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I don't really follow these things much but what happens if Nvidia secures a monopoly? I feel like AMD will not last. There are laws against monopolies, right?

I watched a YouTube video a few months ago that said stuff like the Titan used to be way cheaper in the past. How much more anti-consumer can things become?
 
I don't really follow these things much but what happens if Nvidia secures a monopoly? I feel like AMD will not last. There are laws against monopolies, right?

I watched a YouTube video a few months ago that said stuff like the Titan used to be way cheaper in the past. How much more anti-consumer can things become?

AMD need to gear up. Put in the extra effort.
 
I don't really follow these things much but what happens if Nvidia secures a monopoly? I feel like AMD will not last. There are laws against monopolies, right?

I watched a YouTube video a few months ago that said stuff like the Titan used to be way cheaper in the past. How much more anti-consumer can things become?

Yes. There are laws in the US against a monopoly. But how would the government respond in a situation like this? Designing, engineering, fabricating, testing, producing, and distributing extremely complex silicon is something only few firms will be able to do.

What would be the course of action? Break up Nvidia? If yes, how? Would their GPU division be broken into business and consumer segments as unique and individual companies? That doesn't really change the situation for us.
 
Yes. There are laws in the US against a monopoly. But how would the government respond in a situation like this? Designing, engineering, fabricating, testing, producing, and distributing extremely complex silicon is something only few firms will be able to do.

What would be the course of action? Break up Nvidia? If yes, how? Would their GPU division be broken into business and consumer segments as unique and individual companies? That doesn't really change the situation for us.

Can they give money to AMD to make them stronger?
 
The Nvidia control panel is a piece of shit. Luckily, Nvidia Inspector exists and is an absolutely fantastic, powerful, and fast tool, so you basically never need to open the control panel ;)

Wow, thought it was only shitty for me. That's a load off. Inspector is far superior.
 
Can they give money to AMD to make them stronger?

༼ つ ◕_◕ ༽つ AMD TAKE MY ENERGY ༼ つ ◕_◕ ༽つ (but not really I buy intel/nvidia for obvious reasons)


I'm pretty sure they would fuck up even if they had more money, they alone are to blame for the mess they are in.
 
Can they give money to AMD to make them stronger?

I'm not that knowledgeable on the specifics. To my knowledge, the US government cannot legally execute cash infusions into private firms to prevent a monopoly. What they (US Gov) can do is provide tax breaks and subsidies on various capital needed to perform their business. But even that would require significant buy-in from Congress.

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Our best hope is that, in the event of an AMD bankruptcy, Samsung or Qualcomm step up and purchase their assets and enter the GPU market. They're the only two companies I see standing a chance against Nvidia.
 
1. Manufacture the most powerful GPUs
2. Sell it for twice the price of production costs
3.???
4.Profit

Nvidia is the Maybach or Porsche of the gaming world, their business works so fine because they have no real competition in the high end market and thus can benefit of the sheer gluttony that is modern PC gaming.

Then AMD must be the Fiat of the gaming world.
 
Both Intel and Nvidia worked really hard to be the choice for everyone. With the right PR-people and performance, AMD could turn it around.

Use Radeon with Bethesda and the next Elder Scrolls.
Cooperate with Steam.
Cooperate with component makers, like MSI.
Cater more towards being a 'gamers choice'.
 
I know that AMD has been hurting for a while, but are they actually at risk of having to exist the high-end GPU market? In the near future?

Just how bad is their situation?
 
I'm not that knowledgeable on the specifics. To my knowledge, the US government cannot legally execute cash infusions into private firms to prevent a monopoly. What they (US Gov) can do is provide tax breaks and subsidies on various capital needed to perform their business. But even that would require significant buy-in from Congress.

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Our best hope is that, in the event of an AMD bankruptcy, Samsung or Qualcomm step up and purchase their assets and enter the GPU market. They're the only two companies I see standing a chance against Nvidia.

There was also the Microsoft rumors as well
 
If they did secure an actual monopoly I don't think the government would do a goddamn thing. It's a really niche market to begin with, and when you factor in other graphics processing chips such as Intel's on-board graphics and things like that, those would probably be considered "competition." It'll probably be a hard case to argue in court because it's not like high end gaming GPUs are a necessary service, or that their prices are THAT egregious. They're expensive but it's not like a single GPU is 5000 dollars or something like that (yet...).

