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[Zenith]

So if we're done with this boring Japanese culture tangent, NK just fired some warning shots from its artillery base.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101126/ap_on_re_as/as_koreas_clash

Defiant North Korea fires artillery warning shots

YEONPYEONG ISLAND, South Korea – A defiant flash of North Korean artillery within sight of the island that it attacked this week sent a warning signal to Seoul and Washington: The North is not backing down.

The apparent military drill Friday came as the top U.S. commander in South Korea toured Yeonpyeong island to survey the wreckage from the rain of artillery three days earlier. As a U.S. nuclear-powered aircraft carrier headed toward the Yellow Sea for exercises next week with South Korea, the North warned that the joint maneuvers will push the Korean peninsula to the "brink of war."

will be interesting to see what they're willing to do once a super-carrier is in the area.

 

[Blackace]

So if we're done with this boring Japanese culture tangent, NK just fired some warning shots from its artillery base.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101126/ap_on_re_as/as_koreas_clash



will be interesting to see what they're willing to do once a super-carrier is in the area.

GW...Should be there now

 

[CrocMother]

We had broken Japan completely wide open by 1943 and had knew that they had zero ability to produce mass quanities of steel or iron...and were starving as a country. It is one of the reasons why historians have battle back and forth about if the nukes were needed or not...

North Korea is in a very similar situation...

amazing how the presence of nukes changes the whole situation.

 

[Blackace]

North Korea is in a very similar situation...

amazing how the presence of nukes changes the whole situation.

NK looks like a gold mine of resources compared to 1944 -45 Japan

 

[Smiles and Cries]

GW...Should be there now

its too bad we can't google its current location I would like to know how close to the island it is or if its still days away

 

[Advance_Alarm]

its too bad we can't google its current location I would like to know how close to the island it is or if its still days away

is your name a Training Day reference? Props if it is

Why don't any other countries get some super-carriers. Seems like they are pretty good

 

[Blackace]

its too bad we can't google its current location I would like to know how close to the island it is or if its still days away

Left Japan Monday jst so should be there or very close

 

[Baraka in the White House]

"Nuclear powered supercarrier" sounds so fucking awesome.

 

[BattleMonkey]

"Nuclear powered supercarrier" sounds so fucking awesome.

"carrying robots" would make it even better

 

[Roude Leiw]

is your name a Training Day reference? Props if it is

Why don't any other countries get some super-carriers. Seems like they are pretty good

france and england have one.

 

[Technosteve]

I wonder if china is going to do something to secure its borders with NK if some silly shit does goes down. China is in a horrible position, US and SK are some of its biggest trading partners.

 

[CrocMother]

I wonder if china is going to do something to secure its borders with NK if some silly shit does goes down. China is in a horrible position, US and SK are some of its biggest trading partners.

Can you imagine what this situation would look like if China hadn't opened up during the 70's?

 

[Smiles and Cries]

Left Japan Monday jst so should be there or very close

okay I think I remember reading you posting you had friends on board(?)

I wonder if those in command of the carrier group are on the mindset of the joint military drills or now having meeting about possible strikes inside NK at this point.

I'm guessing all the drills had NK in mind to begin with so it would not change much. One is practice while the other is the go ahead and do the real thing.

 

[Baraka in the White House]

Left Japan Monday jst so should be there or very close

Carrier has arrived?

 

[Smiles and Cries]

Wiki is saying it left wednesday morning "George Washington .. left a naval base south of Tokyo on Wednesday morning and would join exercises with South Korea from Sunday to the following Wednesday, U.S. officials in Seoul said."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_George_Washington_(CVN-73)

I'll trust Blackace on this one, since the drills start sunday it should be there or very close

anyway we should all know by Sunday (Saturday in the US time zone?) if this shit will go bad

 

[Smiles and Cries]

current time 4:52am Saturday (KST) - Time in South Korea

shit did not realize how much time is left

 

[Steeven]

That carrier is bad-ass. The US is showing it's enormous penis and I think it's for the best. Although maybe this exercise will end in some sort of fiasco, like Operation Able Archer almost did.

