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Freestyler said:
So wait - George Bush is allowed to be compared with a monkey, but Obama's not, simply because Obama is black?

Well if that isn't a terrible example of reverse racism…
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Give your head a shake. Dskillz laid it out for you already.
 
Freestyler said:
So wait - George Bush is allowed to be compared with a monkey, but Obama's not, simply because Obama is black?

Well if that isn't a terrible example of reverse racism…
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Reverse racism? Shut the fuck up, PLEASE. Would it be racist to say a White person has squinty eyes? Nope, but that very same comment gains racist undertones when aimed at an Asian. Would it be racist to have a shirt with a picture of a Watermelon and Hillary Clinton's name under it? Not really, but that very same scenario would be considered racist if you swapped Hillary's name for Obama. Is that reverse racism?
 
Enron said:
I mean, in the middle of the city.....OF MARIETTA. Marietta's pretty fucking huge. To illustrate my point that this is not the middle of redneck nowhere.

All those college kids out stumping for Obama? Know where they come from? Places like Cobb County. It's full of educated, middle-class-to-richie-rich white people.
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Oh no doubt, it's not hicksville. But as a former ITP actual downtown living Atlanta snob, I can't sanction people thinking Marietta = Atlanta.

Heh, good point on the kids. Part of America turning blue this fall, my friend! I know you're gonna dig it.
 
Triumph said:
Oh no doubt, it's not hicksville. But as a former ITP actual downtown living Atlanta snob, I can't sanction people thinking Marietta = Atlanta.

Heh, good point on the kids. Part of America turning blue this fall, my friend! I know you're gonna dig it.
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Hah! in your dreams. Damn kids always go blue when they are in school. Once they get out and get beat down by the real world, they'll become their parents!

And yeah, i dont want anyone thinking marietta = atlanta either. FUCK THE OTP!
 
harSon said:
You believing that we live in a fantastical racist-free utopia?

Well I never...
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Some of us choose to live lives that don't involve getting upset over every ignorant/insensitive thing that someone else does. You should try it.

I'm well aware that there are racists out there. Your stance on affirmative action was all I needed to confirm that.
 
Enron said:
Hah! in your dreams. Damn kids always go blue when they are in school. Once they get out and get beat down by the real world, they'll become their parents!

And yeah, i dont want anyone thinking marietta = atlanta either. FUCK THE OTP!
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You wish buddy! Country is drifting to the left, certainly on social issues and climate change. And the GOP has proven themselves completely incapable of being responsible with the pursestrings, so why vote for them? Hell, we've got Tamanon on our side this cycle. Tamanon.
 
WickedAngel said:
Some of us choose to live lives that don't involve getting upset over every ignorant/insensitive thing that someone else does. You should try it.
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I prefer to not ignore reality. It's worked fairly well so far, I'm successful and happy :)

WickedAngel said:
Some of us choose to live lives that don't involve getting upset over every ignorant/insensitive thing that someone else does. You should try it.

I'm well aware that there are racists out there. Your stance on affirmative action was all I needed to confirm that.
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Considering I'm in favor of a socio-economic revision, I guess that makes you a fellow racist? Welcome to the club!
 
alr1ghtstart said:
Blacks have had a large history of being compared to monkeys by racist people. Bush (a white man) has not. It's very clear.
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You're right, it's perfectly ok to call Bush a subhuman animal because he's white.
 
harSon said:
I prefer to not ignore reality. It's worked fairly well so far, I'm successful and happy :)
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No you aren't! Remember, conservatives are the happy ones! The more liberal are the ones that are in despair!
 
harSon said:
I prefer to not ignore reality. It's worked fairly well so far, I'm successful and happy :)
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Actually, everything you say and do seems contrary to this statement. Whenever race comes up as an issue, you get personal.
 
Gaborn said:
You're right, it's perfectly ok to call Bush a subhuman animal because he's white.
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Exactly the point I was trying to get across. Apparently us white folk aren't entitled to racial protection/dignity because we've "never endured any hardship".
 
Gaborn said:
You're right, it's perfectly ok to call Bush a subhuman animal because he's white.
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You know, the pictures really speak for themselves. Plus I think it's more of an intelligence thing, no one has come out and called him subhuman- he's obviously human, so far as I know.
 
Gaborn said:
You're right, it's perfectly ok to call Bush a subhuman animal because he's white.
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no, one was being racial. one was showing Bush making monkey-like facial expressions, perhaps a knock on his intelligence?
 
Triumph said:
You know, the pictures really speak for themselves. Plus I think it's more of an intelligence thing, no one has come out and called him subhuman- he's obviously human, so far as I know.
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Same difference. Hell, the website is freakin NAMED "Bush or Chimp?" again, why is it ok to compare Bush but not ok to make the comparison to any other human being? I think both examples are crass, it's not appropriate to refer to any human being comparatively as a chimpanzee.
 
