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[Rivdoric]

Every few months: "NVIDIA doesn't care about gaming."
Every couple of years: NVIDIA releases a gaming GPU that blows everything else out of the water.

It now also blows itself & PSUs out of the water.

 

[hououinkyouma00]

Chineses companies will supply gpus for us.

China Just Made a GPU That's Powerful Enough for Gaming, But There's a Catch

This 12GB VRAM GPU is about as powerful as an RTX 4060, but it's priced like a 5060 Ti.

uk.pcmag.com

I'll give up PC gaming before I even consider buying one of those.

 

[StereoVsn]

Percentage wise, but still a significant source of revenue.

Yeah, I don't see Nvidia dropping gaming GPUs, but I could see them only having say x80 as the top model for a while.

 

[Prodyhig]

Like other non profit companies, Nvidia cares about money.

Right now, PC gaming isn't as profitable as AI.

Which means gaming is completely irrelevant to them.

 

[executor]

If there're money on the table there'll be a market and potentially someone else that could enter that market... Unfortunately that could means years.... Maybe the PCMR will not be nvidia anymore...

 

[Topher]

Yeah, I don't see Nvidia dropping gaming GPUs, but I could see them only having say x80 as the top model for a while.

Yeah, possible. Resource scarcity is really the problem overall and gaming isn't the cash cow data centers are. I'm sure Nvidia would love to be able to sell gaming GPUs as much as they have in the past, but that just may not be possible while this AI data center build up continues.

Which means gaming is completely irrelevant to them.

Dial back the hyperbole man

 

[Prodyhig]

Yeah, possible. Resource scarcity is really the problem overall and gaming isn't the cash cow data centers are. I'm sure Nvidia would love to be able to sell gaming GPUs as much as they have in the past, but that just may not be possible while this AI data center build up continues.

Data centers aren't going away; they'll only increase.

AI is already a global imperative; those who don't embrace it will be nobody.

 

[Polaris]

Wow, really? I didn't know that.

I guess the billions and billions of dollars they were making with data centers and AI should've been my first clue.

 

[Topher]

Data centers aren't going away; they'll only increase.

They are not going away, but how long the data center build up continues is anyone's guess. I do not think it continues indefinitely. There are still concerns about an AI bubble. This isn't the first time gamers have had to contend with non-gaming utilization.

 

[Wolzard]

Yep.

Nvidia: Improving drivers, DLSS, frame gen, Path tracing, Switch 2, etc...
Some people: Nvidia doesn't care about gaming anymore...

They're even putting effort into Linux, or rather, into games that run on Proton. How could someone who doesn't care about gamers be investing time and money in such a small market...?

 

[Wolzard]

Looking more closely, Edge Computing encompasses PCs, game consoles, workstations, AI-RAN base stations, robotics, and automotive.

In fact, this seems more like a tactic to make the numbers appear larger in the report. It's basically an accounting tactic.

Many tech companies do this. For example, Google includes everything under advertising, only separating YouTube and Google Cloud. Microsoft groups Xbox, Windows, and other products under Personal Computing.

 

[deriks]

They don't care about gaming for a while, CUDA is the proof of it only for bitcoin farmers

I seriously hope to AMD and Intel graphics crushing them because of this

 

[SantaC]

They don't care about gaming for a while, CUDA is the proof of it only for bitcoin farmers

I seriously hope to AMD and Intel graphics crushing them because of this

hasnt intel given up already?

 

[Idleyes]

Nvidia is the Ticketmaster of AI.

 

[deriks]

hasnt intel given up already?

"give up" maybe is a strong word. I can say that they acknowledge that they can't really compete with the others (at least for now)

Since technology changes all the time and companies needs to keep up, they can get better on the market. Look at AMD and that's the perfect example

 

[Physiognomonics]

Data centers aren't going away; they'll only increase.

AI is already a global imperative; those who don't embrace it will be nobody.

Yes. And they are going to put them in orbit. Energy won't be a problem there. The main bottleneck will be chips.

 

[Diddy X]

All I care about is whether we'll keep getting more powerful, affordable GPUs. I want to be able to buy something like a 5090‑equivalent for around 300€ in the coming years, the way it used to be.

