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[chedabob]

Does that data include custom built PCs or just pre-built ones?

 

[Beer Monkey]

Most high-end consumer rigs are either homebuilt or bought through specialty etailers that NPD doesn't track. These stats are meaningless.

Disclaimer: I have both PC and Mac(book) platforms.

 

[Shogmaster]

I'd think one disclaimer would be enough to show that I wasn't trying to project "facts" across. When I say something is for me, that's pretty much relevant for my whole post unless I explicitly say otherwise... So I'll rephrase if it makes you happy. For me, OS X is faster and more stable than Vista. For me, OS X is more usable than XP. This is of course in the applications I use and the work that I do.

Personally speaking, from my extensive experience of using PCs for many, many years, I've never used a faster, more stable OS than OS X. If you've had differing experiences and prefer Windows, then good for you and anyone else who feels the same. And whilst this isn't directed at you (but the boneheads who feel it's okay to proclaim Macs as inherently redundant and shit), I was just stating that there are justifications for using the OS, my circumstances being one of them.

Better?

I would never ask that you justify your purchases to me. I personally couldn't care less. I only care when you use it in a guise to detract the other choices. That is all.

 

[Broseybrose]

Must hurt having to just use Windows everyday huh? :lol

yeah, its a nightmare you couldnt imagine... playing all these great games on my 24" monitor @1920x1200, with 16xAF/4xAA.

you have no idea how much it hurts. dumbass.

edit: and i used to like reading your posts, too, because of your sexy sega avi. but no more! you are now my enemy!!! j/k. but i am a huge pc gamer so suggesting to me that it must hurt to use the best gaming platform in the world is, just... mind-boggling.

 

[Jamesfrom818]

I actually have nothing against Apple. My first computer was an Apple IIe. I used Macs when I was in yearbook. I usually went to the Mac labs because the lines for the Windows labs in college were usually longer. I don't ever see myself buying an Apple computer though.

 

[Broseybrose]

i also have nothing against apple except for their preying on the uninformed by charging 400% for RAM. im sure thats just the tip of the iceberg, but thats the one anecdote that i know is fact.

 

[Liu Kang Baking A Pie]

This post is in dedication to you, Zyzyxxz:

i also have nothing against apple except for their preying on the uninformed by charging 400% for RAM. im sure thats just the tip of the iceberg, but thats the one anecdote that i know is fact.

This is petty reasoning for the laughably vitriolic grandstanding and stupid bullshit you've typed to pollute this thread, and your claim isn't even accurate.

They charge $200 to upgrade 2 GB to 4 GB on the iMac, and Dell charges $100 to upgrade 2 GB to 4 GB on an XPS desktop. Lower your 400% FUD by about 300%.

Why do you care so much about RAM price? It's not like you or anyone else with any intelligence would buy it from Apple anyway.

do your research mac-lovers. learn the hard truth.

Follow your own advice.

 

[Phoenix]

i know, its a shame that people are so uninformed and get ripped off everyday.

Sure, well show me the other option to running OSX with the software that I listed earlier in the thread in a supported manner. Until you can do that, you really should be silent.

 

[Shiggie]

I like Apple. I hate their fans.

im a fan/owner and i hate em too:lol

 

[AmishNazi]

Sure, well show me the other option to running OSX with the software that I listed earlier in the thread in a supported manner. Until you can do that, you really should be silent.

It's hackintosh and it's supported by google.

 

[ZombieSupaStar]

Yes, every intelligent person I know builds their own from scratch. They start with scrap metal and spare silicon. Then they spend a little while getting the voltage gates to function before they start some bootstrap code to implement an ASM language and write their own operating system. Once that's done, they get a network stack and browser up and running and post on GAF.

That's what smart people do.

now now, no need to mock linux fans.

 

[Xisiqomelir]

More tears for the thread plz.

 

[pxleyes]

I see there are many people in here who are unable to actually read the article to get some context around that false thread title.

