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Nvidia Volta is 16nm, expected in May 2017

_woLf said:
Sticking with my 970 until HBM2 comes along. That will slaughter anything out these days.
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HBM2 alone won't "slaughter" anything. A GPU first needs to be fast enough to actually require more bandwidth than can be provided by conventional memory technology.

I see this sentiment a lot, but people need to realize that while HBM has significant advantages as a memory technology, memory isn't what's doing the computations.
 
Durante said:
HBM2 alone won't "slaughter" anything. A GPU first needs to be fast enough to actually require more bandwidth than can be provided by conventional memory technology.

I see this sentiment a lot, but people need to realize that while HBM has significant advantages as a memory technology, memory isn't what's doing the computations.
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I'm currently rocking a GTX 670, would you recommend jumping to a GTX 1070 now? or wait till May 2017?
 
Durante said:
Well, I am very inclined to believe the 16nm part of that.

May 2017 is around the earliest possible I can imagine for HPC Volta GPUs.
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I thought the 16nm part was essentially common knowledge, at least among techies. Are there seriously people who thought that it would be something else? I'm expecting GPUs to still be on 16nm until at least 2019, most likely 2022.
 
MuchoMalo said:
I thought the 16nm part was essentially common knowledge, at least among techies. Are there seriously people who thought that it would be something else? I'm expecting GPUs to still be on 16nm until at least 2019, most likely 2022.
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TSMC's 10nm FinFET node should be suitable for GPU production in 2018 I think. And we already know that it will be used for SoC production in 2017.
 
Durante said:
HBM2 alone won't "slaughter" anything. A GPU first needs to be fast enough to actually require more bandwidth than can be provided by conventional memory technology.

I see this sentiment a lot, but people need to realize that while HBM has significant advantages as a memory technology, memory isn't what's doing the computations.
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HBM2 will also greatly reduce DRAM power consumption, which can either be used toward reducing overall power consumption or they could invest in increasing clockspeeds.

MuchoMalo said:
I thought the 16nm part was essentially common knowledge, at least among techies. Are there seriously people who thought that it would be something else? I'm expecting GPUs to still be on 16nm until at least 2019, most likely 2022.
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LOL.

Expect to see 10nm in 2018. There were already some tape-outs in H1/16.
 
Ostinatto said:
I'm currently rocking a GTX 670, would you recommend jumping to a GTX 1070 now? or wait till May 2017?
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That's basically the same question as with every PC upgrade. If you want more performance now (and can afford it) then upgrade, if not then don't ;)

E-Cat said:
HBM2 will also greatly reduce DRAM power consumption, which can either be used toward reducing overall power consumption or they could invest in increasing clockspeeds.
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I don't think DRAM power consumption (on desktop cards, which I think is the topic here) is such a concern that mitigating it will bring the transformative performance improvements which would be necessary to "slaughter anything".

What's necessary for that are more (and more efficient) transistors in the GPU.
 
Ostinatto said:
I'm currently rocking a GTX 670, would you recommend jumping to a GTX 1070 now? or wait till May 2017?
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Considering this is just a rumor and it seems like a lot of people even in this thread are doubting it I'd say jump now.
I doubt we'll see it until May 2018 tbh
 
Durante said:
I don't think DRAM power consumption (on desktop cards, which I think is the topic here) is such a concern that mitigating it will bring the transformative performance improvements which would be necessary to "slaughter anything".

What's necessary for that are more (and more efficient) transistors in the GPU.
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R9 290X spends 15-20% of its 250W power budget on DRAM, or roughly 38-50W of power on an absolute basis. HBM2 could cut that by 20W+. The net power gain will certainly amount to something, if not "slaughter" a thing.
 
I wonder if they'll pull a Maxwell and trickle out the cards starting from the bottom up. That's the only way I can see a May 2017 timeline actually happen.
 
Arkanius said:
But will it Async Compute the right way? /s
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How about a shocking truth while we're at it? Here it is: even AMD h/w doesn't support concurrent compute execution on the SP level. Each SIMD can run only one warp/wavefront each cycle meaning that it's either graphics or compute and the mixed load which is in flight "concurrently" on a CU is being actually processed in a serial fashion. Shocking, eh? 8)

adamantypants said:
I wonder if they'll pull a Maxwell and trickle out the cards starting from the bottom up. That's the only way I can see a May 2017 timeline actually happen.
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May is GTC, it's 100% GV100, the HPC chip. But I don't see anything impossible in GV104 and others being released as well between May and Dec.
 
AP90 said:
Sweet.. First gotta upgrade from my old beast the 2600k (oc'ed to 4.5ghz), then go from there...

But since I'm recently married and don't own a house yet buying said house is one of my top priorities with my spouse.

But, by the time I do rebuild now, the power of the tech will be a tremendous jump!
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Dude get a house before you think about uber expensive graphics cards. It'll make you happier in the long run trust me :p
 
May 2017? That's close to March...could we see a GV100 debut in NX???? /s :P

I'm surprised that this could already be happening, since I thought it was going to be 2018 with next year being GP102. I'm not aware of what Kepler to Maxwell looked like, so I guess I'll do some research to see how things changed between the generations. Interesting that Vega might have to compete with both Pascal and Volta. I always figured it was going to be Navi vs. Volta in 2018.