 

[PeteBull]

In the end we all know once new nvidia gpu family drops in 2027 sometimes tons of ppl gonna upgrade, especially if we actually compare specs and that 1500$(streetprice, not fake msrp) 6080 is 2x stronger from upcoming ps6, i know i will

 

[Thebonehead]

DGX Spark is widely considered to be a worthless crap.

Purely from GPU / VRAM pespective, it's mostly these things that are widely accepted as go-to choices:

- RTX 3090 (with 2 of them, you can run some strong local models at 48GB VRAM)
- 5090, 4090, 4090 48GB mod (obviously expensive af to get more than 1 card)
- 7900 XTX (using llama.cpp Vulkan instead of CUDA)
- RTX Pro 6000 Blackwell (one 96GB card is enough, super expensive)
- stacking a few RTX 5060 Ti 16GB cards (slower than RTX 3090 by 1.5 to 2 times?)

While all the gamers whine about "AI enthusiasts" stealing their GPUs, those "AI enthusiasts" largely don't give a shit about anything other than a bunch of used RTX 3090 cards (at least when they aren't into image/video generation; for that stuff, 5090 would be quite significantly better).

I have a 5090 and a spark

Spark is great for set and forget 24x7 at low power and doing some fine tuning / requant .

 

[StereoVsn]

In the end we all know once new nvidia gpu family drops in 2027 sometimes tons of ppl gonna upgrade, especially if we actually compare specs and that 1500$(streetprice, not fake msrp) 6080 is 2x stronger from upcoming ps6, i know i will

I don't see a 6080 being almost 2x the current 5080. PS6 is rumored what between 5070Ti and 5080, closer to the Ti?

Edit: if 6080 is 2x and has say 24GB+ VRAM, I am going to upgrade as well, no question.

 

[CuteFaceJay]

DGX Spark is widely considered to be a worthless crap.

Purely from GPU / VRAM pespective, it's mostly these things that are widely accepted as go-to choices:

- RTX 3090 (with 2 of them, you can run some strong local models at 48GB VRAM)
- 5090, 4090, 4090 48GB mod (obviously expensive af to get more than 1 card)
- 7900 XTX (using llama.cpp Vulkan instead of CUDA)
- RTX Pro 6000 Blackwell (one 96GB card is enough, super expensive)
- stacking a few RTX 5060 Ti 16GB cards (slower than RTX 3090 by 1.5 to 2 times?)

While all the gamers whine about "AI enthusiasts" stealing their GPUs, those "AI enthusiasts" largely don't give a shit about anything other than a bunch of used RTX 3090 cards (at least when they aren't into image/video generation; for that stuff, 5090 would be quite significantly better).

3090's still too cheap for what it offers.

 

[Hudo]

They can't even make proper drivers.

 

[PlayStaytion]

Physics is gone, there's nothing special left about nvidia that AMD can't do.

 

[Zacfoldor]

I know this will be an AI hate thread.

So I should just stay out. Not read it. Not see it. Close my eyes to it.

I'm just gonna say it.

AI is gaming. Just in a new way.

 

[hardwood007]

I don't see a 6080 being almost 2x the current 5080. PS6 is rumored what between 5070Ti and 5080, closer to the Ti?

Edit: if 6080 is 2x and has say 24GB+ VRAM, I am going to upgrade as well, no question.

I don't see how ps6 can match a 5070 Ti with just 160w. And that 160w has to be shared with a cpu. An anaemic cpu, sure, but it still takes power away from the gpu

 

[Rocco Schiavone]

You will have to buy a Gabe Box and just be happy

8GB VRAM is complete shit.

 

[Wolzard]

I seriously hope to AMD and Intel graphics crushing them because of this

I wonder how people can be so blind. AMD literally does the same thing as Nvidia. Just on a smaller scale.
However, their data center sector is now having an Nvidia-2022 moment.

 

[Wolzard]

DGX Spark is widely considered to be a worthless crap.

