billmcdougal
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Any word on an msi twinfrozr price?
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Nvidia Geforce GTX 1070 Review Thread
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That's very sound reasoning and pretty similar to my initial thoughts... Also unlike the other cards, they've left the preorder page up now for half the day already and counting so I wonder why they did that when they didn't do it for the other cards.
dgrdsv
Member
Yeah, AB driver level monitoring works, AB's overlay and RTSS framerate monitoring doesn't. So you can still see most of readings with the exception of fps in AB itself.
Yup. I have committed myself to wait until August to build my new rig. Right before the fall onslaught of games and hoping by then this whole launch and AMD's cards settle.
I'm saying and its total bs
Glass Shark
Banned
Unfortunately I got myself into a pickle by selling my old card assuming that I'd be able to find something closer to the $379 price within a reasonable amount of time. But it looks like that won't be the case for quite a while, so I'm going to have to make the jump at a higher price. Blegh.
Hell i returned my 970 because "hey it's only a $40 dollar difff why not" i've been w/o a card for a long time now.
question So i can play games without a graphics card in my pc on an i5? should i unplugg the cord that goes to my graphics card from my power supply before i try this?
saltinekracka
Member
Looked for this earlier but couldn't find anything. The Gigabyte card was looking the best to me, though.
http://www.gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=5916#kf
dgrdsv
Member
What cord?
SneakyStephan
Banned
I got my 1070 yesterday and slapped it in the ole' PC. It's almost as fast in 3dmark as my 390x CF 290 was , about 15000 points in firestrike compared to the 17200 I got with that other combo. But with the 290 toasted , I was left with the 390x by itself which only got about 10000 points.
How does it preform in my games ? Well this is the first Nvidia card I've purchased since the 8800 GT so I decided to try out Arkham city and with PhysX turned on the game crashes almost instantly. With it off it runs at 59.97 fps (vsync on) with zero issues. It was a stuttery mess on the previous set up. Tomb Raider, maxed out at 1080p (using the nvidia experience thing to lock in settings) did a 59.97 average in the benchmark with somewhere around 80 as high mark. The thing that really impressed me is how much better this card is at frame pacing though. I never once saw Rise of the Tomb Raider run so damn smooth, it was like butter, not so much as a single hitch anywhere. Very impressed there.
Witcher 3 , 1080p in Ultra (complete with the silly fur shaders cranked up) also ran super great. I didn't benchmark the framerate exactly but on the 390x I had to turn some settings down to high from ultra to keep the game from getting jerky which again- might be a frame pacing issue that the 1070 (and by extension Nvidias driver) doesn't have.
For shits and giggles I ran the ultra SF4 benchmark which some of you may or may not know , maxes out at 300 fps - it rendered the entire benchmark so fast that I didn't even get to see it, just heard a smattering of noise and a couple of frames of animation and the stat page came up. I might want to try doing some super sampling there because there's clearly a ton of room for it. I mean it is a game from 2008 afterall.
Saints row 3 also ran smooth as butter and the Nvidia experience app defaulted it to 4K super sampling. There was the odd flickery texture thing going on that the 390X didn't produce but a running theme here is that the 390x whether crossfire'd or not , caused frame pacing problems everywhere that this 1070 card doesn't reproduce and SR3 was no exception.
Dragon Age Inquisition , I had run the benchmark while the CF setup still worked and got well north of 100 FPS but in game - again, frame pacing issues made it look janky as hell at points , it was probably running at 60 fps but didn't feel like it. On the 1070 ? scored roughly 100 fps in the benchmark and in game it actually felt and ran like it was at 60 without any stuttering.
That's about all the noteworthy stuff I tried , I mean I loaded up Dark souls 3 as well but I haven't played it since before the 290 blew up on me so it ran just as smooth as my last memory of the game.
All in all, thanks to the exchange rate , the 1070 was 50% less money then a 1080 when comparing founders edition prices. Even if I compare the cheapest 1080 I've seen , it was still 33% cheaper. From reading this thread it sounds like prices on the non reference cards for the 1070 are pretty much the same if not more money than the FE so I don't know guys I'm happy with my purchase.
Only thing that sucks is that I spent way to much money on the 390X only a few months ago to play games on this PC , I suppose it could be worse - I contemplated buying a 970 that was 740$ and opted for the 550$ 390X instead. But based on recent benchmarks it's looking like the 480 line coming in a couple weeks is about as good as a 390X for 25% less money ... meaning if I resell that 390X I can't see myself getting even half of what I paid for it
From all the benchmarks I've seen pascal is significantly better at frametime consistency than maxwell is, and maxwell itself is better than amd's cards (though amd have achieved similar consistency in some games recently with newer drivers, but not across the board)
That increased cpu overhead on amd also really has to hurt frametime consistency in more cpu heavy games
The one that routes power to the gpu
dgrdsv
Member
If you don't have the card at the moment then why is there such cord?
Glass Shark
Banned
After reading through the reviews that are out so far, I think I'm going to aim for getting the MSI Gaming X unless the price is outrageous.
dgrdsv
Member
All AIB cards for 1070 and 1080 seems to be pretty even and on all of them no high OC range is guaranteed so you should just go for the cheapest out of those available imo.
PHOENIXZERO
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MSI and ASUS Send VGA Review Samples with Higher Clocks than Retail Cards
It's about the 1080 but probably relevant to the 1070 as well.
Shame it's about a half inch too long for my case.
It's about the 1080 but probably relevant to the 1070 as well.
Shame it's about a half inch too long for my case.
My EVGA SC edition should be coming in today. I'm glad I managed to snag one of those early since it's been a month with integrated graphics and I really wanted a custom cooler vs the founders edition. I think I'm going to try and jump back into Witcher 3. Until I get too frustrated having no idea what I was doing.
