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Fuzz Rez said:
Has anyone here read Choker ? If someone has then plz some thoughts about it ? Good, bad, etc ?

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It's good. Lots of potential. Pick it up.

Viewt said:
Locke & Key
Story by Joe Hill
Art by Gabriel Rodriguez


If Steven King wrote comics, these are the comics he'd write. "Joe Hill" is actually Joseph King, so I guess that makes sense. Locke & Key tells the story of the Locke family moving into the town of Lovecraft after having suffered a terrible tragedy. Naturally, they take up lodging with their uncle, who lives in the mysterious Keyhouse. But something's not quite right, and the Lockes are in for more than they bargained for. This book is totally worth it if you're a Steven King fan, a horror/mystery fan, or if you just dig a good read. I can't really do this book justice without dropping some major spoilers, so you'll just have to trust me - this book is crack on Scott Pilgrim levels.
k this looks great. will read.
 
Anybody mention Heavy Metal yet? I can't be the only person who still reads this (albeit only from time to time)

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gdt5016 said:
I swear I'm not joking :lol .

:lol Goddamit. Hey GAF give Heavy Metal a shot. If you like SF/fantasy/magical realism type stories then they have you covered. Some of the best artists in the business have done work for them.
 
Dan said:
Two more.

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Black Hole is a pretty interesting look at what happens when an STD emerges that manifests in physical mutations.

This is pretty heavy, but really cool. I think it's best if you read it as metaphorical, and the STDs stand for mental states and visualizations of bodily insecurities. Burns is a cool artist, people here might remember him for the Altoids ad campaign he was involved with a while back:

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Reading Fables/JoF crossover now. I totally love where JoF has gone with it's overall story, and introducing that stuff into Fables
was a really awesome way of taking things to the next level after the whole business with the adversary finished imo.

Both of these comics are so amazing. I got Peter and Max: A Fables Novel coming from Amazon tomorrow, too. Can't wait. :D
 
dream said:
Has anyone mentioned Local yet? If not, read Local.

Brian Wood writes some good comics. I got the Local HC a while back, very good. I also liked DMZ, but I only got the first trade paperback. Should I keep reading it?
 
anyone read The Unwritten? saw the preview in Fables.. looks awesome.

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Tom Taylor's life was screwed from go. His father created the Tommy Taylor fantasy series, boy-wizard novels with popularity on par with Harry Potter. The problem is Dad modeled the fictional epic so closely to Tom's real life that fans are constantly comparing him to his counterpart, turning him into the lamest variety of Z-level celebrity. In the final novel, it's even implied that the fictional Tommy will crossover into the real world, giving delusional fans more excuses to harass Tom.

When an enormous scandal reveals that Tom might really be a boy-wizard made flesh, Tom comes into contact with a very mysterious, very deadly group that's secretly kept tabs on him all his life. Now, to protect his own life and discover the truth behind his origins, Tom will travel the world, eventually finding himself at locations all featured on a very special map -- one kept by the deadly group that charts places throughout world history where fictions have impacted and tangibly shaped reality, those stories ranging from famous literary works to folktales to pop culture. And in the process of figuring out what it all means, Tom will find himself having to figure out a huge conspiracy mystery that spans the entirety of the history of fiction.
 
I've been meaning to read that.

Mike Carrey, who wrote the (mostly) awesome Lucifer (spin-off of Sandman), created that book.
 
Just found out about American Vampire launching March 17th. Cowritten by Stephen King!

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Witness the birth of a brand new species of vampire in this new ongoing series that begins with five extra-sized issues featuring back-to-back stories by exciting new writer Scott Snyder and the master of horror himself, Stephen King! When notorious outlaw Skinner Sweet is attacked by an old enemy (who happens to be a member of the undead), the first American vampire is born... a vampire powered by the sun, stronger, fiercer, and meaner than anything that came before. Plus... Pearl Jones is a struggling young actress in 1920s Los Angeles. But when her big break brings her face-to-face with an ancient evil, her Hollywood dream quickly turns into a brutal, shocking nightmare.
 
GDGF said:
Anybody mention Heavy Metal yet? I can't be the only person who still reads this (albeit only from time to time)

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i havent picked up an issue since high school
 
Parallax said:
i havent picked up an issue since high school

I've been reading a lot of Heavy Metal over the last couple of days :) Like the last 10 years or so. This magazine oozes quality.
 
