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Not feeling PGR3 and PDZ (360)

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Anyone else not feeling the hype that these 2 games? Maybe it is because of games of the same genre that are just clicking more with me (COD2 and Need for Speed:MW - both are definetely more fun to me)
Also, maybe it is because I am a single player gamer, (without xbox live) and these games just don't feel like they are going to last for me.

Does Perfect Dark 0 get better after the rooftop level? After juggling this with COD2, I'm just kind of wondering why I am bothering continuing to drudge through it. And one of the main replay reasons I was going to keep PGR3 was because of the Geometry Wars mini-game, yet I just bought it on the marketplace...

Sounds like a stupid thread I know, but these are thoughts going through my head. That trade 2 games in for 1 at EB games is looking appealing with DOA4 next week.

These are the 2 least played games out of my 6-pack from launch. NBA2k6, NHL2k6, COD2 and Need for Speed are keeping me glued to the 360 though.

Maybe it is the wine talking as well.... :lol
 
I'm not trying to argue against single player games since that's mainly what I play but...goddamn, I can't imagine owning a 360 without LIVE. I mean...that is the main selling feature. I wouldn't buy any next gen console without broadband, but damn, that is their bread and butter. Can you get it?
 
I'm waiting for a killer app to make me spring for live, and that looks like it will be the Outfit if anything at all (maybe in combo with Saints Row).

I don't know... I might just put these on the shelf and come back to them during a drought, but they just don't have the pull in single player like I thought they would. Seems a lot of games go this route these days....
 
Kingpen said:
I'm waiting for a killer app to make me spring for live, and that looks like it will be the Outfit if anything at all (maybe in combo with Saints Row).

I don't know... I might just put these on the shelf and come back to them during a drought, but they just don't have the pull in single player like I thought they would. Seems a lot of games go this route these days....
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the outfit is going to be the most incredible fucking thing you lay your eyes/hands/penis on.
 
Multiplayer arena online for PDO is getting most of my play. Really sweet. I also can't imagine having a 360 without Live. One of the best parts of the system for me is how Live is intergrated into everything...the way I can check to see the last 60 people I played with online, check out what games they own and how far along in the games they are, see what game and level they are currently playing at the moment if they are online, and join in the game with them. It's all very slick.

That said, PDO single player / co-op missions stink. If I didn't have Live and only had the single player I would trade it in also.

Single player PGR3 has been more fun but it wouldn't be nearly as much of a great game without all the online componants.
 
I am feeling PDZ too much. I finished Agent and Secret Agent and now trying to finish Super (?) Agent and it's hard as hell!

I could be playing PGR3, CoD2 or Kameo but I always come back to PDZ :lol
 
I'm loving PDZ. Almost finished with all of the single player/co-op achievements, but the game is going to last me forever on XBL. The multiplayer is freakin awesome. Can't wait for the new map downloads.

Even if you're mainly into single player just being able to communicate with your friends, to compete with them for high scores and achievements, or for co-op... XBL just adds so much to the experience. I can't imagine the 360 without XBL. It would be like having a computer with no internet... XBL on 360 is the best thing to come from the next gen. Screw graphics or whatever else.
 
yeah, I know... Outfit is going to rule. Mercenaries was one of my favorite games of all time, and this looks exactly like it.

I think the main problem I am having with PDZ is that I am comparing it to COD2, which is probably the greatest 1P shooter of all time. I want to go back and play these levels all the time, on higher difficulty levels. Then I fall back on Halo and think how fun the campaign was. PDZ just isn't cutting it when compared to those. Even the multiplayer with bots didn't impress me like I thought it would. I even tried it on xbox live with the free gold demo and just didn't get drawn in.

PGR3... well, I don't know either. I feel like I am already halfway through the game, 4 hours into it, and then I wonder if I am going to have the motivation to try to get platinum medals on another runthough. Graphical appeal is awesome, but that only lasts so long.
For me, Need for Speed has so much more to accomplish in it. Getting into a cop chase for 20 minutes straight, and then escaping makes me just want to try to get into one for 30 minutes next time, all while having a fantastic time.
 
I agree on PGR3. I rented it just to experience the graphics and they did nothing for me. A couple of the other games ive played, Kameo and Madden for instance, are far more impressive looking.
 
I slept on it, and definetely am going to be trading perfect dark back to the game store. Jury is still out on PGR3.
 
Kingpen said:
I slept on it, and definetely am going to be trading perfect dark back to the game store. Jury is still out on PGR3.
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If you signed up for the Silver Membership(to get Geometry Wars Evolved), then you should have been given a free month of Gold. Why not try PDZero multiplayer online for a week before trading it back?