Cord came from the power supply
dgrdsv
Member
So where does it go at the moment if you don't have a videocard? And what do you use as your video output - CPU's graphics? If yes then you can just launch your games, no need to do anything with any cords.
The cord is just kinda hanging atm not attached to anything as my graphics card was returned (i'm just making sure nothing will get fried).
i'll just attach a hdmi to the MOBo and see how it looks .
Will look fine, just be slow for gaming.
black_vegeta
Member
What's the purpose of the 2 8-pin connectors on some of these cards? Is it necessary to have both plugged in for it to function?
Yeah (they are 8 and 6 pins though)
Which is insane, considering it's a 150W card.
I'd be getting the MSI Gaming version asap, but the fact it needs additional wattage gives me pause.
billmcdougal
Member
Oh, 2 connectors is bad?
I've seen comments implying done hoping for 8+8 for some reason.
I don't think I get why there are differences.
The 1070 should only need a single 6 or 8 pin, but I'm sure there are reasons, marketing or deisgn-wise to have two power connectors on it.
Info is 75W from PCIe slot
75W per 6 pin power plug
150W per actual 8 pin power plug
Obviously the 1070 doesn't need 300W of power.
Info is 75W from PCIe slot
75W per 6 pin power plug
150W per actual 8 pin power plug
Obviously the 1070 doesn't need 300W of power.
Yes, if you have a modular power supply you can just leave the PCIe power (6/8pin) hanging no issues.
You guys should keep an eye on this 980 Ti as well. It's gone one sale for $400 ($370 after $30 rebate) twice since yesterday.
I would not say that a single 6-pin would be enough. It would have zero OC headroom in the best case, would throttle due to lack of power in the medium case, or damage the PSU from trying to draw too much power in the worst case. Remember: TDP != actual power consumption; it's a measure of the heat output, and it doesn't take GPU Boost fully into account.
black_vegeta
Member
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
I could use some advice...
Been waiting on the new cards. 1070 looks to be going for $450 if you can find one. Otherwise you're at the mercy of gougers.
I have a chance to snag a EVGA 980ti at $340 after rebate. Given the slight difference in power at $100 difference in cost, would I be foolish to pass this up?
I need to act fast. What do you guys think?
Been waiting on the new cards. 1070 looks to be going for $450 if you can find one. Otherwise you're at the mercy of gougers.
I have a chance to snag a EVGA 980ti at $340 after rebate. Given the slight difference in power at $100 difference in cost, would I be foolish to pass this up?
I need to act fast. What do you guys think?
The SC I have has an 8 pin. I guess that makes sense for 225W total. According to EVGA the max power draw is 180. Does that include overclocking though?
I'm curious to try and overclock this card as I've never did it to a graphics card before. Is it difficult. I OC my CPU but that was stupid easy with my BIOS. I know with the cards you have to be a little more cautious with the voltages and everything.
QuantumSquid
Member
I would still go for the 1070. Nvidia is not kind to their old cards - just look what happened to the 770 after the 900 series launched.
Cuban Legend
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what happened to the 770?
Kepler performs pretty bad in recent games compared to older AMD cards and Maxwell. I don't think it's because Nvidia dropped support of their older cards though. I mean even the recent 9xx series is showing performance degradation versus AMD cards in a lot of recent games. Just to a lesser extent than Kepler.
Anyway Maxwell and Pascal are fairly similar so it's unlikely that Maxwell performance is going to go down over time like Kepler.
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
I reserved it.
For $100 savings I'm looking at comparison benchmarks vs 1070, with a difference of a meager couple fps.
I'll have 30 days to decide on keeping it. I'm still gaming on a paltry 19" 900p monitor, so that savings can go towards a new monitor.
QuantumSquid
Member
The non-Founder's Edition 1070s ARE the regular GTX 1070s.
Your best bet is to keep an eye out for the MSI AERO GTX 1070, which will probably be $390 or $380.
Coulomb_Barrier
Member
That's an understatement. They all overclock like crap tbh, with real-world gains of between 5-10% on average.
Luckily performance out of the box is great.
Oh, that's why I'm scratching my head here, because I thought non-Founder editions were supposed to start at $380, but these EVGA ones are $420, they maybe have some overclocking?
When is the MSI Aero scheduled to hit, June/July?
They're simply on the proper side of the supply and demand situation.
Glass Shark
Banned
Just noticed that the Gigabyte G1 Gaming 1070 is the best selling graphics card on Amazon currently, even though it's not available anymore.
Yes, I guess. Hopefully it will go down soon.
I have another question for you guys, how much of a bottleneck would there be if I get the 1070 and have my 2500K at 4.3GHz? I can maybe OC a little more to 4.5GHz stable.
Would there be a small 5-10% bottleneck or something substantial?
OmegaDL50
Member
Hmm...MSI only showing the Gaming X.
Any news when they'll release higher tier Gaming Z version?
I don't care for the gaudy lighting, but I do like the additional factory OC that the Z models get over the X, which is why I wonder when those will drop.
It may take awhile but I want the fastest factory OC'd GTX 1070 I can get my hands on once this paper launch nonsense dies down and the stock becomes more consistent.
Any news when they'll release higher tier Gaming Z version?
I don't care for the gaudy lighting, but I do like the additional factory OC that the Z models get over the X, which is why I wonder when those will drop.
It may take awhile but I want the fastest factory OC'd GTX 1070 I can get my hands on once this paper launch nonsense dies down and the stock becomes more consistent.
dgrdsv
Member
It will. There's nothing special about 1070's PCI-E connection. The things which may be an issue is the length of the card and the presence of 8-pin power cord on your PSU.