Gaborn said:
Same difference. Hell, the website is freakin NAMED "Bush or Chimp?" again, why is it ok to compare Bush but not ok to make the comparison to any other human being? I think both examples are crass, it's not appropriate to refer to any human being comparatively as a chimpanzee.
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The fact that you find these two scenarios comparable is quite disturbing.
 
Gaborn said:
Same difference. Hell, the website is freakin NAMED "Bush or Chimp?" again, why is it ok to compare Bush but not ok to make the comparison to any other human being? I think both examples are crass, it's not appropriate to refer to any human being comparatively as a chimpanzee.
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Because one is fucking racism, you dork. DUH. When you compare Bush to a chimp, you're comparing his intelligence or what have you to that of a chimp. When you compare Obama, you're engaging in a negative stereotype that's HUNDREDS OF YEARS OLD. Should I draw you a fucking diagram in mspaint or are you that fucking obtuse?
 
harSon said:
The fact that you find these two scenarios comparable is quite disturbing.
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Sorry, but being compared to a sub human life form is wrong whether you're Bush or Obama or even Hillary. Maybe you think it's ok to make that comparison some of the time, but to me it's simply an insult every time no matter who it's directed against, and it has very much the same effect, to make someone appear sub human. I don't care if there is more racial history calling blacks "monkeys" as a insult to their intellect and to make them seem sub human, that doesn't make it ok to do the same to other people, because it's wrong for the same reason THAT was wrong.
 
WickedAngel said:
Someone who is happy wouldn't carry a chip on their shoulder like that.
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So true happiness is only achieved through being a realist? And to think, I've been having false feelings all this time :(
 
Gaborn said:
Sorry, but being compared to a sub human life form is wrong whether you're Bush or Obama or even Hillary. Maybe you think it's ok to make that comparison some of the time, but to me it's simply an insult every time no matter who it's directed against, and it has very much the same effect, to make someone appear sub human. I don't care if there is more racial history calling blacks "monkeys" as a insult to their intellect and to make them seem sub human, that doesn't make it ok to do the same to other people, because it's wrong for the same reason THAT was wrong.
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Not that your embracing of Libertopianism wasn't a good indicator, but you're not playing with a full fucking deck I don't think.
 
this thread has devolved just as i thought it would.

thank god for Matt Ryan.

Gaborn: so would you find no difference in a white person calling a black person a 'n*gger' and a 'loser', since both are attempts to insult and demean?
 
WickedAngel said:
Overly heightened racial sensitivity and GAF?

Well I never...
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In my experience GAF is generally the exact opposite, ultra quick to dismiss any racial sensitivity as ridiculous and overly PC (See for example the whole Resident Evil 5 debacle)
 
icarus-daedelus said:
:lol And yet you get all upset at a "what white people like" website.

Gotta be PC when it concerns white people, I suppose...
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:lol :lol Didn't he also get upset about the commerical claiming that blacks were physically superior?
 
effzee said:
the lengths some ppl go to try to justify or claim that this had no racial intent is ridiculous.
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It's always sad seeing some (not all) white people obsessed with exposing "black racist contradictions" and yearning to feel prejudice/racism themselves
 
scorcho said:
Gaborn: so would you find no difference in a white person calling a black person a 'n*gger' and a 'loser', since both are attempts to insult and demean?
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No, because the N word has a specific racial connotation. Comparing someone to a monkey is an insult to any human, and for the same reason, even if one particular group was more often referred to as a monkey.
 
Gaborn said:
No, because the N word has a specific racial connotation. Comparing someone to a monkey is an insult to any human, and for the same reason, even if one particular group was more often referred to as a monkey.
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comparing a black person to a monkey doesn't have a racial connotation?

i've also heard white people call other white people nigger (NYC is fun like that), as well as Latinos, Asians, etc. - am i to take it that the word is now sufficiently desensitized?
 
Gaborn said:
No, because the N word has a specific racial connotation. Comparing someone to a monkey is an insult to any human, and for the same reason, even if one particular group was more often referred to as a monkey.
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Right, so you're saying that there's no history of negatively comparing black people to monkeys?

For something that hits closer to home, would you rather I categorize you ass "queer" or "odd", Gaborn?
 
scorcho said:
comparing a black person to a monkey doesn't have a racial connotation?

i've also heard white people call other white people nigger (NYC is fun like that), as well as Latinos, Asians, etc. - am i to take it that the word is now sufficiently desensitized?
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Sure it has a racial connotation historically, but it's also a generic insult to any other human being. Is it marginally worse to refer to Obama that way? sure, if that helps you sleep at night. That doesn't mean it's not insulting at all to dehumanize Bush in the same way, because the same exact reason that calling Obama a "monkey" (that it is an inherently dehumanizing term) applies to Bush (because it's not ok to dehumanize him either, even if whites were not historically called "monkeys").

