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[LordOfChaos]

Not new news, but I think it was widely misinterpreted. This then seems competitive with consoles.

http://anandtech.com/show/9046/nvidia-grid-game-streaming-service-to-become-commercial-service

Does 100ms for consoles to send the signal to TVs sound right, or is that Nvidia Nvidia'ing? It's 33/16ms between frames, but not necessarily end to end to the TV from your fingers fingering.

Curious how they can control network latency like that, it's the biggest thing they shaved. If I have an __ latency connection, how could they go lower than that?

Also Anandtechs other article on the Shield:
http://anandtech.com/show/9047/nvid...nsole-tegra-x1-android-tv-box-shipping-in-may

 

[Nzyme32]

Not new news, but I think it was widely misinterpreted. This then seems competitive with consoles.

http://anandtech.com/show/9046/nvidia-grid-game-streaming-service-to-become-commercial-service

Does 100ms for consoles to send the signal to TVs sound right, or is that Nvidia Nvidia'ing? It's 33/16ms between frames, but not necessarily end to end to the TV.

I did not know Gaikai was using Nvidia Grid. Still not keen on the idea but it does seem like a good step up from other solutions.

 

[Dictator93]

THAT EXPLAINS EVRYTHING

Spoiler

GIRL CHAN IN PARADISE!

 

[LordOfChaos]

I did not know Gaikai was using Nvidia Grid. Still not keen on the idea but it does seem like a good step up from other solutions.

I didn't either, but it makes sense for the PS3 part with Nvidia GPUs. Just not using the newer specialized GPUs Grid uses for everything else, because the PS3 servers use literal RSX and Cell chips.

http://www.nvidia.ca/content/PDF/NVIDIA-GeForce-Grid-Gaikai-Case-Study-HR.pdf

 

[bomblord1]

Why am I thinking that 100ms is incredibly excessive for an estimated time for processing?

Why am I also thinking 60ms is incredibly excessive for an estimated time it takes a TV to process an image in gaming?

Finally, why am I thinking that it's impossible to have 30ms of latency as an average for internet connection without having dedicated servers every few thousand miles?

 

[mr stroke]

Not too bad considering everything that's going on. I am in for one as soon as it comes out. $200 is decent for what it does

 

[PumpkinSpice]

Still too high for me.

How are they getting network latency that low? Unless they found a better way to route packets I don't see how they are able to do that.

 

[mcrommert]

Why am I thinking that 100ms is incredibly excessive for an estimated time for processing?

Why am I also thinking 60ms is incredibly excessive for an estimated time it takes a TV to process an image in gaming?

Finally, why am I thinking that it's impossible to have 30ms of latency for your internet connection without having dedicated servers every few thousand miles?

I dunno...you don't except nvidia's bullshit? My tv's latency is 16ms

 

[tuxfool]

Not too bad considering everything that's going on. I am in for one as soon as it comes out. $200 is decent for what it does

Or you can just get a console. If you have one already then why would you need this?

I'm fairly certain both consoles will be able to output 4k video when the time comes. Other than that the shield does nothing all that amazing.

 

[Durante]

Great, now I can get console latency without having control over my games!

Spoiler

Why am I thinking that 100ms is incredibly excessive for an estimated time for processing?

It isn't really for 30 FPS games, look at the data we have.

Why am I also thinking 60ms is incredibly excessive for an estimated time it takes a TV to process an image in gaming?

It isn't really for the average TV, they are terrible.

Finally, why am I thinking that it's impossible to have 30ms of latency for your internet connection without having dedicated servers every few thousand miles?

Because it is.

 

[FLAguy954]

That is still WAY slower than the Wii U's tablet streaming. I am not impressed.

 

[tuxfool]

That is still WAY slower than the Wii U's tablet streaming. I am not impressed.

The Wii U tablet streaming is a point to point connection without the whole of the internet in the way.

 

[UnrealEck]

That is still WAY slower than the Wii U's tablet streaming. I am not impressed.

Is the Wii-U streaming from hundreds of miles away or from hundreds of feet away at most?

 

[Haint]

LOL @ 30ms network latency*

*Assuming you live next door to The Grid.

 

[gofreak]

I did not know Gaikai was using Nvidia Grid. Still not keen on the idea but it does seem like a good step up from other solutions.

This is a very old slide, from back when Gaikai was independent and serving PC demos.

 

[LordOfChaos]

Yeah, the network part threw me the most, how could they possibly control that? If I have a 60ms connection, how could Grid possibly be lower than that for two way communication? It's where their biggest savings came from, but it's a factor that doesn't seem to be in their control..

 

[Falk]

1/6th of a second seems like a ridiculously high end-to-end number for shit like rhythm games. You'd be able to tell.

edit: w.r.t what they're saying consoles have. Obviously streaming is going to be in that ballpark.

 

[PumpkinSpice]

Yeah, the network part threw me the most, how could they possibly control that? If I have a 60ms connection, how could Grid possibly be lower than that for two way communication? It's where their biggest savings came from, but it's a factor that doesn't seem to be in their control..

One thing they could do (I still think its BS, but w/e) is partner with some ISPs and stick a bunch of servers inside the ISP firewall in various server rooms they own. This would dramatically reduce latency.

 

[thehillissilent]

I did not know Gaikai was using Nvidia Grid. Still not keen on the idea but it does seem like a good step up from other solutions.

No, that was before Gaikai was brought by Sony. That graph is really old. Sony is using custom PS3s cards in a server. There are NOT using Nvidia grid.

EDIT: Beaten

 

[endtropy]

I guess outside of Try Before You Buy and "All You Can Eat" subscription style services where you never actually own anything, Ive never understand the attraction to these services.

 

[thehillissilent]

I guess outside of Try Before You Buy and "All You Can Eat" subscription style services where you never actually own anything, Ive never understand the attraction to these services.

The Power of teh cloud is awesome because PR told us this.

 

[DieH@rd]

They are promoting that console users use TVs with 66ms of latency.

 

[FinKL]

I've learned I can't enjoy gaming unless the responsiveness is there. It just doesn't feel right to me. Something about that button to immediate on screen action that makes gaming feel good. 150ms with the TV is still too much considering I've played on TVs where the input lag has been ~100ms and it just did not work for me.