Also, check out Gotham TV online Heroes channel for some hot visuals and a look at how you'll be playing after a few weeks of dedication. I think you'll be swayed.
 
i found both of those games really dull as well, particularly in contrast with cod2 and rr6. i haven't played too much of pd zero's multiplayer, but the campaign is inexplicably messy for a game that was in development for whatever ridiculous number of years. at its best it reminds me of how much fun goldeneye was...a game in this style could still be great, but pd zero isn't that game. i suppose pgr 3 has a lot going for it -- near-photoreal graphics and solid handling, mainly -- but it so rarely manages an interesting racecourse. and its whole complex system of progression is frankly less interesting than just winning races one after another. i can't motivate myself to play it at all.
 
PDZ is a hideous, outdated mess, and Rare should be embarrassed by it. While the technology is certainly there, the balance isn't. 5 years for this CRAP? Unbelievable.

PGR3... well, PGR3 runs at 30fps. I don't care how many field studies there are that suggest that most people can't tell the difference between 30fps and 60fps. I can, and I think it's absolutely unacceptable that the racer that was supposed to launch the next generation runs at 30fps.
 
Cerebral Palsy said:
I'm loving PDZ. Almost finished with all of the single player/co-op achievements, but the game is going to last me forever on XBL. The multiplayer is freakin awesome. Can't wait for the new map downloads.

Even if you're mainly into single player just being able to communicate with your friends, to compete with them for high scores and achievements, or for co-op... XBL just adds so much to the experience. I can't imagine the 360 without XBL. It would be like having a computer with no internet... XBL on 360 is the best thing to come from the next gen. Screw graphics or whatever else.
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hey tag, your link directs me to my own achievements for PDZ. and yes, we all know how much of a pimp you are in this game. :lol dude, you've beaten it on dark agent. that's dedication man.
 
AltogetherAndrews said:
PGR3... well, PGR3 runs at 30fps. I don't care how many field studies there are that suggest that most people can't tell the difference between 30fps and 60fps. I can, and I think it's absolutely unacceptable that the racer that was supposed to launch the next generation runs at 30fps.
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I want to slap people like you. A rock-solid 30fps framerate ruins the game for you?
 
If you guys didnt know, we usually setup PDZ GAF games around 7pm-8pm Est. Jump on if you want some brilliant matches
 
I thought single player PDZ was mediocre. The jury's still out on how good it is online for me. PGR3, on the other hand, is absolute quality.
 
zesty said:
I want to slap people like you. A rock-solid 30fps framerate ruins the game for you?
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Slap ahead. Look, I could deal with PGR2 being 30fps, but that was on Xbox. I'm sick and tired of hearing from developers that framerate doesn't matter when it so clearly does, and in this case I'm voicing my complaint by not purchasing the game. I have plenty of other issues with this sterile racer, but that's the critical flaw that kept me from giving it a second chance.
 
AltogetherAndrews said:
PDZ is a hideous, outdated mess, and Rare should be embarrassed by it. While the technology is certainly there, the balance isn't. 5 years for this CRAP? Unbelievable.

PGR3... well, PGR3 runs at 30fps. I don't care how many field studies there are that suggest that most people can't tell the difference between 30fps and 60fps. I can, and I think it's absolutely unacceptable that the racer that was supposed to launch the next generation runs at 30fps.
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So can I. Are there really field studies that say that? To me, 60 fps is crucial, and I never understand why developers sacrife framerate for anything else. MKDS is smoother than PGR3. I mean, wtf?

As for PDZ, I think it completely sucks ass, and is the perfect example of what's wrong with the industry. The only thing improved from the N64 version is the graphics and sound. The AI hasn't improved at all. Gameplay is the same. Character design still gay. It's obvious Rare's focus was on graphics alone. I played this game on the N64 years ago. The graphics are shiny as hell, but no thanks.
 
Larry Bird said:
So can I. Are there really field studies that say that? To me, 60 fps is crucial, and I never understand why developers sacrife framerate for anything else. MKDS is smoother than PGR3. I mean, wtf?

As for PDZ, I think it completely sucks ass, and is the perfect example of what's wrong with the industry. The only thing improved from the N64 version is the graphics and sound. The AI hasn't improved at all. Gameplay is the same. Character design still gay. It's obvious Rare's focus was on graphics alone. I played this game on the N64 years ago. The graphics are shiny as hell, but no thanks.
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I'll try to find a link, but I think it was Bizarre that [supposedly] conducted a few tests on people to see if they were able to distinguish 30fps from 60fps, with the result being that few did. Complete BS of course, but that's what I read.
 