I was thinking of getting a 1060 early next year, but I don't think this could or should affect my plans.
 
Post Maxwell, Nvidia has changed its roadmap every year at GPU Technology Conference, except no roadmap update this year.

GTC 2013: Kepler - Maxwell - Volta
GTC 2014: Kepler - Maxwell - Pascal
GTC 2015: Kepler - Maxwell - Pascal - Volta

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Volta was apparently going to be introduced quickly after Pascal, for the HPC market for 2017, followed by 2018 for consumer cards. But now that we have a nearly full lineup of Pascal gaming cards without stacked memory / HBM2, it seems Volta cards for gaming will hit sooner. That said, it doesn't mean much because Nvidia is always shifty with their roadmaps and they push features and tech intended for one GPU architecture over to the next gen..
 
E-Cat said:
HBM2 will also greatly reduce DRAM power consumption, which can either be used toward reducing overall power consumption or they could invest in increasing clockspeeds.

LOL.

Expect to see 10nm in 2018. There were already some tape-outs in H1/16.
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I laughed at people saying that GPUs would be on 28nm until 2015, too. Now look what happened.
 
Zojirushi said:
New GPUs come out every year.

Speaking of which, does this thread officially mark the transition from "Wait for Pascal" to "Wait for Volta!"?
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The whole logic of waiting is pretty stupid to be honest. PC components are not consoles where you buy one and expect them to last for years(hell, even this is changing with Scorpio and Neo). You buy a piece of hardware fully knowing that it will be already obsolete or soon to be obsolete. You buy a piece of hardware because you are no longer satisfied with what you got, or that it doesn't meet the performance target you need.

Don't upgrade when you don't need to, and be smart about what you buy.
 
Maxwell lasted pretty long actually - The 750 Ti came out February 2014 then the Maxwell 2 cards in late 2014. Maybe Volta gets pushed to late 2017 or later.
 
GameAddict411 said:
The whole logic of waiting is pretty stupid to be honest. PC components are not consoles where you buy one and expect them to last for years(hell, even this is changing with Scorpio and Neo). You buy a piece of hardware fully knowing that it will be already obsolete or soon to be obsolete. You buy a piece of hardware because you are no longer satisfied with what you got, or that it doesn't meet the performance target you need.

Don't upgrade when you don't need to, and be smart about what you buy.
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This guy knows what's up. Once I can't hit 1080p/30FPS on medium settings anymore I'll upgrade my GTX 960.
 
Memorabilia said:
This would obsolete the 1080 Ti instantly. Not sure a 2017 Volta launch makes sense.
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So you expect them to release a single card, for the entirety of 2017?

Silly.
PnCIa said:
Remember people...the release timeframe is just a rumor.
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Not even a rumor. The article is a guy saying, "would that be cool, IF..."

He has zero information, and doesn't phrase it otherwise.
 
they'll have founder's founder edition

where u get super premium (tm) materials by paying double the extra on MSRP to get it earlier than the founder's edition

oops, dont forget to have 20 - 30% performance incrase, but jack up the prices to the next tier.

hire me n|VIDIA
 
Wait, so... Volta would be 1100 series? It won't be available for consumer PCs in 2017, right? That seems so soon, considering 1000 series just came out.
 
I upgraded from the 660GTX to the 1060GTX by waiting for a down size so I'll only upgrade when 10nm GPU's are out. Can't see how Volta will improve performance significantly on 16nm.
 
I'm honestly just waiting for these and or HBM2 in general, my 980ti is still pretty set. Probably get the 1180 equivalent instead of another ti, but I don't really see may for the release next year, too soon but who knows.
 
blastprocessor said:
I upgraded from the 660GTX to the 1060GTX by waiting for a down size so I'll only upgrade when 10nm GPU's are out. Can't see how Volta will improve performance significantly on 16nm.
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Have you forgotten Kepler to Maxwell already? Huge jump in efficiency and a very decent performance jump.
 
Well, that's way sooner than I thought

Cannonlake will be out just a few months around that time too right?
 
I think we'll see a Pascal based 1100 series before seeing Volta. I don't think that will hit consumer markets until Apr-Jun 2018.
 
Will be perfect time to upgrade the 980Ti then. Awesome news.



edit: awwww, why'd Dennis get banned? Hopefully not too long, Watchdogs 2 is coming out soon.
 
Darryl M R said:
This won't be for your average consumer though right? More like in a Tesla or something?
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Who knows, but the Xbox Scorpio is launching holiday 2017 so it will likely have hmb2 memory. I can't imagine Nvidia would let that happen without releasing Its own HMB2 GPU
 
Early 2017? Don't see it happening on the consumer cards since even the latest titan doesn't have HBM2. In addition, they wouldn't replace their 1070/1080 that quick. Q4 2017 at the earliest
 
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