Triumph - Obviously I'd say that "queer" has a specific cultural connotation unique to gays (and people that are accused of being gay). I'd say that calling any human regardless of skin color a "monkey" is inappropriate, yes/no?
 
Triumph said:
For something that hits closer to home, would you rather I categorize you ass "queer" or "odd", Gaborn?
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Oooh, ask me, ask me! I prefer Queer personally - it's a word that gays (in my country at least) have embraced - it holds no offence whatsoever.
 
the more this is rationalized as being 'okay and not racist' the stupider it reads, sounds and looks.
 
scorcho said:
the more this is rationalized as being 'okay and not racist' the stupider it reads, sounds and looks.
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Who the hell is rationalizing this as ok? If you happen to be referring to me (not sure if you are, so feel free to correct me) then I've said repeatedly it's NOT ok to call Obama a chimpanzee and it's also not ok to do the same for Bush. It seems however there are a lot of people that think one is ok and the other is not.
 
Triumph said:
Because one is fucking racism, you dork. DUH. When you compare Bush to a chimp, you're comparing his intelligence or what have you to that of a chimp. When you compare Obama, you're engaging in a negative stereotype that's HUNDREDS OF YEARS OLD. Should I draw you a fucking diagram in mspaint or are you that fucking obtuse?
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I, for one, would like to see that diagram.
 
scorcho said:
comparing a black person to a monkey doesn't have a racial connotation?

i've also heard white people call other white people nigger (NYC is fun like that), as well as Latinos, Asians, etc. - am i to take it that the word is now sufficiently desensitized?
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What is the exact racial connotation that you're associating with the "monkey" insult? When you call someone a monkey, you're implying that they're ignorant, uncivilized, and filthy. I don't see how that is somehow more specific to black people than it is to whites.
 
Gaborn said:
Sure it has a racial connotation historically, but it's also a generic insult to any other human being. Is it marginally worse to refer to Obama that way? sure, if that helps you sleep at night. That doesn't mean it's not insulting at all to dehumanize Bush in the same way, because the same exact reason that calling Obama a "monkey" (that it is an inherently dehumanizing term) applies to Bush (because it's not ok to dehumanize him either, even if whites were not historically called "monkeys").

Triumph - Obviously I'd say that "queer" has a specific cultural connotation unique to gays (and people that are accused of being gay). I'd say that calling any human regardless of skin color a "monkey" is inappropriate, yes/no?
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Of course it's inappropriate, but doing it to a black person is MORE inappropriate.

Bush is a monkey = hurr he's dumb. Inappropriate but not unforgivable.
Obama is a monkey = dude that's kind of racist.

WTF is so hard to get about that???
 
Triumph said:
Of course it's inappropriate, but doing it to a black person is MORE inappropriate.

Bush is a monkey = hurr he's dumb. Inappropriate but not unforgivable.
Obama is a monkey = dude that's kind of racist.

WTF is so hard to get about that???
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Sorry, but comparing ANYONE to a monkey is not saying they're dumb, it's suggesting they're sub human.
 
Triumph said:
WTF is so hard to get about that???
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pretty hard apparently.

i hope to reclaim the following things now on behalf of all non-blacks since racism has lost its historical context -

nooses
white hoods and robes
confederate flag
'nigger'
 
Gaborn said:
I don't care if there is more racial history calling blacks "monkeys" as a insult to their intellect and to make them seem sub human\
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Then GTFO. Part of any rational discussion requires taking context into account.

You don't care about historical context, so you have nothing to offer.
 
bishoptl said:
Then GTFO. Part of any rational discussion requires taking context into account.

You don't care about historical context, so you have nothing to offer.
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But that's the thing, I don't see the relevance of historical context with this insult. To me, my genetics, the fact that I'm HUMAN is more important than my race. I'd much rather be black than, say, an iguana, or a chimpanzee. Or... anything else. To me the insult itself is more insulting as a HUMAN BEING than as a member of a particular race. In that sense I think the insult is equally insulting when used against blacks or whites today because it's flat out wrong to refer to ANY person as a sub human (well unless they're a furry and that's what they want, but that's a whole different can of worms).
 
Gaborn said:
Sorry, but comparing ANYONE to a monkey is not saying they're dumb, it's suggesting they're sub human.
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I'm sorry but that's a stupid argument. Blacks have dealt with claims of sub-human stature for hundreds of years thanks to faux science and eugenics - whites haven't. Historical context and connotation is key to this issue. YES it's insulting to suggest any human is of equal mental capacity to an ape. But calling a white person an ape is very different from calling a black person an ape
 
This is a stupid idea, but if the shirts were made for anyone that wasn't black there wouldn't be a problem..
Also, hick can be a pretty derogatory term. Why is there no problem saying this guy "looks like the biggest hick."

This shirt can easily be looked at in a racist context, but it doesn't have to be. Just because there is the potential for it be taken as racist doesn't mean that's the intention.
 
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