I absolutely can see the difference, and it is a HUGE difference in my eyes. Having said that, if it's a rock solid 30fps, I can play it and still have fun and it won't bother me too much. It's only when it's not a steady framerate that it gets to the point where I can't stand it.
 
Prine said:
If you guys didnt know, we usually setup PDZ GAF games around 7pm-8pm Est. Jump on if you want some brilliant matches
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I'll try to be on tonight. I guess I should add a few of you to my friends' list.
 
Ok so last night Coldblooded and I finished Co-op on Secret Agent for the first time and after all this time I get the achievement (I was the game host) and he got...nothing. Anyone know why this is? He was there to complete each and every level with me and now when he goes to be a host for the room he has no levels completed.
Hes also having the same problem with PGR3, he got all golds but got no achievement.
 
PGR3 is absolutely stunning but you have to make sure to grab the right car for your driving style or else you'll be fighting it more than driving it.

As for PDZ I am REALLY enjoying it so far (up to Laboratory Assault), possibly because I am playing it like it should be played instead of running and gunning like Halo. I also like the comicbook style and the sense of humour is pretty damn good aswell.
 
I didn't like PDZ at all.
But after spending about 60 hours online with it I think the onlineplay is kinda good in Dark Ops, there are some rather fun game modes there. I really like Infection since it is so twisted and team balance don't matter.
I was once fending off 11 skellys alone for 40 sec and managed to survive while they tried to rush me... quite fun :p

The single player part is shit and I hate it to no end, it ain't worth playing.
 
nubbe said:
I didn't like PDZ at all.
But after spending about 60 hours online with it I think the onlineplay is kinda good in Dark Ops, there are some rather fun game modes there. I really like Infection since it is so twisted and team balance don't matter.
I was once fending off 11 skellys alone for 40 sec and managed to survive while they tried to rush me... quite fun :p

The single player part is shit and I hate it to no end, it ain't worth playing.
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I was so dissapointed in the ending after completing it last night. It was just so stupid, I mean you just
walk off with little Carrington guy and Fat bastard and thats it!

I haven't beat Halo 2 to compare the shitty endings but I'm pretty sure this one takes the cake.
 
I can play and enjoy 30 FPS racers, but I think the problem is that people are disappointed that this supposed next-gen step forward seems retrograde at 30 FPS. I mean, what're we paying $400 for?
 
Slap ahead. Look, I could deal with PGR2 being 30fps, but that was on Xbox. I'm sick and tired of hearing from developers that framerate doesn't matter when it so clearly does, and in this case I'm voicing my complaint by not purchasing the game. I have plenty of other issues with this sterile racer, but that's the critical flaw that kept me from giving it a second chance.
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So I'm guessing that we can expect you here in a few years, griping that there's absolutely no excuse for the new systems to be cranking out games running at 60 fps, when anything less than 120 is simply unacceptable?
 
pdz is a game that grows on you... i didnt like it at first but the more i played the more i liked it.

especially playing dark ops... cant go wrong with dark ops.


as for PGR 3... that game is hot! I've been playing RR6 alot so im now just getting into pgr 3 and i've been missing so much. When you get used to the controls... it will also grow on you.
 
I GUESS I can see where the framerate hate thing is coming in.. but if I can still play Perfect Dark/GoldenEye on the N64 with 4 players, around 4 bots (in PD), and have the framerate dip to like 15 FPS (estimated), and still have one hell of a time.. how can you not enjoy a rock solid 30 FPS game (generally considered to be smooth by most people)? I understand that PGR3 is two generations ahead of the game I just mentioned, but generations of systems really has nothing to do with how much fun you get out of a game, and while I agree, it seems like most games should be running at a rock solid 60 FPS now and they aren't.. I dunno. It definitely doesn't bother me to the point where I won't buy a game that's not 60 FPS. I would have bought Perfect Dark Zero even if it had the very same terrible framerate as the original.

I think the only time we should be concerned about frame rate in the next generation consoles is if it starts to hit Stunt Race FX levels. :lol :lol :lol

But, that's your opinion and that's fine. Sorry, I was just spouting off.. :D
 
PDZ is a hideous, outdated mess, and Rare should be embarrassed by it. While the technology is certainly there, the balance isn't. 5 years for this CRAP? Unbelievable.

PGR3... well, PGR3 runs at 30fps. I don't care how many field studies there are that suggest that most people can't tell the difference between 30fps and 60fps. I can, and I think it's absolutely unacceptable that the racer that was supposed to launch the next generation runs at 30fps.
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Nailed it.