 

[Zyzyxxz]

This post is in dedication to you, Zyzyxxz:

This is petty reasoning for the laughably vitriolic grandstanding and stupid bullshit you've typed to pollute this thread, and your claim isn't even accurate.

They charge $200 to upgrade 2 GB to 4 GB on the iMac, and Dell charges $100 to upgrade 2 GB to 4 GB on an XPS desktop. Lower your 400% FUD by about 300%.

Why do you care so much about RAM price? It's not like you or anyone else with any intelligence would buy it from Apple anyway.

Follow your own advice.

hmmm even still, most people shouldn't pay any retailer to upgrade RAM for them but why does apple charge twice as much as Dell ? I can see a Microsoft-120gig xbox HDD reasoning coming from Apple. Whatever, people can spend there money any way they want and I can openly facepalm in response.

 

[yayaba]

Okay. Fuck it. I have to take on this whole "Windows isn't stable, lolz!" business by the horns. It's the most stupid shit I've ever read on the internet, yet it keeps popping up like a herpes outbreak.

I've used Windows on my own machines for over a decade, in addition to Ubuntu and I've also worked a lot with OSX in my school's labs. Right now I'm dual booting Vista and XP, and I DON'T HAVE FUCKING CRASHES. I just don't. None. Nada. NOT EVER. I even overclock the shit out of my hardware too. Every problem I've EVER had has been solely due to a hardware error of my own design (pushing the OC too far for instance). I don't know what you guys did to your PCs, but they just don't crash when you run them properly.

I use my partitions for web programming and video work (editing and encoding). And I'm constantly pushing that shit as hard as it will go with games. Where are all these stability issues I'm supposed to be having by now?

I have to seriously question the tech competence of the dyed-in-the-wool Apple heads who switched because they had tech issues with Windows. What in the hell are you guys doing with your Windows to make it crash all the time? Beats fuck all for me, because they just don't happen on my end. Maybe, oh I don't know, just maybe you should consider a few things:

Use Update to keep the latest fixes and Service Packs installed. And don't download shit from websites with seizure-educing GIFs that promise you a hot chick IN YOUR CITY IS LOOKING FOR YOU!!!

It's not that hard. If you have any tech competence whatsoever you shouldn't be having any problems with your Windows OS. But if you can't keep up with simple updates (which can be automatic anyway) and common fucking sense on how to run your shit and what NOT to do, then by all means get a MAC to prevent your PC from suffering.

Now not all of us are coders and not all of us need to run every program available on the net, so if it's purely an aesthetics thing and a "does enough for me" thing then that's completely understandable. Macs kick all kinds of ass for straightforward and "general" computing. And they're even getting better with support for other stuff too from what I can tell.

But if you switched because you kept fucking over your Windows OS, then I just don't understand that. Believe me, if Windows was so unstable it would have fucked me over regularly with all the shit I do on it on a daily basis.

That's all. I just don't get how anyone can break their Windows and then blame it on the OS, which I have to assume is what's going on given my own experience and that of those around me.

... unless we have always been given magical copies of Windows which are magically stable all the time.

I applaud you sir. I use OSX at home and Windows at work. Before my Macbook I used XP and loved it. I use Vista now at work and I don't think it's a bad OS.

I think in my 6-7 years of using XP/Vista, I've seen a bluescreen maybe 10 times. Most of those were caused by faulty hardware or drivers that I installed. The only real problem I had was actually recent where I installed TurboTax 2007 and it completely wrecked the XP install (though to be fair I was getting corrupted hard drive balloon notifications from Windows a lot).

Windows is fine, I don't understand how so many people say it crashes all the time either EXCLUDING bad drivers/hardware.

 

[aznpxdd]

What other ways are there for Mac fans to justify their purchase?

 

[Zyzyxxz]

What other ways are there for Mac fans to justify their purchase?

to be like Steve Jobs and wear a black turtleneck 99% of the time.

Though as much as I hate him for his arrogance I applaud his marketing directions.

