified to PS4?My apologies lol, I don't have a ps4 yet. I just thought it would be a safe assumption based on the past console killzone titles lol. It never took long for me to find a game for the year that I played.
AltogetherAndrews
Member
KZ SF is as twitchy as any other shooter. Auto-aim may be decreased, but the core game is nowhere near the "realistic tactical" game that I've seen people claim. Also amusing to see that built-in support for spawn camping is alive and well in this day and age.
I've played many a shit game as of late, but only this one has had me actually say out loud "what a shit game" at least once per match.
Ludicrous Speed
Banned
Holy shit. No co-op or competitive multiplayer?
Damn. That stinks. TLoU had good multiplayer and that was a single player story focused game. There really is no excuse.
Real letdown
Damn. That stinks. TLoU had good multiplayer and that was a single player story focused game. There really is no excuse.
Real letdown
I'm glad he enjoyed his time but that seems like a way to artificially extend something I feel shouldn't really be that extended. The story strains under being dragged out that long and being set by the player's pace.
TLoU is narrative driven and personally I think that's too much of a dissonance. At that point its like playing a Bethesda game.
It's not just as twitchy at all. It still has a slower movement speed overall, and it doesn't have decreased auto aim either, it has NO auto-aim at all (except when you aim at shields for some reason). Different strokes for different folks.
But to me, Killzone will always be the hardcore or most skill based multiplayer shooter out of all the console shooters of this generation. Jumping from it to COD is pretty funny. One is an on the rails twitch based lock to shoot fest, the other actually requires precision aiming. Alas, that's not what the public gels with. They want instant gratification and constant positive reinforcement.
Gears won't be much of a factor this generation, because it'll launch when the consoles' reputations are pretty much set in stone and most people will have picked their platform of choice by then. Also keep in mind both Halo and Gears established themselves before Call of Duty became the power house that it is today and before Battlefield conquered consoles. They too would have a much tougher time getting those followings in today's world. I'm not sure, but to me it seems both games aren't as popular as they used to be, too. The reason for that is that the MP space is a lot like the MMO space, there just is no room for too many blockbusters.
I have no issue with this being tied to 30 FPS since I expect a rather slower-paced game with changing pacing alá TLoU or Gears to a certain extent
But come on, no multiplayer is bullshit - they have a interesting world and since it's a first-party exclusive I assume they also have the resources; a real shame
But come on, no multiplayer is bullshit - they have a interesting world and since it's a first-party exclusive I assume they also have the resources; a real shame
SolidSnakex
Member
They're also a small team and this is really their first big AAA project. They've previously only done ports and made games for handhelds. So, I don't think that it's a surprise that they'd want to focus all of their time and resources on making sure that the single player is exactly what they want it to be.
zackmorris
Member
Why assume that it will always be tacked on? This game is a third-person shooter, why couldn't the multiplayer be decent?
Normally I'm with you and don't care for multiplayer modes in games like God of War, Assassins Creed etc, but in a third-person shooter? I think it would have had the potential to be one of the best multiplayer experiences this year.
cyber_ninja
Member
Good news indeed. Too bad that some stupid reviewer will take the points off this game for not having mp; sad but true.
Halo 4 did not survive. Neither did Reach, I believe. They both sold well, but the MP died only a few months out because CoD is still king.
zackmorris
Member
I don't know about that. I don't think the game will lose points for not having multiplayer, however; if there is no Multiplayer and their reasoning is that they wanted to focus all their efforts on single player, then the single player better be absolutely flawless, or they do deserve to lose some points in my opinion.
AltogetherAndrews
Member
Eh, because the developer clearly wants to focus on SP. That's a sure sign that any multiplayer mode would have been "tacked on."
It's good that they don't need an "excuse", because there is no reason for it.
"The Order: 1886" is a pure singleplayer game and it doesn't "need" anything more.
Not a "letdown" when RAD never announced/teased a multiplayer mode.
Nightengale
Member
When a game lacks MP, it's obviously because the dev decides to not include it. There's no logical possibility that Sony themselves don't want an MP mode, unless of course including MP delays a game by 6 months.
If RAD doesn't want to do it so that they can focus on SP, then that's a good thing.
If RAD doesn't want to do it so that they can focus on SP, then that's a good thing.
Opus Angelorum
Member
They are also 100 people studio, they dont have a lot of resources to waste.
Dark_AnNiaLatOr
Member
If that's the case, I hope they'd have delayed it .
Nightengale
Member
Maybe, but if the dev themselves believe that the game is fine without MP, that means even if they had made an MP mode... it would've been an afterthought/something that wasn't part of the product vision.
Any game would've had more stuff had they more 'time.' Uncharted 1 would had have the quality of Uncharted 2 if they had 2 extra years.
They are independent contractors who got paid to produce game for Sony. Deals must be honored, and that includes timing of release.
Plus they have never made a game with MP component, and their SP campaign is maybe unsuitable for coop.
zackmorris
Member
Yes as of that announcement it was made clear, and if they now decide to add MP now it would clearly be tacked on. But prior to that announcement when the game is was in development, how does anyone know what the developer wanted to focus on? I'm pretty sure Naughty Dog's main focus was on Single Player with TLOU, but they still put together a great, top-notch MP experience. I'm not mad that their won't be MP, but I am slightly disappointed because I think it could have been fun.
dollartaco
Member
I love the bullshit reasoning that says genre x needs to have multiplayer modes because of course.
Thats a Bummer 
I really loved the idea of Halfbreed with agility, jumping, melees against the Order. But i kind of know why they are doing this.
RAD is not a really BIG team and it is their first Major AAA game. Although SSM helps them, i guess they dont have enough resources. Furthermore, both teams are not knwon for ecellent MP design.They dont just want to put Mp in there so you got a MP. If they do something they do it right and want perfection. And that what they couldnt do with a small team. They want to focus on Storytelling and emersion. Thats why I get the Choice.
I hope you deliver RaD with a fantastic SP and then i will be happy.
I really loved the idea of Halfbreed with agility, jumping, melees against the Order. But i kind of know why they are doing this.
RAD is not a really BIG team and it is their first Major AAA game. Although SSM helps them, i guess they dont have enough resources. Furthermore, both teams are not knwon for ecellent MP design.They dont just want to put Mp in there so you got a MP. If they do something they do it right and want perfection. And that what they couldnt do with a small team. They want to focus on Storytelling and emersion. Thats why I get the Choice.
I hope you deliver RaD with a fantastic SP and then i will be happy.
Its a little bit shit mate. Sorry.
Just finished a few warzone matches. Lag. Heavy movement. Gun doesn't always reload when you press the button. Janky run animation. Hipfire out the ass. Slow nades with super bright trails. Massive character models fighting to get through doors. Narrow fov. Dat unlock system. SHIT maps (KZ2 I miss you). SPAWN CAMPING OMG.
I could go on.
I actually like kz to some extent lol and im good at it. Its just rushed and it shows thats all.
What the hell are you even talking about?
cyber_ninja
Member
I think he drank some hate'orade earlier today.
CassidyIzABeast
Member
They talked about QTE events where you could grab weapons around you in that GI article. That wouldn't work so well with co-op because your buds would just shoot the attacker off you.
That's weird, because we haven't really seen anything of "The Order: 1886".
Only the short teaser during E3 and some Game Informer pics.
But it seems like you have seen some gameplay footage.
Tell us more, please.
Heavy movement? Yet, you miss KZ2? SF is lighter movement than previous entries.
People called for a hipfire buff, but GG said no.
The grenades are designed that way and are similar to other entries in the franchise.
Unlock system is skill friendly. People have an irrational attachment to exp grinding peasantry.