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Non Muslim Maylasians allowed to use word 'Allah', firebombing ensues.
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Darackutny
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Mohammed didn't ban non-Muslims from saying "Allah".
Mohammed didn't ban non-Muslims from saying "Allah".
Souldriver
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A professor of mine always said it's best to refer to these kind of bombings with "Jihadi terrorists" instead of "Islamist terrorists", because that way you prevent putting the blame on the people who're most likely the victim of these attacks. I agree.neorej said:
However, I don't think it's "the clearest form of propaganda" to call it an Islamist attack. More like ignorance and a lack of political correctness. After all, these terrorists justify their actions with a distorted or radical Islam reading, and they're part of the fundamentalist political Islam: islamism.
I prefer Jihadi terrorism though, it just better defines the borders of who the terrorists really are.
It's always funny to see how extremists are so ignorant of their own religions, or of much common sense (ban the only word for god, yay! :| ).Darackutny said:
Edit: scratch that, they aren't ignorant, they're just corrupt people spreading lies to corrupt the other members of their faith, especially those that are less active and therefore more ignorant to what is truly their religion or not, to achieve their own means. They just want to stir up shit so they can get an excuse for everyone to go to war, and get the non-extremists to ally with them (Venezuela's dictator's tactic. Keep reminding the people of the impending US invasion to rile them up and keep em in control!).
Darackutny
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Kunan said:
You had it right the first time. They are just plain ignorant.
mckmas8808
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legend166 said:
Exactly! My god people grow up. The actually word "Allah" isn't even the name of your god.
Doesn't just mean one god?
Invisible_Insane
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xelios said:
Not sure if serious.
Dabookerman
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SmokyDave said:
I will join you, gladly.
Jibril said:
It really seems more and more obvious that decent Islamists are the actual minority.
mckmas8808
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Jibril said:
What do you mean Bibical Aramaic uses the same word?
Count Dookkake
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Allah this over nothing.
Don't worry. The countries who practice this sort of Islam are just being dragged kicking and screaming with the rest of the secular world like Christianity was over the past couple hundred years. Hopefully if they want to thrive in a global market or get help they will lighten up.
hamchan said:
That's funny last summer a cab driver that drove me to the airport from Kuala Lumpur complained all the way that Chinese and Indian people got all the advantages, and that the government should do more for Malays.
Beautiful country if you visit it as a tourist but it wouldn't want to live there. I'm mean they even have some special police unit that checks if Muslim kids try to go clubbing.
"The Aramaic language that is used in the books of Daniel, Ezra and a few other places in the Hebrew Bible". As wiki states it.mckmas8808 said:
There is also the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Targum apparently.
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mckmas8808
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Jibril said:
Yeah but the original writings didn't use the Allah word in the Bible did it?
mckmas8808 said:
Jewish guy explains the word Allah http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65zyICBKBPI and how jews still use it today.
SoulPlaya said:
yep. Jews, Christians and Muslims use it. It's the word for God.
~Devil Trigger~
In favor of setting Muslim women on fire
pretty unfair reaction from GAF(or joke?)Instigator said:All I can hear while reading this thread is the jingle from the Malaysian tourism commercials.
-Most Muslims/organizations in the country thought the ruling was cool
-few bandits on motorcycles fire bomb 3 Churches in the Capital, after the ruling
Its fucked up reaction to the ruling by a fucked up few, its nothing like the "Cartoon reaction".
silverbullet1080
Banned
Allah goes multiplatform.
Invisible_Insane
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Count Dookkake said:
Punning and sacrilege? You go too far, sir!
Count Dookkake
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Slayven said:
Check out this website: www.christianitymeme.org . While it doesn't go into the specifics of Islam, it does a good job explaining how religions, using Christianity as an example, have different rules for dealing with in-group and out-group interactions.
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
Guess what: This is idolatry! These Muslims fail at their religion!
Allah is not a name, at least in the sense that "Bob" is a name. It is more like a term. It means "The God".. A term used specifically to de-personify God, because he is supposed to be everything. A name for god, like "Bob", tends to isolate him as an entity distinct from all that is... Better to have a name which implies a non-division from the universe. "The God", "The Everything", Allah.
Of course, repeat a term like "The God" over and over again, and the terminology of it becomes obscured.. It starts to sound like a name again. "Thegod". "Did you know that my lord Thegod could beat Jesus or Hercules in an arm wrestle? It's true!"
