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[Slavik81]

Dude, they aren't going to let us in. China will invade NK before they allow us to.

If there were ever a time to be rooting for China to invade another country, it would be now.

 

[Brannon]

On an off note, try thinking of America/Rest of the World as Gran Pulse and North Korea as Cocoon. A permanently ghettofied Cocoon but still.

 

[Sealda]

I wasn't really talking about the elite though (I know they have everything), i was thinking mostly about those who have basic tv sets and smuggled media. Most of the bootleg items from China arent really shared or talked about either, alot of that stuff is underground.

oh, actually i meant North North Korea, not south North Korea. Yeah, a lot of people crosses that river and brings over illegal stuff liek cellphones, tapes, etc. The question is though if you want to sacrifice your life to be able to watch some South Korean tv shows or call someone in China...but sure, its good influence. If you look at the eastern Soviet states in the 80s they were already totally informed of the western world. That the people in North Korea knows some of the REAL truth about the rest of the world obviously helps if there will ever be some form of uprising taking place.

 

[GavinGT]

South Korea should probably make more marines. Or hit them with a worker rush now, before it's too late.

 

[nubbe]

Don't USA have like 3 carriers in range?

 

[Ignis Fatuus]

Don't USA have like 3 carriers in range?

Carrier Has Arrived.

 

[antonz]

Don't USA have like 3 carriers in range?

Washington is the closest. Truman and Eisenhower are both in the Arabian Sea. The rest are either prepping for deployment or just got back. Roosevelt and Stennis are undergoing maintenance right now as well

 

[MisterAnderson]

Carrier Has Arrived.

Let's hope they have 3/3 and Graviton Catapult.

 

[Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku!]

I'm thinking that the US isn't going to get involved and this won't escalate unless North Korea ever actively tries to cross the DMZ.

 

[Deku]

I'm thinking that the US isn't going to get involved and this won't escalate unless North Korea ever actively tries to cross the DMZ.

They won't. They just want attention as the US has practically ignored it. But it's worth noting that this isn't 'business as usual' or 'just another tantrum' that some here are suggesting

The sinking of the SK ship, revealing their advanced enrichment capabilities to a US physicists and then this, taken together, shows a serious escalation.

From the times article:
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/24/world/asia/24korea.html?hp

One of the analysts who linked the North’s action to food aid was Choi Jin-wook, a North Korea expert at the Korea Institute for National Unification, a research institute in Seoul. “It’s a sign of North Korea’s increasing frustration,” Mr. Choi said.

“Washington has turned a deaf ear to Pyongyang and North Korea is saying, ‘Look here. We’re still alive. We can cause trouble. You can’t ignore us.’ ”

Mr. Choi said North Korea had become frustrated over the Obama administration’s refusal to remove a broad range of sanctions against the regime for its continuing nuclear efforts.

“They see that they can’t pressure Washington,” he said, “so they’ve taken South Korea hostage again.”

“They’re in a desperate situation, and they want food immediately, not next year,” he said.

John Swenson-Wright, an expert with the Royal Institute for International Affairs, also known as Chatham House, a private policy organization in London, called the episode “a serious escalation.”

“I can’t think of recent event in the past 5 or 10 years that approaches this magnitude,” he said in a telephone interview.

 

[Zzoram]

China could end this if the US/SK/UN promised to permit them to gun down NK refugees trying to enter China. China is the only country with enough access to sabotage missle launch sites during a US/SK simultaneous bombardment of artillery placements.

As stated, the main reason for not attacking is because NK could bombard SK and possibly Japan killing millions, the millions of refugees would flood out of NK and overwhelm China and SK causing integration problems for decades. Even if there was a way to first strike NK and prevent any retaliation, there needs to be a deal made about how best to keep the NK refugees in NK. The only way is to agree to a human rights atrocity of gunning down refugees as they try to cross but this is a tough sell for people who don't understand what's at risk.

 

[Advance_Alarm]

Did anybody read that new article in Popular Mechanics about Chinese AntiShip Ballistic Missiles and what the US has to counter them. It mostly focuses on the ROC and PROC but it was pretty good.

 

[Stinkles]

1538: US defence department spokesman Col David Lapan says no additional US military assets would be moved into the region

 

[Sotha Sil]

Lo Pan

I laughed at the "Lapan" part, then noticed his first name is David

 

[Brannon]

Did anybody read that new article in Popular Mechanics about Chinese AntiShip Ballistic Missiles and what the US has to counter them. It mostly focuses on the ROC and PROC but it was pretty good.

I'd like to think that our counter is that any ship of ours they blow it suddenly cost trillions of dollars and BAM!

We even.

I mean, what if I lent you a bunch of money, and then one day some of your family drove in my neighborhood in a van and I blew them up with a rocket because I didn't want them there.

By the way, I still want my money back.