I would really like to see Intel enter into the high end gaming chip market, especially because it's a great area to compete given their dominance of the CPU market and the stagnation that is occurring there.
 
Intel is too busy fitting the GPUs next to their CPU, they have no interest in discrete GPUs.

As for monopolies, I agree that US government would be very unlikely to do anything in the case of an AMD bankruptcy and Intel/Nvidia monopolies. In my opinion forum comments of Intel keeping AMD alive on purpose are just crazy ideas coming from people with no grasp of how large corporations operate. My bet is Intel and Nvidia would absolutely love if AMD stopped existing.

Just how bad is their situation?

As far as I'm aware, they have a few years until their billion dollar debts come into play, and potentially they might be able to pay those by taking some more, if their upcoming product lines are successful enough. The real problem is cash the company needs to operate day to day. That's why AMD has sold most of its physical assets like factories and HQ building. If they don't get cash infusions from outside or profits any time soon, it might not take until those large debts need to be paid before AMD can't operate anymore. To me it looks like this year is going to be very difficult for AMD financially, considering Zen isn't coming until the end of the year at best, and Polaris is only a couple of GPUs that'll likely initially be just a drop in a bucket in terms of revenue and profits.
 
As far as I'm aware, they have a few years until their billion dollar debts come into play, and potentially they might be able to pay those by taking some more, if their upcoming product lines are successful enough. The real problem is cash the company needs to operate day to day. That's why AMD has sold most of its physical assets like factories and HQ building. If they don't get cash infusions from outside or profits any time soon, it might not take until those large debts need to be paid before AMD can't operate anymore. To me it looks like this year is going to be very difficult for AMD financially, considering Zen isn't coming until the end of the year at best, and Polaris is only a couple of GPUs that'll likely initially be just a drop in a bucket in terms of revenue and profits.

That... actually sounds pretty darn bad. :/

I would really like to see Intel enter into the high end gaming chip market, especially because it's a great area to compete given their dominance of the CPU market and the stagnation that is occurring there.

Why hasn't Intel entered the GPU market? It seems like a logical place for them to go. I know that they want to push the integrated graphics on their CPU's, and to Intel's credit their graphics have gotten (and continue to get) a lot better. But integrated graphics are never going to be competitive with actual dedicated GPU's, and Intel must know that.
 
Why hasn't Intel entered the GPU market? It seems like a logical place for them to go. I know that they want to push the integrated graphics on their CPU's, and to Intel's credit their graphics have gotten (and continue to get) a lot better. But integrated graphics are never going to be competitive with actual dedicated GPU's, and Intel must know that.

I've also been wondering that. Especially in light of the fact that they are starting to come up against a wall in terms of CPU power - their priority now is on lower energy rather than upping power - there was a recent thread about it.

I think Intel makes great quality products and they definitely have the chops to be competitive against Nvidia, certainly more so than AMD at least.
 
The only ATI card I've owned is the Radeon x800 Pro back in the day and it was a fantastic card to be honest, but I've always preferred & used nvidia since then. In fact nvidia's always been one of my favorite tech companies.

However, if AMD hired me and I was given the task of turning the graphics part of the company around, here are 9 things I would do:

1. Bring back the ATI name. Even if AMD is the overall company name, I would have ATI be a sub-section within the company and start back calling it the ATI Radeon. This would accomplish two things:
1a. It tells people that we're serious about turning things around and we're planning to compete on a even level like we did back in the day.
1b. It gets people's nostalgia working and may help to bring some people back over to the red side (a few, but mainly point #1a applies).

2. I'd focus on having my top card be faster then nvidia's top card and if they trade blows then I'd make sure I was $100 less expensive. For the 2nd fastest card, I'd focus on value for the customer with a great bang for the buck price like the GTX 970 did. I've also noticed over the years that amd cards tend to have more vram then their nvidia equivalents, so I'd continue to do this. No more 4gb on our top card, HBM or no HBM.

3. I'd make sure that we work with developers to have game-ready drivers on day 1, along with crossfire support. We'd also focus on improving the experience that people have with crossfire to have a smoother and stutter free experience, along with trying maximize the performance boost that each additional cards adds. We would also make efforts to improve our triple monitor support.

4. I'd work with a pilot company like Sony or Samsung and have their TV's start integrating freesync capabilites. Then when Sony or MS started developing the PS5 & XB2, I'd make sure that I was again their choice of APU supplier and that the new consoles would support freesync as well. Consumers would love it because their TVs would already have the capability by the time the consoles launched and PC gamers with our cards could even hook their PC up the TV for a tear-free experience. In particular I'd try to work with Sony's TV division first and then later try to have my APU's in their PS5 support freesync as well.