Muslims who treat Allah like the name of their personal god, denying its use by other monotheists, have turned the term for "all that is" into another lousy idol.. Its just their own personal trinket of a "lowercase g" god. Like a lucky rabbits foot. Make no mistake, Muhammad would have smashed this idol version of god just the same as any other idol. The correct "Allah" refers to everything for everyone.
Allah is not a name, at least in the sense that "Bob" is a name. It is more like a term. It means "The God".. A term used specifically to de-personify God, because he is supposed to be everything. A name for god, like "Bob", tends to isolate him as an entity distinct from all that is... Better to have a name which implies a non-division from the universe. "The God", "The Everything", Allah.
Of course, repeat a term like "The God" over and over again, and the terminology of it becomes obscured.. It starts to sound like a name again. "Thegod". "Did you know that my lord Thegod could beat Jesus or Hercules in an arm wrestle? It's true!"
Muslims who treat Allah like the name of their personal god, denying its use by other monotheists, have turned the term for "all that is" into another lousy idol.. Its just their own personal trinket of a "lowercase g" god. Like a lucky rabbits foot. Make no mistake, Muhammad would have smashed this idol version of god just the same as any other idol. The correct "Allah" refers to everything for everyone.
It's a reference to a Malaysian tourist commercial that has shattered (at least) European eardrums for quite some time now. The slogan is Malaysia Truly Asia, and truth be said that jingle popped into my head the first time I read the thread title and every time Malaysia was mentioned.~Devil Trigger~ said:
This is one of the commercials:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-HahCHPX6w
Cheesier than a tanker full of camembert. I guess these commercials will continue to air for quite a long time.
speculawyer
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This is a really good point. Why be so protective of a mere word? The god is a not a word. It is idolatry.BocoDragon said:
~Devil Trigger~
In favor of setting Muslim women on fire
ImperialConquest said:
pussy politicians, scared Muslims wont vote for them for that, which from my admittedly limited knowledge of Malays, wont be the cast
This happens when progress arrives in every country
gutterboy44
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As a Muslim, I'll say that this is utter bullshit. Complete ignorance by the people who attacked the Christians. Being pissed off at others saying "Allah" is complete stupidity as Allah is just the name of God. You can call him The Almighty, The Everliving, and whatnot. It's just a translation and being pissed at it is beyond my acceptance level.
This is funny, actually, because Malaysians like to present themselves as being superior to Indonesians simply because their economy is more developed. The reality is quite different, however.
You cannot say that prohibiting Christians from using "Allah" is a minority opinion in the country, though the violence is clearly only supported by a small minority. The elected government of Malaysia made it illegal for Christians to use the word "Allah." It was a court decision that overruled the unconstitutional law, and the government is appealing this ruling. The Malaysian government has also banned Bibles from Indonesia because they use the word "Allah" for God.
In Malaysia, it is also illegal for a Muslim to change his/her religion. If you are born a Muslim, you will be subject to shariah law for the rest of your life, regardless of your actual faith (or lack of faith), which means that you are forbidden to change your religion. As you might suspect, however, non-Muslims are allowed to convert to Islam.
You cannot say that prohibiting Christians from using "Allah" is a minority opinion in the country, though the violence is clearly only supported by a small minority. The elected government of Malaysia made it illegal for Christians to use the word "Allah." It was a court decision that overruled the unconstitutional law, and the government is appealing this ruling. The Malaysian government has also banned Bibles from Indonesia because they use the word "Allah" for God.
In Malaysia, it is also illegal for a Muslim to change his/her religion. If you are born a Muslim, you will be subject to shariah law for the rest of your life, regardless of your actual faith (or lack of faith), which means that you are forbidden to change your religion. As you might suspect, however, non-Muslims are allowed to convert to Islam.
BocoDragon
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There is no compulsion in relgion.Yamauchi said:
Ergo the mandate to remain a Muslim is un-Islamic.
mckmas8808
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-viper- said:
Oh I think you're right.
Jamesfrom818
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-viper- said:
Really? Never saw it. Read the book already. I would've guessed Yahweh.
speculawyer
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Jamesfrom818 said:
Yeah. he really does. I'm trying to find the youtube video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9k-c7HWyfPE
here it is!
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