I don't read a ton of comics, but I'm looking forward to American Vampire

The only comic I read with consistency is Punisher MAX, first it was being written by Garth Ennis for about sixty issues (along with a miniseries and some one-shots), and not Jason Aaron's working on it. It's awesome, my favourite series.

Also, Criminal, by Ed Brubaker, I really like that one.

I've fallen behind on Fables though, along with The Unwritten. Thinking about starting Unknown Soldier.
 
Mistouze said:
Grant Morrison + Frank Quietly = Sequential poetry. EVERY.FUCKING.TIME.

True, superhero or not their work together on All Star Superman, New X-men and Batman and Robin is exceptional. I would love to read Flex Mentallo if it is ever published again :(
 
favouriteflavour said:
True, superhero or not their work together on All Star Superman, New X-men and Batman and Robin is exceptional. I would love to read Flex Mentallo if it is ever published again :(

That silent episode in the New X-Men run blew my face away. Don't talk to me about Flex Mentallo T_T, I read DC *might* publish it one day if the Doom Patrol trades sell enough...
I know you can download it, but it's just not the same...

As for the topic's subject, Joe The Barbarian is looking good! Two eps out so far, I know most people here will read non superhero stuff in trades but why not talk about it.

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Having an overactive imagination can get a kid through a lot, but it doesn't change the facts: Joe's still the kid in school that can't fit in. He's the victim of bullies. His dad died overseas in the Iraq war. And then there's the Type 1 diabetes he has to live with.

So is it insulin-deprived delirium or something much, much bigger that transports Joe to a land inhabited by all his toys – from ninja commandos to action robots to magical knights to star fleet captains? Is Joe really the savior of this wild fantasyland that's been held under siege by dark magic and evil forces? With the help of a samurai rodent, is he ready to take back besieged castles and win the freedom of an oppressed people? Or is he just an over imaginative boy who could die if he doesn't take his meds?

Two eps out so far, #1 was mostly ads, slow and mainly exposure but #2 got the rythmn way up. Sean Murphy is going to get a mad rep from his work on this.
 
Mistouze said:
That silent episode in the New X-Men run blew my face away. Don't talk to me about Flex Mentallo T_T, I read DC *might* publish it one day if the Doom Patrol trades sell enough...
I know you can download it, but it's just not the same...

As for the topic's subject, Joe The Barbarian is looking good! Two eps out so far, I know most people here will read non superhero stuff in trades but why not talk about it.

Joe The Barbarian
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Two eps out so far, #1 was mostly ads, slow and mainly exposure but #2 got the rythmn way up. Sean Murphy is going to get a mad rep from his work on this.[/QUOTE]

I really like fucked up stories like this. Hope the kid dies in the end!
 
Picked up the Chew TPB at the store when I went for my pickups as an impulse since it was only $10. Only read the first issue/chapter so far but it was pretty awesome. Looking forward to taking my time with the rest of the book.
 
Bleepey said:
i wouldn't not recommend it. It was OK.
I would. Maybe just for the historical factor I guess but it's still interesting and relevant today. Since the op has seen the film might as well get the The American Splendor: Our Movie Year as well...

Karakand said:
:( I also recommend DMZ but I actually stopped following (#26 was the last I bought). He was doing some single issue stories at the time and I figured I'd just pick up the trades when the series was complete--didn't he say 50 or 60 issues was his targeted run? Shame the quality drops, I loved the premise.

BenjaminBirdie said:
Oh, and it's almost like this Punisher #13 review I wrote was explicitly for Costanza and this thread.

:lol

The requests for Flex and Umbrella Academy are precisely why this sort of stratification is so ludicrous. Jason Aaron's Ghost Rider is a less legitimate American Ghost story than Preacher because it features a "Superhero"? Fraction's "Iron Man" isn't as legitimate a global intrigue comic as Queen and Country because Tony Stark is an Avenger?

Such a ridiculous sentiment. There are less than 400,000 people in the entire United States who regularly read and support the comics industry every month. To claim that an entire genre is illegitimate because there are aspects of it that cater to the lowest common denominator is the grossest kind of logical fallacy. Is Raymond Chandler a shitty prose writer because he wrote about detectives? Of course not.

There are plenty of threads that recommend Graphic Novels, and there's always conversations about non-superhero books, because every week, more and more awesome ones are released (see: Scalped #35). It doesn't surprise me, though, that Costanza felt the need to further run down a genre that not only is capable of just as literary heights as any Maus or Persepolis but also without which none of the books listed in the OP would have ever existed.