 

[Beaulieu]

Carrier has arrived?

You are the 10th person to do that joke in this thread ! Click here to claim your prize!

 

[ClosingADoor]

france and england have one.

UK one is still in construction (and another one planned) and France one is planned for 2017, according to Wikipedia.

 

[Erico]

The fact that nothing other than diplomatic bluster has occurred since the original shelling incident is a good sign, I think. If North Korea wanted to escalate things a bit further (another small-scale artillery strike, for example) and still get away with it, they should have done so before the US carrier was due to arrive on station. They've had 3 days to make another move, but they've stood pat.

Even though the US is shying away from real military action, if North Korea were to now attempt any blatant offensive move with a US Navy carrier parked in its backyard, the US is pretty much forced to respond with force. North Korea knows this, and they don't have a death wish. So now that their little demonstration to boost the credentials of Kim Jong Il's son is over, they'll just sit back and make empty threats for the rest of the joint naval war games.

It really is amazing

Spoiler

ly annoying

how North Korea manages to play the delicate economic/diplomatic/military relationships between the US, South Korea, and China off each other to be able to repeatedly get away with this kind of shit. They know what they're doing.

 

[Technosteve]

i wonder what kim jong il is doing right now, probably forcing some hot bitches to wrestle for his amusement

 

[Veritas_]

i wonder what kim jong il is doing right now, probably forcing some hot bitches to wrestle for his amusement

He has been known to sleep on a bed of female bodies...

Now one of the more interesting things about this is the Kim’s love of a thing called the “Human Bed”.   Apparently it is made up of about ten young woman who are to lay down in a certain way in order for Kim to sleep on top of them.  Mind you they claim it is comfortable for all parties involved.  I don’t know if it is but it doesn’t sound like it, but really who the hell is going to complain to the guy that can have your whole family sent off to die in less then a second if you piss him off?

http://letterstoadyingdream.wordpre...m-the-hermit-kingdom-north-korea-and-the-kim/

 

[speedpop]

Why don't any other countries get some super-carriers. Seems like they are pretty good

I'm sure Australia and New Zealand would push for one if it weren't for the fact that they don't need for it since Japan and the US have a far superior Navy output. When the Pacific is controlled so perfectly by two big allies on either side of it, the ANZACs have to provide elsewhere (i.e. Army).

 

[TL4E]

The fact that nothing other than diplomatic bluster has occurred since the original shelling incident is a good sign, I think. If North Korea wanted to escalate things a bit further (another small-scale artillery strike, for example) and still get away with it, they should have done so before the US carrier was due to arrive on station. They've had 3 days to make another move, but they've stood pat.

Even though the US is shying away from real military action, if North Korea were to now attempt any blatant offensive move with a US Navy carrier parked in its backyard, the US is pretty much forced to respond with force. North Korea knows this, and they don't have a death wish. So now that their little demonstration to boost the credentials of Kim Jong Il's son is over, they'll just sit back and make empty threats for the rest of the joint naval war games.

It really is amazing

Spoiler

ly annoying

how North Korea manages to play the delicate economic/diplomatic/military relationships between the US, South Korea, and China off each other to be able to repeatedly get away with this kind of shit. They know what they're doing.

They're like trolls in country form!

 

[Tacitus_]

He has been known to sleep on a bed of female bodies...



http://letterstoadyingdream.wordpre...m-the-hermit-kingdom-north-korea-and-the-kim/

Oh shit, who's up to grab some land and start dictatorshipping some asian girls?

 

[Binabik15]

Oh shit, who's up to grab some land and start dictatorshipping some asian girls?

I don´t know, you should be able to pull that off with a plain old japanese tv show. Just make it a contest.

 

[Smiles and Cries]

He has been known to sleep on a bed of female bodies...



http://letterstoadyingdream.wordpre...m-the-hermit-kingdom-north-korea-and-the-kim/

absolute power is something else, not sure who would not want a bed of females

 

[Sealda]

In 1996 a submarine trying to pick up North Korean elite soldiers from a South Korean beach went aground. The submarine was evacuated and the mission aborted. This was the news that kept South Korea in chock during the September to November of 1996.

