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North Korea just shelled them some South Korea
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.I'm just guessing, but I think this is the island in question... I have never linked Google Maps before, hopefully that works. Zoom out and NK is to the north, Seoul and Incheon are to the east.
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TacticalFox88 said:
Ok, I was just curious. Thanks for responding.
knitoe said:
As shown this isn't the case. While they could do significant damage, not enough to "level Seoul within hours" without nuclear weapons. SK and US would need to do a quick bombing of all artilery sites.
Bunker busters would be neccessary for this as most artilery weapons are hidden in the mountains...but when someone on the internet can find a bunch of artilery sites using google maps then I'm pretty sure US and SK know where most of them are.
Are you sure you didn't misread something about http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ROKS_Cheonan_sinking from March?farnham said:
That occurred off the coast of Baengnyeong (same thing as Baekryeong; I don't know where you got your spelling, farnham).
JohnTinker
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JohnTinker said:
Yep, it worked. And yeah that seems to be the island.xbhaskarx said:
On TV right now they are saying what some people here already said.
Chances are this was NK answering back to earlier SK military practices. And nobody around wants to get into a war because the loses would be way too big.
Afghanistan and Iraq are considerably "softer" targets than Russia, and rewards for invasion are higher (especially in the latter). If a KGB agent was caught red-handed as you suggest, I don't think it likely at all that the US would leap so eagerly into war as it did against the Middle East. We're quite a ways removed from the tension of the Cold War as well.TacticalFox88 said:
To believe that the controversy and public support reaped after 9/11 would be as effective for a war with Russia is ridiculous. Selling a war against an immeasurably weaker opponent with an essentially alien culture is one thing, selling a war against one of the oldest and most pivotal players in world politics is another entirely. The UN would be against it, the world would be against it, and the US would essentially stand alone to pursue vengeance that would benefit it in uncertain terms from the beginning.
And yet things like the assassinations of Archdukes are never the fundamental reason for escalations, they serve as the spark. The entanglement of regional and national interests, and the escalation derived from such is what ultimately results in war (the conflicting interests in the Balkans was primarily responsible in the example of WWI).speedpop said:
Writing off minor losses in the favour of peace (or "tit for two tats") is far more likely in this hypothetical situation than the US beating the war drum and losing far more as a result. The national self-interest is inseparable from possible reaction, it isn't simply a policy of an eye for an eye. At some point someone (usually) stops putting out eyes because they fully know what escalation will reap.
Being that the US ought to be perfectly aware of this, and having ample experience with this in the past century, and that it would entirely go against their self-interest to war with Russia (especially in the light of overextended military forces and massive war debt), I think that outcome unlikely. They'd rally all diplomatic efforts against Russia and isolate it, they might even extract a small revenge or two, but they wouldn't abandon all sense and just go in swinging.
I personally think that this might have been done on orders of the Youth Captain (Kim Jong Eun) to help boost his position with the military and to promote himself as the true successor of the Military First era.
Now that he is number 2 on the NDC and is also a General, it certainly isn't out of question considering that Kim Jong Il ordered attacks against the South as well when he was building his power base in the 70s and 80s.
Now that he is number 2 on the NDC and is also a General, it certainly isn't out of question considering that Kim Jong Il ordered attacks against the South as well when he was building his power base in the 70s and 80s.
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YTN reports that most of the NK shells hit a SK military base on the island
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Wes said:
:lol What?!
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So...what is going on...did SK retaliate? Thread is moving too fast to see and not much concrete information is coming out.
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I'm thinking they won't. Not today. Not next week. Probably never.Not a Jellyfish said:
JohnTinker
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Sk military returned fire with 80 artillery rounds according to a military spox, as reported by yonhapNot a Jellyfish said:
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Man, I'd hate to be stationed by the DMZ right now.
What if SK just, you know, evacuated Seoul and all the other cities within presumed range of their artillery pieces?
I mean, sure NK would catch on really quickly to what's going on, so the US would lose the element of surprise in an initial attack... but the North Koreans wouldn't order an attack on evacuating citizens, right?
US army lands, secures the area north of the DMZ, everybody moves back after a week.
I mean, sure NK would catch on really quickly to what's going on, so the US would lose the element of surprise in an initial attack... but the North Koreans wouldn't order an attack on evacuating citizens, right?
US army lands, secures the area north of the DMZ, everybody moves back after a week.
Here is my speculation on why North Korea did this.
For years under the Bush administration (and Clinton), the US and SK have largely taken a position of rewarding North Korea with aid for them not developing nuclear weapons. However, each year, they rattle their sables about how they are going to make nukes to get more aid.
However, under the Obama and current SK (Lee Myung-bak) have taken a more hardline stance. Aid has been cut down significantly (or stopped altogether). North Korea depends heavily on foreign aid to prop up the regime. Because of the refusal of the US and SK to not attend the Six Party talks, North Korea is doing the only thing it knows how to do to get aid. More saber rattling. All with the hopes that the US and SK return to the Six Party talks so North Korea can demand more aid.
For years under the Bush administration (and Clinton), the US and SK have largely taken a position of rewarding North Korea with aid for them not developing nuclear weapons. However, each year, they rattle their sables about how they are going to make nukes to get more aid.
However, under the Obama and current SK (Lee Myung-bak) have taken a more hardline stance. Aid has been cut down significantly (or stopped altogether). North Korea depends heavily on foreign aid to prop up the regime. Because of the refusal of the US and SK to not attend the Six Party talks, North Korea is doing the only thing it knows how to do to get aid. More saber rattling. All with the hopes that the US and SK return to the Six Party talks so North Korea can demand more aid.
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Well, they did just shell an island with civilians with no warning presumably due to military exercises...taaakun said:
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taaakun said:
Well evacuating a major city is pretty clear sign that North Korea's side of the DMZ is about to be first-striked into oblivion by South Korean and US Air Forces, so the war might begin then and there.
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