Shit if I could get people to pay me several hundred dollar premium on desktops and $200 for 2gb RAM upgrades then I all aboard that ship.

 

[Broseybrose]

Sure, well show me the other option to running OSX with the software that I listed earlier in the thread in a supported manner. Until you can do that, you really should be silent.

i dont care about osx. and who are you, telling me i should be silent? personally, i think you should be silent.

now about the $400 RAM upgrade. either the talk show host was incorrect or i misinterpreted what i heard. its really $200. either way, i just think its a shame when companies prey on the uninformed, and in that department, apple is The Worst.

and i still say do your research. bottom line, apple is expensive. and more often than not, you dont really get what you pay for. just like pc boutique shops like alienware.

 

[theBishop]

I don't run OSX, but I would like to see more game publishers make an effort on other platforms besides Windows. Maybe these numbers will help convince them.

Running Windows is a nightmare. PC gaming alone is not a good enough reason to put up with it.

 

[TemplaerDude]

there's more hyperbole getting tossed around in this thread on both sides than necessary.

 

[v0yce]

i dont care about osx. and who are you, telling me i should be silent? personally, i think you should be silent.

Yeah, I think we all get that. But guess what, there's a lot of us who do. And that's one of the big reasons we choose to pay the premium for a Mac. Not because we're stupid or uninformed as you'd like to think.

 

[Dilbert]

i dont care about osx. and who are you, telling me i should be silent? personally, i think you should be silent.

now about the $400 RAM upgrade. either the talk show host was incorrect or i misinterpreted what i heard. its really $200. either way, i just think its a shame when companies prey on the uninformed, and in that department, apple is The Worst.

and i still say do your research. bottom line, apple is expensive. and more often than not, you dont really get what you pay for. just like pc boutique shops like alienware.

Knock it off. Go enjoy your PC games, but for crying out loud, stay the hell out of Apple threads.

 

[RiskyChris]

Knock it off. Go enjoy your PC games, but for crying out loud, stay the hell out of Apple threads.

This is a clearly PC/Apple thread...

Though you could mean, "stay out of threads where Apple is mentioned" in which case I might be inclined to agree =)

 

[Shogmaster]

Knock it off. Go enjoy your PC games, but for crying out loud, stay the hell out of Apple threads.

To be fair, this ain't strictly an Apple thread. More like PC users baiting thread.

 

[Zyzyxxz]

I don't run OSX, but I would like to see more game publishers make an effort on other platforms besides Windows. Maybe these numbers will help convince them.

Running Windows is a nightmare. PC gaming alone is not a good enough reason to put up with it.

if its such a nightmare take your poor computing skills to Apple.

Seriously I am always amazed at the ability of people to fuck up their computers.

 

[RiskyChris]

Running Windows is a nightmare. PC gaming alone is not a good enough reason to put up with it.

Joke post?

 

[Flo_Evans]

We just got an Xserve here to replace our win2000 server. I think I might get a mac as my next desktop. Definitely getting a macbook as my next lappie.

Windows is just not worth the hassle anymore.

 

[Dilbert]

To be fair, this ain't strictly an Apple thread. More like PC users baiting thread.

I'm just giving him some advice for his longevity on this board. You don't have to like Apple to stick around here, but you'd better not shit up threads with broad statements that can't be supported.

 

[Incognito]

Not a surprise. Apple dominates among those who are both affluent and intelligent. Intelligence often leads to wealth in which case people want the best for their home and work, i.e. Apple. People who are puzzled are probably the owner of PCs.

 

[Xisiqomelir]

Joke post?

Why would you think that? I have my college computer, a 17" Powerbook, and an Ubuntu box I built from Newegg parts. That selection was a deliberate choice.

 

[Jamesfrom818]

Not a surprise. Apple dominates among those who are both affluent and intelligent. Intelligence often leads to wealth in which case people want the best for their home and work, i.e. Apple. People who are puzzled are probably the owner of PCs.