Lee also declared he had heard from his comrades that 11 of the infiltrators had been shot "by their colleagues because they were not as strong and might have been captured." (12) He said, "we were told to commit suicide to avoid arrest" and that he tried to head to the DMZ but was caught while trying to get food from a farmhouse. (13)

The ROK Army reported that all of these North Koreans died from a gunshot in the head at close range. Probably one or more of the SOF soldiers had shot the 11 North Koreans and then fled, or it is possible that one of the 11 infiltrators shot his comrades and then shot himself. 

So basically of the 26 soldiers/officers 25 died under 2 months of escape trying to get from South to North Korea!

Amazing story from a spy mission gone horribly wrong

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0IBS/is_4_30/ai_n13822276/?tag=content;col1

 

[Ether_Snake]

I'm guessing NK will threaten the use of nuclear weapons within the next week if the US doesn't back off.

What could the US do but oblige?

 

[Deku]

I'm guessing NK will threaten the use of nuclear weapons within the next week if the US doesn't back off.

What could the US do but oblige?

NK won't do that.

 

[Xeke]

I'm guessing NK will threaten the use of nuclear weapons within the next week if the US doesn't back off.

What could the US do but oblige?

Call their bluff.

 

[Salazar]

Call their bluff.

Refuse to play.

 

[JoeMartin]

UK one is still in construction (and another one planned) and France one is planned for 2017, according to Wikipedia.

And we've already started construction on our newest generation of supercarriers, the Gerald R. Ford class; CVN-78, USS Gerald R. Ford was laid down in 2007 should be done by 2015, with 2 more on the way after that. And they are technological monsters and should come fully loaded with F35s.

 

[Prez]

I'm guessing NK will threaten the use of nuclear weapons within the next week if the US doesn't back off.

What could the US do but oblige?

All the US would have to do is drop a nuke on Pyongyang and it's game over. NK is aware of that I'm sure.

 

[Crisis]

I'm guessing NK will threaten the use of nuclear weapons within the next week if the US doesn't back off.

What could the US do but oblige?

North Korea threatening anyone with a nuke changes every dynamic possible. No one will help them if they do. China will not be seen benefitting a rogue state threatening to use nuclear weapons. Russia won't either. An invasion by someone will be imminent if they do. Probably the United States, Japan, and South Korea.

 

[bizatch]

All the US would have to do is drop a nuke on Pyongyang and it's game over. NK is aware of that I'm sure.

If that happens, do you think the world would support the US?

 

[Xeke]

If that happens, do you think the world would support the US

What's the world gonna do about it?

 

[numble]

All the US would have to do is drop a nuke on Pyongyang and it's game over. NK is aware of that I'm sure.

And if North Korea nukes Seoul?

 

[ClosingADoor]

And if North Korea nukes Seoul?

They won't. And the US would never nuke another country also. It would fuck things up beyond repair and they all know it.

 

[TacticalFox88]

North Korea threatening anyone with a nuke changes every dynamic possible. No one will help them if they do. China will not be seen benefitting a rogue state threatening to use nuclear weapons. Russia won't either. An invasion by someone will be imminent if they do. Probably the United States, Japan, and South Korea.

Wat.

 

[Prez]

And if North Korea nukes Seoul?

They would still start a war they can't possibly win.

 

[Phoenix]

There wasn't gonna be a WW3, it was total annihilation that we were facing.

Actually based upon the historical record it wouldn't have been. The soviet missiles didn't have the range to hit most of the United States. This is the primary reason they based them in Cuba to begin with as the primary Soviet missile at the time sucked balls. If the world had actually gone to war there would be huge swaths of the US that would have never seen a missile strike.