I GUESS I can see where the framerate hate thing is coming in.. but if I can still play Perfect Dark/GoldenEye on the N64 with 4 players, around 4 bots (in PD), and have the framerate dip to like 15 FPS (estimated), and still have one hell of a time.. how can you not enjoy a rock solid 30 FPS game (generally considered to be smooth by most people)?
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C'mon now...
 
AltogetherAndrews said:
PDZ is a hideous, outdated mess, and Rare should be embarrassed by it. While the technology is certainly there, the balance isn't. 5 years for this CRAP? Unbelievable.
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Exactly right. Except for the very rare moment, it doesn't look, feel, or sound like Perfect Dark, but instead like some generic run n gun shooter from 8 years ago. And I can't believe I'm saying this, but the graphics largely suck. Kameo smokes it, handily. I don't know what it is about the graphics that turns me off (aside from the atrocious artwork), but it just doesn't work.
 
DaCocoBrova said:
Nailed it.



C'mon now...
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C'mon now, what? I can very much enjoy PD/GE at those framerate levels, even if it does make aiming a little difficult at times. Sure, I'd PREFER it to be a silky smooth 60 FPS, but a fucking awesome game is still fucking awesome at 15, 30, 45, or 60 FPS. Perhaps a little less fucking awesome at 15, but nevertheless. :D

EDIT: Although I should say that perhaps this would vary between genres, like the aforementioned racing genre with PGR3. If PGR3 ran at a constant 15 FPS, yeah, I'd have a problem with that. But if it only dropped down to the 15-20 FPS level for like a split second, I don't see much of a problem. But, regardless, apparently PGR3 runs at 30. So.. yeah. :lol
 
Yeah, I realize that both of these franchises have more toward online play then single play. They are both just rather lacking for the single player gamer in mind. I have enjoyed both of them up until this point in their prior incarnations, but I doubt I'll be buying any more of their sequels. Hope you guys continue to have fun with them the way they were meant to be played.

Maybe I'll just put them towards pre-order of Oblivion (although I'm kinda scared that may be some boring RPG that is too heavy on menu management) -- never played this series before.
 
PDZ, I agree with. Definitely not feeling that. PGR3 on the other hand, I'm feeling. I'm feeling it like Michael Jackson feels a 10 year old boy.

I played NFS, and quite frankly, I do not understand how any one is having any fun with this PoS. Terrible controls IMO. Maybe my EA hatred is blinding me, but I don't think that's the case.
 
hyp said:
hey tag, your link directs me to my own achievements for PDZ. and yes, we all know how much of a pimp you are in this game. :lol dude, you've beaten it on dark agent. that's dedication man.
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Link fixed. And I'm only halfway through Perfect Agent on both single and co-op... But I will beat it soon. Oh yes, I will beat it soon!

And fuck you guys. PDZ is a blast! Single player (Perfect Agent) is really good. Multiplayer is freakin awesome! FUCK ALL OF YOU!
 
I hated PDZ until I started playing it with Che, Prine and the others. Then I realized the brilliance of this game..

especially Dopey buying the shield :lol
 
Mejilan said:
Exactly right. Except for the very rare moment, it doesn't look, feel, or sound like Perfect Dark, but instead like some generic run n gun shooter from 8 years ago. And I can't believe I'm saying this, but the graphics largely suck. Kameo smokes it, handily. I don't know what it is about the graphics that turns me off (aside from the atrocious artwork), but it just doesn't work.
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How much time have you put into it?

About not feeling like PD, thats just bs. Over dramatic animation, music, gadgets, mission objectives all remind me of PD, even some of the sound effects sound like its from the orginal. Just look at the way the light shimmers, straight out of PD (obvously looking alot better, but you get that cross effect)

Play it more, get down the controls, the game absolutly rocks
 
StoOgE said:
I hated PDZ until I started playing it with Che, Prine and the others. Then I realized the brilliance of this game..

especially Dopey buying the shield :lol
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:lol :lol

"Dont revive me, I cant live without my Jetpack!" :lol

That was some funny shit
 
Prine said:
:lol :lol

"Dont revive me, I cant live without my Jetpack!" :lol

That was some funny shit
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That was really good stuff. I dont remember who it was, but some jackass was stealing my jetback so I headshot him, then revived him and took off in it. Next thing I know my whole team turned against me and destroyed me :lol

My dumbest move was when we had 3 guys left. Myself, Che and you (IIRC).. and the other team had 2 left. Everyone was fighting down one hall.. and then my rocket ate the back of one of your heads and killed us all :lol
 
That's why I have a problem when some say the 360 launch line up Is so incredible. IMO the games Ms released at launch are geared more for online play rather than the single player experience. I have prg3, PDZ, NBA2k6 and condemned. The last two get more play from me than PDZ and PRG3 :/
 
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