Purely from GPU / VRAM pespective, it's mostly these things that are widely accepted as go-to choices:

- RTX 3090 (with 2 of them, you can run some strong local models at 48GB VRAM)
- 5090, 4090, 4090 48GB mod (obviously expensive af to get more than 1 card)
- 7900 XTX (using llama.cpp Vulkan instead of CUDA)
- RTX Pro 6000 Blackwell (one 96GB card is enough, super expensive)
- stacking a few RTX 5060 Ti 16GB cards (slower than RTX 3090 by 1.5 to 2 times?)

While all the gamers whine about "AI enthusiasts" stealing their GPUs, those "AI enthusiasts" largely don't give a shit about anything other than a bunch of used RTX 3090 cards (at least when they aren't into image/video generation; for that stuff, 5090 would be quite significantly better).

Spark was designed for developers. It's essentially a replica of what you find in a data center rack, making application development much easier.

You can draw an analogy with the devkits for game consoles.

 

[StereoVsn]

Spark was designed for developers. It's essentially a replica of what you find in a data center rack, making application development much easier.

You can draw an analogy with the devkits for game consoles.

Yeah, the whole point is that 128gb is enough to fit most models, you can run CUDA and the overall inference speed doesn't really matter, it's not meant for that.

 

[Bojji]

Like other non profit companies, Nvidia cares about money.

Right now, PC gaming isn't as profitable as AI.

Which means gaming is completely irrelevant to them.

They are making multiple billions on gaming. And they have to design new architecture every 2 or 3 years anyway, using small % of die allocation (compared to data center stuff) for consumer GPUs is no problem for them.

Nvidia owns the market, I doubt they will drop something that is basically "free money" for them.

 

[SmokSmog]

I don't see a 6080 being almost 2x the current 5080. PS6 is rumored what between 5070Ti and 5080, closer to the Ti?

Edit: if 6080 is 2x and has say 24GB+ VRAM, I am going to upgrade as well, no question.

PS6 APU 280mm2? on N3P, that's for the CPU and GPU + SOC with 120-130W power budget for the GPU? While RTX 6080 may use 350-400mm2 die on N3P, 1152GB/s memory bandwidth and 300W TDP.

 

[Boo Who?]

He's a clanker. He is not on our side.

 

[Haint]

They hid them cause sales and revenue in the segment were way down due to high prices and all the capacity being shifted to enterprise cards--which they probably forecast continuing and worsening every quarter. It would be a red mark on the report and point of negative sentiment, so they removed it.

 

[PeteBull]

I don't see a 6080 being almost 2x the current 5080. PS6 is rumored what between 5070Ti and 5080, closer to the Ti?

Edit: if 6080 is 2x and has say 24GB+ VRAM, I am going to upgrade as well, no question.

No idea how big of a gap we gonna see, 5080 is only around 15% faster from 5070ti so indeed from 15% to 100% is super unlikely(around 50% would be probable), but u never know- we getting 3nm process node, so could be some srs performance jump(ofc price jump will be massive nonetheless ).
More vram will be utmost welcome for sure xD

If jump is tiny then hell im sticking to 5080 till 70xx gen(or maybe amd's proposition if it somehow gets better).
5090 is about 75% faster from 5070ti(aka likely ps6 specs), it puts things into perspective that expensive console(some ppl say 700 but im still sticking to my realistic 999 freedom bucks pricetag prediction ) gonna be so much weaker from top of the top card from over 2,5 years ago if it launches holiday 2027 or even over 3,5 years ago if it gets delayed and only launches holidays 2028

 

[Sanepar]

I don't see a 6080 being almost 2x the current 5080. PS6 is rumored what between 5070Ti and 5080, closer to the Ti?

Edit: if 6080 is 2x and has say 24GB+ VRAM, I am going to upgrade as well, no question.

PS6 at best 5070. New Xbox around 5080.

People said PS6 apu doesn't have same Power as 9070 XT so 5070 is a good given

 

[StereoVsn]

PS6 at best 5070. New Xbox around 5080.

People said PS6 apu doesn't have same Power as 9070 XT so 5070 is a good given

9070XT is actually ahead now days of 5070Ti in Raster. The latter is better at RT and path tracing. And even with RT some games (Sony ports and Capcom especially) run better on 9070XT.