(Also, The Other Side should be in the OP.)
:lol you really wrote all that? And not at all tongue-in-cheek?! I'm laughing at the idea that The Punisher #13 not receiving accolades is damning evidence of critic snobbery not at the thought of superhero comics as a worthy genre. How can you claiming victim hood from the Eisners when Superhero titles are well represented on the roll call of winners! I do have serious aesthetic problems with the mainstream American comics but, ignoring all that for a bit, isn't it simply sheer ludicrousness to stack a single issue of The Punisher, an ongoing series, against Asterios Polyp? I can only respond to that as I would to a wag weighing Naruto #441 (or even One Piece #576) against Osamu Tezuka's Ode to Kirihito...

And so what if none of the books in the OP would have existed without superheroes comics (although I doubt Persepolis, for one, was influenced by that genre)? It's an inane observation, like saying The Wire wouldn't exist without Days of Our Lives (or insert random police procedural here). Every form of art has a genre that is, rightly or wrongly, pilloried as the cesspool of the medium. Why get mad that the superheroes genre has ended up being bodice-ripper of comics? Pointing out a few 'classics', a la Gone with the Wind, only serves up exceptions that prove the rule.

Oh, I also prefer Carnet De Voyage to Blankets. There are so few of us, it's a shame really. But then again Carnet De Voyage would never have happened without the overwhelming success of Blankets so *shrug*

While we're still on the subject of the comics industry here's my recommendation for the thread:

Hicksville (D&Q just published this new edition so it shouldn't be hard to find)
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Man, just finished issue 4 of The Unwritten, I'm totally loving it. I should've been reading this already, seeing as I really dug Mike Carrey's Lucifer.
 
gdt5016 said:
Man, just finished issue 4 of The Unwritten, I'm totally loving it. I should've been reading this already, seeing as I really dug Mike Carrey's Lucifer.
I just finished issue 5. Fucking awesome stuff.
 
Thread needs more Tank Girl damnit!
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Glad to see the love for Preacher, Transmet, and Don Rosa's Scrooge McDuck aswell! :D
 
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100% by Paul Pope

Wonderful wonderful book, I love the mans art and he's a huge influence on me. It has three interconnected story lines and is based in the year 2038, in a weird new government New York. Just some stellar stuff, my favorite Graphic Novel of all time.
 
Sandman is a superhero so his series shouldnt be in this thread according to OP's rules

If Sandman gets to be here than we might as well bring Matt Wagner's Sandman, Alan Moore's Swamp Thing and James Robinson's Starman to the party.
 
Charred Greyface said:
:lol you really wrote all that? And not at all tongue-in-cheek?! I'm laughing at the idea that The Punisher #13 not receiving accolades is damning evidence of critic snobbery not at the thought of superhero comics as a worthy genre. How can you claiming victim hood from the Eisners when Superhero titles are well represented on the roll call of winners! I do have serious aesthetic problems with the mainstream American comics but, ignoring all that for a bit, isn't it simply sheer ludicrousness to stack a single issue of The Punisher, an ongoing series, against Asterios Polyp? I can only respond to that as I would to a wag weighing Naruto #441 (or even One Piece #576) against Osamu Tezuka's Ode to Kirihito...

And so what if none of the books in the OP would have existed without superheroes comics (although I doubt Persepolis, for one, was influenced by that genre)? It's an inane observation, like saying The Wire wouldn't exist without Days of Our Lives (or insert random police procedural here). Every form of art has a genre that is, rightly or wrongly, pilloried as the cesspool of the medium. Why get mad that the superheroes genre has ended up being bodice-ripper of comics? Pointing out a few 'classics', a la Gone with the Wind, only serves up exceptions that prove the rule.

Oh, I also prefer Carnet De Voyage to Blankets. There are so few of us, it's a shame really. But then again Carnet De Voyage would never have happened without the overwhelming success of Blankets so *shrug*

While we're still on the subject of the comics industry here's my recommendation for the thread:

Hicksville (D&Q just published this new edition so it shouldn't be hard to find)

Hicksville is amazing.

And yeah, of course, the review was taking the piss a bit, but sadly, Punisher #13, in all realisticness, will never get the credit it deserves for being an honest to goodness masterpiece, on par with every great title in this thread.
 