 

[Bam Bam Baklava]

I guess the question is were Bush/Clinton right in giving NK money to shut them up and keep them from escalating or is Obama right for taking a harder stance and trying to bleed the situation dry. Both paths have their own risks.

 

[ConfusingJazz]

I'd like to think that our counter is that any ship of ours they blow it suddenly cost trillions of dollars and BAM!

We even.

I mean, what if I lent you a bunch of money, and then one day some of your family drove in my neighborhood in a van and I blew them up with a rocket because I didn't want them there.

By the way, I still want my money back.

If you owe the bank $500,000, the bank owns you. If you owe the bank $5,000,000,000, you own the bank.

 

[Advance_Alarm]

If you owe the bank $500,000, the bank owns you. If you owe the bank $5,000,000,000, you own the bank.

yea I always wondered how a country calls in a loan on another (more powerful) country. I mean if China wanted its money the US could just say "make me bitch". Inb4 Economics phd gaffer explains how

 

[Pandaman]

Let's hope they have 3/3 and Graviton Catapult.

and autocast interceptors.

 

[Ignis Fatuus]

yea I always wondered how a country calls in a loan on another (more powerful) country. I mean if China wanted its money the US could just say "make me bitch". Inb4 Economics phd gaffer explains how

I'm not in Economics but from what I understand the gist of it is that China owns an absurd amount of our treasury bonds. If they were to release them, the value of said bonds and therefore of the dollar currency would plummet. They could, with that one gesture, theoretically crash our economy and make the dollar dirt cheap.

They don't and won't because they benefit from trading with us and would be set back considerably by our demise.

 

[Deku]

yea I always wondered how a country calls in a loan on another (more powerful) country. I mean if China wanted its money the US could just say "make me bitch". Inb4 Economics phd gaffer explains how

bond markets. basically make it so expensive for the US to borrow by refusing to buy any more bonds at the current low yields.

But geopolitically, it's dangerous. The US would be better off just defaulting then bomb China.

Banking analogies don't really work in the international stage, where great power relations haven't really advanced all that much. Geopolitics in the ancient world would be very familiar to people today.

I'm not in Economics but from what I understand the gist of it is that China owns an absurd amount of our treasury bonds. If they were to release them, the value of said bonds and therefore of the dollar currency would plummet. They could, with that one gesture, theoretically crash our economy and make the dollar dirt cheap.

.

They can't do that as it would make their competitive position untenable.

 

[Ignis Fatuus]

I didn't say it was plausible, I was just pointing out it was theoretically possible.

 

[Korey]

Carrier Has Arrived.

.

 

[Sealda]

They can't do that as it would make their competitive position untenable.

Well, if they did the whole world would be flipped in a couple of days anyways so it does not matter. USAs economy would crash and nothing would look like it does today. Maybe China would win doing it, maybe they wont. I do not think they feel like gambling. I am pretty sure USA rather start a world war III before a scenario where the Dollar crashed happened.

 

[Dreams-Visions]

the StarCraft community in here makes it win.

 

[George Claw M.D.]

LoL

No joke. I was walking in San Franciso Chinatown, Saturday night, during that hard thunderstorm (by San Francisco standards). Later that night, I joked to a family member, that I was expecting Lo Pan to show-up at any minute.

 

[Deku]

Well, if they did the whole world would be flipped in a couple of days anyways so it does not matter. USAs economy would crash and nothing would look like it does today. Maybe China would win doing it, maybe they wont. I do not think they feel like gambling. I am pretty sure USA rather start a world war III before a scenario where the Dollar crashed happened.

It would make happen what China doesn't want. China has been resisting US pressure to revalue their currency because it is being artifically held low by their insatiable apetite for US securities.

This is the megapower that financial historian Niall Ferguson calls Chimerica. One half consumers while the other half saves.

There is the possibility of a big realignment coming. Whether it's a doomsday scenario where the US with Europe's backing simply defaults and forces China to sell bonds to revalue the yuan or there is a smooth transition, its unknown.


But I think a lot of commentators are getting way ahead of themselves at this point. China's share of world output is still less than Japan's at its peak and in the early 1990s. Japan had a 4 trillion dollar GDP to USAs 7 trillion or 57%. Currently, China's GDP is 28% of US'. There's a lot of ??? to go. I think it's really interesting to live through this time though.

 

[1stStrike]

Glad I'm not stationed in South Korea anymore (and out of the military). I departed that crazy place back in May and don't miss it at all.

 

[Wazzim]

South-Korea deserves it, capitalist bastards.

 

[lethial]

All South Korea has to do is blast some K-Pop into the North.

 

[Dice]

All South Korea has to do is blast some K-Pop into the North.

Tried that already.

 

[Hari Seldon]

Well, if they did the whole world would be flipped in a couple of days anyways so it does not matter. USAs economy would crash and nothing would look like it does today. Maybe China would win doing it, maybe they wont. I do not think they feel like gambling. I am pretty sure USA rather start a world war III before a scenario where the Dollar crashed happened.