HUB just did a video on this very topic. So if PS6 is going to be close to 9070XT, it's going to be very near 5070Ti.

 

[Gp1]

Physics is gone, there's nothing special left about nvidia that AMD can't do.

Besides two small details right now.

One generation behind in Path tracing, half in FSR/DLSS/frame gen

And the mainstream adoption/optimization of Cuda for AI.

And I'm telling that as an AMD owner.

 

[DenchDeckard]

We all know they are forcing us to the cloud. We didn't pick up cloud gaming as fast as these companies hoped, so they are forcing it instead.
Sucks

 

[Darius87]

DGX Spark is widely considered to be a worthless crap.

Purely from GPU / VRAM pespective, it's mostly these things that are widely accepted as go-to choices:

- RTX 3090 (with 2 of them, you can run some strong local models at 48GB VRAM)
- 5090, 4090, 4090 48GB mod (obviously expensive af to get more than 1 card)
- 7900 XTX (using llama.cpp Vulkan instead of CUDA)
- RTX Pro 6000 Blackwell (one 96GB card is enough, super expensive)
- stacking a few RTX 5060 Ti 16GB cards (slower than RTX 3090 by 1.5 to 2 times?)

While all the gamers whine about "AI enthusiasts" stealing their GPUs, those "AI enthusiasts" largely don't give a shit about anything other than a bunch of used RTX 3090 cards (at least when they aren't into image/video generation; for that stuff, 5090 would be quite significantly better).

you can't have two cards and 1 memory pool for ai, that's not how it works.

 

[Sintoid]

So long and thanks for all the fish

 

[Sanepar]

9070XT is actually ahead now days of 5070Ti in Raster. The latter is better at RT and path tracing. And even with RT some games (Sony ports and Capcom especially) run better on 9070XT.

HUB just did a video on this very topic. So if PS6 is going to be close to 9070XT, it's going to be very near 5070Ti.

I think 5070 is a safe bet. Maybe better in Ray tracing and even better with pssa 3.0

 

[BennyBlanco]

It's because people see it only makes up a small part of revenue that they seem to ignore the fact that the small part is still tens of billions of dollars yearly revenue.

Last year was 18 billion on gaming GPUs alone. Still a fraction of datacenter sales, but still a staggering amount of money.

Exactly. They are just operating at an unprecedented scale these days.

 

[SmokSmog]

PS5 Pro 235W TDP 280mm2, RX 6800 performance~, 5070 being 40% faster.
PS6 160W TDP 280mm2?, 10% more raw memory bandwidth over PS5 Pro + GPU on N3P, 5070 performance sounds about right.

 

[Pop]

I find the future for pc gamers

 

[squallbr]

AI killed gaming

 

[NeonDelta]

8GB VRAM is complete shit.

Buy 2 and tape them together, 16gb steam machine pro

 

[Wolzard]

9070XT is actually ahead now days of 5070Ti in Raster. The latter is better at RT and path tracing. And even with RT some games (Sony ports and Capcom especially) run better on 9070XT.

HUB just did a video on this very topic. So if PS6 is going to be close to 9070XT, it's going to be very near 5070Ti.

HUB performs selective benchmarks. It includes several games that have an advantage for AMD, and in this comparison, it pitted a top-of-the-line overclocked 9070 XT against the cheapest 5070 Ti on the market, an MSI Ventus.

 

[dgrdsv]

These click baits are seriously tiresome.
There are no h/w company in the market which reports "gaming" as a separate unit.
AMD hasn't been doing this for years as well as Intel.
But somehow Nvidia changing their reporting division to something which aligns with the overall market is bad cause they don't care about gaming.

 

[Shadowstar39]

Bro, in the States, they are starting to use imminent domain to seize properties destined for data center use.
It's not a wide spread thing atm but it's a growing concern of mine.

They are also talking about arming the data centers for defense or putting them underground, as fear of drones from "domestic terrorists", ie a "peasants revolt". This was noted by the head of black rock Larry Fink, aka own nothing and be happy fame.

Scarry shit and the uni party is all on board. Why?

 

[Wildebeest]

Hope you are all looking forward to streaming slop games with 250ms latency.