5. I would start a loyalty program. Come up with a clever marketing slogan about "being Red" and allow users to create a myRadeon account on our website. Then allow users to register their Radeon cards and add the serial number to their account. All members who register at least 1 card would be eligible for 10% off all Steam purchases for 1 year from when their first card was registered. We'd also relaunch the forums to be called myRadeon forums with a new red-inspired visual theme and do what we can to have it be more community friendly, like having vendors do occasional giveaways and providing support along with all the other usual forum sections and discussions.

6. Next we need to focus on improving our advertising. Remember how some Nintendo Gamecubes had that little sticker in the bottom right corner on the front of the console that said "Graphics by ATI"?
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We need to bring that back. I want people to know that our tech is everywhere and I'd want our logo once again featured somewhere on the front or even on the back of the next gen consoles, and for sure on the box's front somewhere. I know we're strapped for cash but we also need to have the occasional commercial on TV with a clever campaign like Intel has been doing, to let people know that we're still out there & relevant. As part of our campaign we also need to get people thinking that Radeons provide the premier 4K PC experience. Remember when Dodge had the marketing campaign where they would say "That thing got a Hemi?" In our commercials we need to have someone say "Nice, you've got a 4k monitor. Is that powered by a Radeon?"

7. We need to continue to innovate on the open-source front. Freesync is good, mantle was good, but we need to think about the next big thing.

8. We need to implement a stringent QA process to completely eliminate coil whine and then advertise to people that when you buy ATI you don't have to worry about this. The silent PC / home theater crowd would love us and users in general would love not having to worry about this.

9. Nvidia's Titan-style coolers that began with the GTX 690 have been doing great for them. They deliver solid performance, they have the cool window on top where you can see the alumim fins underneath, and they have the Geforce GTX logo lighting up the side in green. We've designed those AIO coolers for the Fury series with Radeon on the side, but our coolers don't have that same visual wow factor that theirs do. To address this, I would revise the AIO cooler so that the top of the waterblock on the card is see-through, to expose the fins in the waterblock. Then also parter with Noctua to use their fans (albeit in black) in order to improve the performance/noise ratio and also work on eliminating the pump noise as much as possible. I know using Noctua's may raise the price a few dollars but this is for a premium product and efficient cooling goes a long way towards keeping temps down, noise down, and reliability up. There's more to a good experience than performance alone and we want to demonstrate this with quality.
 
Amd have always had shockingly shit drivers and its something that seriously makes me not want to go back. Everyone is like 4 x harder to do on amd then nvidia. Or dam well seems like it
 
Amd have always had shockingly shit drivers and its something that seriously makes me not want to go back. Everyone is like 4 x harder to do on amd then nvidia. Or dam well seems like it

I've found for the last 12 months, on the stability front at least AMD has been better than nVidia. For instance, My AMD rig handled Windows 10 straight off the bat much better than my constantly CTD'ing 970.
 
Ok, here are a few reasons to buy an Nvidia GPU over a similar AMD GPU even if the latter is better in a pure FPS/$ metric:
  • Better OpenGL support
  • Better Linux drivers
  • Lower CPU overhead in DX9 and DX11
  • Driver-based HBAO+ injection and wider support for driver-based SGSSAA injection
  • Shadowplay, which has more solid support for e.g. desktop shadow capture than AMD's equivalent
  • G-sync, which has its own list of advantages over freesync, e.g. windowed mode support
  • CUDA support for professional applications
  • PhysX support
  • More consistent frametime results in memory-limited situations
  • DSR with its much broader range of supported downsampling resolutions
  • 3D Vision
Now, each of those will be of different importance to different people, and someone may well and rightfully say they don't care about any of them - or not sufficiently to influence their purchase over raw performance potential - but they are all factual (I can provide links for any which are not self-evident) and someone surely cares about each. The common supposition that people who buy Nvidia GPUs are invariably blinded by fanboism really grates me, since I believe that my purchasing decisions in hardware are quite well-considered.

Good points, and thanks for sharing. I would also guess that Nvidia's Iray support with DAZ would also tip the scales in its favor, if you're into 3d rendering.
 
Also to add to Durante point of DX11 overhead

In worst cases it can look like this:
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