I wouldn't be alive because New Orleans would be a steaming crater still, but for most Americans life would be on-going. For the USSR things would have been MUCH worse. Both our submarine launches systems as well as our conventional systems were decades beyond the Soviet counterparts. At that time we had the upper hand in submarine technology and actually actively tracked their SSBNs as they left port so most of them would not have had successful deliveries since many of them still required launching at the surface.

It still would have sucked, but historians that have gone back and looked into the "missile gap" and the actual capabilities of both sides have agreed that the US had a substantial advantage at the time and the Russians were bluffing their way through.

 

[Roche]

They won't. And the US would never nuke another country also. It would fuck things up beyond repair and they all know it.

I was thinking about it and you guys are referring to NK as "they" when it comes to North Korean decision making, but isn't NK solely dictated unquestionably by Kim Jong Il? As far as I can see that guy is a lunatic and lets face it he's nearing the end of his rope, could be going out with a huge bang.

If he's the one calling the shots I wouldn't be too surprised if NK go as far as the use of nukes.

 

[Zyzyxxz]

Wat.

Don't you know anything about Japan-NK relations?

They have it really in for North Korea, in fact they are usually the most vocal about making North Korea pay considering they are still anal about the kidnapping of Japanese women (who were forced to become translators/Japanese teachers) decades ago.

Japan doesn't have to worry about getting attacked as much as South Korea as well other than possible nuclear strike.

 

[Crisis]

I was thinking about it and you guys are referring to NK as "they" when it comes to North Korean decision making, but isn't NK solely dictated unquestionably by Kim Jong Il? As far as I can see that guy is a lunatic and lets face it he's nearing the end of his rope, could be going out with a huge bang.

If he's the one calling the shots I wouldn't be too surprised if NK go as far as the use of nukes.

Kim Jong-Il is in charge of North Korea but there are other generals and party members and the like who have some authority and can to a small extent act autonomously so long as it's within Jong-Il's wishes. And honestly I have my sincere doubts as to whether or not North Korea could effectively utilize a nuclear weapon even if they've successfully managed to detonate one.

 

[m3k]

im not saying north korea would be easy... but based on reports of their ability to feed and power the country wouldnt you say that a war would still end quickly... just look at their reports of their power supply or look at a night time photo of north and south korea

really how could north korea last at war with power constraints, let alone food constraints


and would north korea give up with out playing their hand?

could china take over a defeated north korea and we could have cold war number 2? its either china, america or south koreas armies occupying the north after this war and it probably is left to whoever hasnt taken a battering... china has first dibs after the south

 

[numble]

They would still start a war they can't possibly win.

But you're advocating dropping a nuke on Pyongyang, couldn't they have a failsafe in place to send a nuke to Seoul in case that happens? They will go down, and they'll bring down Seoul with them.

 

[Phoenix]

They're probably not even capable of hitting SK soil unless they carry it over. But their long range ICBMs reach Hawaii and Alaska I think. In theory. Probably not.

There is much debate over whether or not their ICBM that can reach Hawaii is even capable of carrying the nuclear devices that NK has in its possession. Its like the Soviet Csar Bomba/Big Ivan. It was a 100MT weapon, but there was absolutely no way to get the massive beast on anything for it to ever be delivered to the US. Western Europe was a target because the Tu-95 could reach it, but the US would have never seen one on - the thing was freaking massive and heavy (27 tonnes).

 

[BocoDragon]

I was thinking about it and you guys are referring to NK as "they" when it comes to North Korean decision making, but isn't NK solely dictated unquestionably by Kim Jong Il? As far as I can see that guy is a lunatic and lets face it he's nearing the end of his rope, could be going out with a huge bang.

If he's the one calling the shots I wouldn't be too surprised if NK go as far as the use of nukes.

Once again another variation of "Kim Jong Il is ultra-crazy and since he's dying soon he might do anything".

There's no reason to presume he's crazy... and there's no reason to presume he has no care for the world he leaves his sons, political party, and even Korea in general.

 

[Phoenix]

But the soviets wouldn't be as impressed/scared.

They weren't impressed since they had stolen most of the information about the US bomb program from Los Alamos while the bomb was being constructed.