Anticitizen One said:
Sandman is a superhero so his series shouldnt be in this thread according to OP's rules

If Sandman gets to be here than we might as well bring Matt Wagner's Sandman, Alan Moore's Swamp Thing and James Robinson's Starman to the party.

Wait...wat.

Gaiman's is about as far from a superhero book as you can get.

And no one talks about any other Sandman.

Edit: And...neither...is...Swamp Thing....
 
gdt5016 said:
Wait...wat.

Gaiman's is about as far from a superhero book as you can get.

And no one talks about any other Sandman.

Edit: And...neither...is...Swamp Thing....

Both are superheroes. That's why DC published them, pre-Vertigo, in the first place.
 
BenjaminBirdie said:
Both are superheroes. That's why DC published them, pre-Vertigo, in the first place.

Maybe the original Sandman.............can't remember his name right now (edit: Wesley Dodds)..... but Dream/Morpheus as a hero? Thats a joke, right?

Just because DC published it pre-Vertigo doesn't make it a SH book. They also published stuff like House of Mystery.
 
gdt5016 said:
Maybe the original Sandman.............can't remember his name right now (edit: Wesley Dodds)..... but Dream/Morpheus as a hero? Thats a joke, right?

Just because DC published it pre-Vertigo doesn't make it a SH book. They also published stuff like House of Mystery.

Have you ever read Sandman? Half the issues are him teaming up with other heroes (Constantine, Martian Manhunter). He fights the scarecrow at one point, and even shows up in other DC titles including Justice League.
 
Constantine made a guest spot in ONE issue, and Martian Manhunter in another (as a religious follower lol). Scarecrow made ONE appearance as well, and Dream talked to him once.

Thats it.

Just because Dream made a guest appearance in the Justice League (by another writer, not Gaiman I'm assuming) doesn't make him a superhero either.

Since the creation of the Vertigo imprint (itself largely inspired by the success of DC Comics' increasingly mature titles such as Swamp Thing, Watchmen, Hellblazer and Sandman), DC's horror/occult characters such as Morpheus have drifted progressively further away both from DC continuity and from each other. Dream originally began as a mainstream DC character able to interact with DC superheroes, and Gaiman's versions of Dream have appeared in DC superhero titles written by Keith Giffen and by Grant Morrison, as well as in Gaiman's own Books of Magic series and in a Rick Veitch-authored issue of Swamp Thing (where he meets Matthew Cable). Morpheus also appears briefly during Kevin Smith's run on Green Arrow in a flashback showing him in Alexander Burgess' basement, still imprisoned in Roderick Burgess' glass globe prison.

Yeah, total superhero.
 
gdt5016 said:
Constantine made a guest spot in ONE issue, and Martian Manhunter in another (as a religious follower lol). Scarecrow made ONE appearance as well, and Dream talked to him once.

Thats it.

Just because Dream made a guest appearance in the Justice League (by another writer, not Gaiman I'm assuming) doesn't make him a superhero either.

It started as a Superhero comic in the DCU. You're splitting hairs.
 
BenjaminBirdie said:
It started as a Superhero comic in the DCU. You're splitting hairs.

But Gaiman's Sandman isn't the original Wesley Dodd-Sandman. They are totally different.

The Sandman grew out of a proposal by Neil Gaiman to revive the 1970s Sandman series illustrated by Jack Kirby. Gaiman had considered including characters from DC Comics' "Dream Stream" (including the Kirby Sandman, Brute, Glob, and the brothers Cain and Abel) in a scene for the first issue of his 1988 miniseries Black Orchid. While the scene did not make it into later drafts, Gaiman soon began constructing a treatment for a new series. Gaiman mentioned his treatment in passing to DC editor Karen Berger. While months later Berger offered Gaiman a comic title to work on, he was unsure his Sandman pitch would be accepted. However, weeks later Berger asked Gaiman if he was interested in doing a Sandman series. Gaiman recalled, "I said, 'Um...yes. Yes, definitely. What's the catch?' [Berger said] 'There's only one. We'd like a new Sandman. Keep the name. But the rest is up to you.'"[4]

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I'm never really sure where this stands, but LOVE Gotham Central, it takes place in Batman's universe and he makes sporadic appearances, but it is mostly about cops.
 
Concerning Sandman

The whole DCU showed up at his funeral when he died

Sandman's villians have appeared in JSA and it was also revealed that he is the son of
the DCU superhero Dr.Fate

Sandman has a ton of ties to the DCU.

Also, Who is this 1970s Jack Kirby Sandman you speak of?
 
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