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Nvidia Talks OpenGL Offering Massive CPU Performance Boost Via Modern OpenGL
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jim-jam bongs
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Sony also alluded to their wrapper APIs for the PS4 being similar to existing PC APIs, so I'd assume that they were referring to OpenGL there. If you want to target a range of platforms then it's the best choice, hopefully the tools and support will catch up now that it's becoming so widely used.
Sounds really easy, then all they would need to do would be a main gpu supplier of a multi million selling console so developers are using your software by default to make it a no brainer to use it.
Easy
Yeah, tools are great and much needed, but what really makes me positive about OpenGL's future is that it's the only choice on mobile/tablets.
LOL. Thanks for putting things in perspective.
Just like the initial Freesync announcement there is going to be a lot of details Nvidia is leaving out. OpenGL may have a command that reduces draw calls like Mantle but that by itself isn't the only reason Mantle has devs excited.
Entryhazard
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This was indeed because microsoft moneyhatted everyone in the wake of those standards.
Now developers are too much used to DirectX to switch easily to OpenGL
Dictator93
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Not exxactly... Open GL kinda sucked really hard for a long time.
jim-jam bongs
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They probably aren't going to outright give them money, but they could lower the royalty rates on games using their API.
Exactly. Lower their cut from 30% to 25% on all game sales that have a SteamOS version for a certain period. Or say that the first $X of sales after the release of a SteamOS version have no Valve cut.
Have You heard about Physx? Nope? Check how many games supported it.
BrokenIcarus
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Minor problems, though when you can save a huge amount of time by not supporting two graphics apis.
I know several developers from college that use OpenGL on Windows without a hitch.
Wow, that wasn't even on purpose. Windows is so irrelevant on mobile that I honestly forgot it existed
Wow, that wasn't even on purpose. Windows is so irrelevant on mobile that I honestly forgot it existed
Which sucks i think, to be honest. I would love to have in future real laptop in my pocket with full backward compatibility
Entryhazard
Banned
Does WP not support OpenGL?
Pretty sure it's DirectX
Entryhazard
Banned
Usually on Windows you can run applications that use OpenGL, given that like DirectX those libraries operate directly on the GPU
The difference is that in fact while DirectX works only on Windows (and consoles the last gen), OpenGL is available for every platform.
jim-jam bongs
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If WP supports DX then OpenGL isn't the only choice on phones, even if it does support OpenGL too. It was a joke about how everyone forgets WP.
Between Valve, Mobile and Web - OpenGL will likely be shoved down everyone's throat before long. I still feel it's the more obtuse of the two choices, but it's winning out with sheer inertia.Durante said:
Then again the proliferation of rendering middleware on all cost-levels is making API wars less relevant each day.
Sentenza
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Well, it's also true that DX sucked far more at first (everyone who was a PC gamer back then probably remembers Carmack's rant about it) but MS forced it into popularity with a massive amount of moneyhatting.
blu
Wants the largest console games publisher to avoid Nintendo's platforms.
What about those us who had to code on it? Hint: dx prior to 7, even 8, was the abomination from hell.
I actually agree that it may be slightly more obtuse -- though it's much better now (if you ignore deprecated features) than it was, and even better in ES which has less legacy cruft -- but it's also a lot more flexible due to the extension mechanism.
And honestly, this is one case where I'd be fine with the less technically sound option "winning". The graphics API is too important a thing to be proprietary, particularly for anyone interested in the long-term preservation aspect of this hobby.
8 wasn't that bad in my opinion, but yeah, prior to that...
This is all kinds of untrue. OpenGL and DirectX require a GPU driver. OpenGL and OpenGL ES are not supported under Windows Phone 8, which is what the poster you replied to was referring to.
Dictator93
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True that. I was thinking mainly from like 2003 till now. Should have typed that.
There's a bunch of games on Steam that have OSX ports but no Linux ports, because they are often ported using a 3rd party middleware for porting DirectX games to OSX.
The name escapes me, but it plugs directly into the DirectX API and other Win32 APIs, so most of the source code works as-is without the need to rewrite the game to OpenGL. I'm certain many of those games would never get an OSX port if such option didn't exist.
I'm not talking about "using". I'm talking about broad distribution. If your game is niche and hardcore, you're safe because your audience most likely updates their video drivers regularly and are more likely to have proper OpenGL support. If you're targeting casuals and kids, then you need to do your utmost to make sure your game runs out-of-the box in as many situations as possible, and in Windows it means using vanilla DirectX 9.