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[RiskyChris]

Why would you think that? I have my college computer, a 17" Powerbook, and an Ubuntu box I built from Newegg parts. That selection was a deliberate choice.

I just don't understand the "windows is a nightmare" mentality.

I just haven't encountered the same problems, I guess.

 

[zenbot]

I just don't understand the "windows is a nightmare" mentality.

Stockholm syndrome.

(KIDDING!)

 

[SyNapSe]

We just got an Xserve here to replace our win2000 server.

You own your own business correct? at the Xserve

As to the subject, I think it makes some sense that Apple would have a solid share of the high end market. A lot of high end graphics and video editing people use it.

 

[VictimOfGrief]

yeah, its a nightmare you couldnt imagine... playing all these great games on my 24" monitor @1920x1200, with 16xAF/4xAA.

you have no idea how much it hurts. dumbass.

edit: and i used to like reading your posts, too, because of your sexy sega avi. but no more! you are now my enemy!!! j/k. but i am a huge pc gamer so suggesting to me that it must hurt to use the best gaming platform in the world is, just... mind-boggling.

Well it wasn't meant to a a serious punch just a jab.

I use both each day... or most every day or every other....

both of them do well. Obviously the PC's built from scratch or HP/Dell/Gateway etc. variety still dominate the market, but that doesn't mean that Apple is a slouch for hardware on their systems.

Some things Apple has I like better than PC and does them better or more efficiently than on the PC, and my PC does some things that my Mac doesn't do very well.

Obviously it's easy to dismiss Apple as a "snob's computer" simply because the Apple fanboi base that has powered the sales for such a long time has been so obnoxious in doing so. Now that Apple is finally hitting the mainstream and winning among general consumers, it's hard to ignore it's hardware be it office tools or games.

I'm hoping that more companies jump on board for Mac gaming but only time will tell.

 

[Shouta]

I'm just giving him some advice for his longevity on this board. You don't have to like Apple to stick around here, but you'd better not shit up threads with broad statements that can't be supported.

You'd better tell that to all the people in this thread that are acting like Apple and OSX are inherently superior to PCs and Windows as well. Got Apple snobs and angry PC linebackers here, can't jump on just one of them.

Broseybrowse: Rachet your mouth down. If you're going to argue your point, don't be a jackass about it.

 

[pizzaguysrevenge]

Why is it that people can defend Macs with nothing other than "OSX is better." But whenever a PC user says he likes Windows better, he gets laughed at?

I find that there is nothing that OSX has that makes it any better than XP.

 

[pxleyes]

Not a surprise. Apple dominates among those who are both affluent and intelligent. Intelligence often leads to wealth in which case people want the best for their home and work, i.e. Apple. People who are puzzled are probably the owner of PCs.

I don't think baiting is a good idea in this thread.

 

[zenbot]

Why is it that people can defend Macs with nothing other than "OSX is better." But whenever a PC user says he likes Windows better, he gets laughed at?

I dunno man, this seems like sort of a straw man. There are a bunch of reasons to prefer Macs to Windows PCs (OS X of course being one) and I find that most Apple fans are happy to elucidate on all of them :lol.

Speaking for myself, while I do far prefer OS X to Windows, I also prefer Apple's hardware (perpetually terrible video card selection notwithstanding) to anything any other PC manufaturer produces. I've got a G5 iMac at home, and it's just a really lovely physical object. Real care has been invested into its design and it shows.

 

[duderon]

Why is it that people can defend Macs with nothing other than "OSX is better." But whenever a PC user says he likes Windows better, he gets laughed at?

I find that there is nothing that OSX has that makes it any better than XP.

One major factor for me would be no need for anti-virus software. My computer was scanned for 9 hours today, which is absolutely ridiculous. I don't want to have to deal with that again, so that's a huge plus for OSX.

 

[6.8]

Ahhh good old apple threads. You can always figure out who needs to get laid in these.