The US has an army sitting in the middle east. While it was a shitty war based on false information and lies, etc. etc., the one benefit is that an army in the middle east = insurance that no one can dick with us, since we just take the oil. The US instantly owning 100% of all of the oil in Iraq would prop the dollar up pretty big.

 

[The Lamonster]

Glad I'm not stationed in South Korea anymore (and out of the military). I departed that crazy place back in May and don't miss it at all.

How are they crazy? I have a friend living there for years and loves it. He is actually kind of crazy though.

 

[Consul]

China could end this if the US/SK/UN promised to permit them to gun down NK refugees trying to enter China. China is the only country with enough access to sabotage missle launch sites during a US/SK simultaneous bombardment of artillery placements.

As stated, the main reason for not attacking is because NK could bombard SK and possibly Japan killing millions, the millions of refugees would flood out of NK and overwhelm China and SK causing integration problems for decades. Even if there was a way to first strike NK and prevent any retaliation, there needs to be a deal made about how best to keep the NK refugees in NK. The only way is to agree to a human rights atrocity of gunning down refugees as they try to cross but this is a tough sell for people who don't understand what's at risk.

You're absalutely ridiculous.

 

[Osietra]

Carrier Has Arrived.

:lol

 

[RustyO]

yea I always wondered how a country calls in a loan on another (more powerful) country. I mean if China wanted its money the US could just say "make me bitch". Inb4 Economics phd gaffer explains how

I think in a nutshell, thats how we ended up with the current international monetary system, post the gold standard, Bretton Woods agreement, et al. Essentially a run on the US by other countries wanting to transfer their stockpiled US$ for gold, and Nixon saying "fat chance / don't have the gold to give you".

Spoiler

Prepares to be owned by previously mentioned Economics phd gaffer explaining how it all works.

 

[Tacitus_]

Tried that already.

Don't they have loudspeakers blasting all kinds of stuff into the DMZ?

 

[1stStrike]

How are they crazy? I have a friend living there for years and loves it. He is actually kind of crazy though.

Well, human trafficking is legal there for one. Take a taxi anywhere and it makes NYC taxi's look tame in comparison.

Don't get me wrong, I had fun overall, but it's a pretty crazy country. I won't ever forget how when they opened a new store they'd have like 2 or 3 chicks roll up in scantily clad outfits, put on a boom box and just dance all day long in front of it to attract customers. :lol

 

[Jamesfrom818]

Don't they have loudspeakers blasting all kinds of stuff into the DMZ?

They should have huge screens the size of the one in Cowboys Stadium showing South Korean television. If they can't be reasoned with, they will be seduced by Hyori Lee dancing in a soju commercial.

 

[lo escondido]

As long as a war doesn't break out all these hypotheticals are exciting. Not exciting that people could die but as an international relations major its pretty nice to use some of the stuff you've learned

 

[1stStrike]

OH YEAH! Fucking South Korea and Starcraft. I was in the hospital getting x-rays off base (there was no hospital on base, it was just a clinic so my surgery was done by Korean doctors) and on all the TV's in the hospital they had the fucking Starcraft tournament on.

 

[Tacitus_]

They should have huge screens the size of the one in Cowboys Stadium showing South Korean television. If they can't be reasoned with, they will be seduced by Hyori Lee dancing in a soju commercial.

Just blasting SNSD should do it....

>_>

 

[Particle Physicist]

I guess the question is were Bush/Clinton right in giving NK money to shut them up and keep them from escalating or is Obama right for taking a harder stance and trying to bleed the situation dry. Both paths have their own risks.

I don't think this question can be answered fully just yet, but it is definitely something to keep in mind.

 

[BocoDragon]

Starcraft
SNSD
Best Korea...

Korea needs new memes.

 

[Vilix]

I'm thinking that the US isn't going to get involved and this won't escalate unless North Korea ever actively tries to cross the DMZ.

Nah. China won't let them which is a good thing. They've been working towards being a Global Police force. Let them take on that roll for a change.

 

[SolidusDave]

mhh...this one

or more serious?

North Korea, China, Russia, Iran and APF

vs

South Korea, Japan, USA, Europe and GAF


WWIII

meh, only countries that still have nukes should participate, it's only fair.

 

[fallagin]

WTFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF... I just saw this shit. HOLY CRAP

 

[perfectchaos007]

meh, only countries that still have nukes should participate, it's only fair.

I like how in all Matt and Tre productions, all Asians talk the same. Kim Jong Il talks the same as City Walk guy from South Park etc.

lol

 

[Hootie]

I like how in all Matt and Tre productions, all Asians talk the same. Kim Jong Il talks the same as City Walk guy from South Park etc.

lol

 

[Stinkles]

WTFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF... I just saw this shit. HOLY CRAP

Well then you should be aware that it happened hours ago and hasn't escalated.