Felix Lighter
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Well CCP is definitely a company I could see continuing to iterate on a title that may seem very niche.
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Oculus Rift available for preorder for $599.99, shipping in March
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chrominance
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Now I want to know if joystick force feedback is still a thing, because I have a Saitek Cyborg Force Feedback stick around here somewhere and I really hope Valkyrie supports it.
randomengine
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Competing with UHD launch. Not a good idea.
What do you mean? What the scope of this "launch" that may impact Oculus' HMD.?
Just in the Xbox One controller being used for Valkyrie, not in the headset.
So, I was able to get into the Eve Valkyrie Alpha. Goddamn, it's fucking amazing. Dogfighting around like that really gets to you in an amazing way.
I can't wait to see it in the CV1. I've been spoiled too much by the Vive we have at the studio. It's hard for me to get into the DK2 now. lol
My first match and I got third place. Not bad. lol
Running it on a 780 Ti, the game is very smooth barring some framedrops and judder during a shitton of stuff going on screen. Other than that smooth as butter.
I can't wait to see it in the CV1. I've been spoiled too much by the Vive we have at the studio. It's hard for me to get into the DK2 now. lol
My first match and I got third place. Not bad. lol
Running it on a 780 Ti, the game is very smooth barring some framedrops and judder during a shitton of stuff going on screen. Other than that smooth as butter.
I'm stupid jealous right now.
But Xbox One controller haptics don't work on PC.
They do, not sure about about the trigger ones but the main ones work just fine in my experience.
Played it with my HOTAS sticks and it works really well surprisingly. Tricks your brain more really.
wanderingprostheyltite
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This is good to hear, was wondering how good hotas support was for it.
Wow, a 780 TI runs it well? Thats great news for people who dont wanna spend 600 on a graphics card.
Isn't a Ti like in-between a 970 and 980? Should be good to go.
Man, Palmer Luckey sure loves Sword Art Online, he tweets about it all the time. I love that he's such a nerd.
https://twitter.com/PalmerLuckey/status/689643045097082880
https://twitter.com/PalmerLuckey/status/689643045097082880
Which HOTAS setup do you use? Since I'm getting my Rift for free, I figured I would dump the money I set aside for that into a HOTAS for Eve Valkyrie, Elite: Dangerous, Star Citizen and whatever DCS games look cool for VR.
Big Takeover
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Runs it well...on a DK2. If anything, be more afraid.
BizzyBum
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An MMO in VR that is actually good will probably be the revival that the MMO genre needs.
Also, I'm wondering if I should just get a totally new PC when this comes out. Does anyone know if these "Oculus Ready" PC's are good for the price or are you still better just buying everything separate and building?
I'm using the X55 Rhino from Saitek so it's one of the more modern ones. I just have to fucking figure out how to use brakes and chaff since I still don't know how to activate those. There's no way in game to alter hotkeys. lol
I was surprised I got third without knowing those two things. haha
I'm running on Epic btw which is the highest settings. No way I'm gonna pony up for a 980 Ti or something now. Pascal should be coming soon and my OC on my graphics card should be enough to last me till Pascal.
Haint
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Maybe not the best time to have plunked that much on a Ti when AMD's presumed top line Polaris GPU's are already being spotted on shipping manifests. Very possible those cards are going to be out along side Rift (if not sooner), and will leave Nvidia either scrambling to rush out Pascal or price drop their current crop (assuming they're not already targeting a VR release window, which my guess is they are). Not like there's anything coming out between now and Rift that would cripple SLI 970's. Remember these new cards represent TWO generations of die shrinks, and VR and 4K are really upping performance demands and expectations. I will be very surprised if the 1070 or 490 class cards aren't faster than (or at least on par with) the 980Ti.
flyinpiranha
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Really? This is great news. I was hoping Pascal would be out around-ish the Rift launch, I have an R9 290 right now and just upgraded everything else, so a new card around Rift time is what I'm thinking. If AMD drops something amazing, it will be hard to pass up if Nvidia doesn't have something close around that time, too.
I can't be the only person thinking this. Even by low estimates there are thousands or Rifts shipping in late March, that means a ton of people will want to upgrade at that time (IMO) or close to. Being the first out the door is probably more important now than any time in the past few years of GPU launches.
Vyse The Legend
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Good information to know. I was planning on finally upgrading my 760 to a 980, but it sounds like I should definitely wait.
I think Luckey's Tale is more a demo of the potential of 3rd person perspective gaming than something one is going to want to replay I 5 years time - which is a strange, arbitrary metric to use.
It's just one way to assess whether a game was appealing primarily based on its novelty or if it also had exceptional mechanics / gameplay. 5 years is somewhat arbitrary, but intended to be long enough that the game is no longer novel, but not so long as to make it archaic due to changes in its genre. I'll give you two contrasting examples.
Exhibit A: Mario 64 - Even after several other free-roaming 3D platformers like Banjo and DK64 (and arguably even Mario Sunshine) came along, it was still the game-of-choice for many players. Two decades later, it's still pretty fun, even if it is showing its age and the technology is long outdated.
Exhibit B: Battle Arena Toshinden - This game generated a lot of hype around the launch of the PSX for its 3D graphics and ability to move off-axis and got a lot of good reviews on release. However just a few years later after the release of a couple Virtua Fighter and Tekken games, the general verdict was that it wasn't worth playing because the core gameplay just wasn't very good.
Personally, Luckey's Tale look more like a Toshinden to me than a Mario 64. That doesn't mean it won't be entertaining - I owned Toshinden and played it quite a bit - but I don't think that someone who waits a year or two to buy a VR headset (or buys a non-Oculus headset) will feel regret about not playing Luckey's Tale at launch.
flyinpiranha
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Nope.
Dreamwriter
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nVidia is going to be releasing a new line of cards this summer, current card prices will drop when that happens. AMD is doing the same thing, though it's not known when their new cards are launching.
DunderHassan
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It will be in standby mode until an app/game "activates" it and turn off when you exit, so you won't have to worry about messing around in display manager or anything.
Skulduggery
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The main thing that matters on that front, is that the HMD shuts itself off when not in use, so you don't burn-in images on your fancy new display panels. I know both Vive & Rift have this function.
Not sure how Windows behaves with an HMD attached all the time, though.
DK1 and early-software DK2 were detected as displays and could actually cause some issues. With later SDK versions they completely bypass normal windows display handling (preventing such issues), and I assume the same will be true for the final version.
Thanks everyone. Yeah I'd read about DK2 being a bit tricky so it's good they've worked around that
plagiarize
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DK2 *was* tricky early on, but in recent builds of the SDK it isn't tricky at all. I leave mine connected all the time (unless I need to use that HDMI port for another display). The DK2 has an on off button. When you turn it on, you get a message in the task tray that a headset has been detected. It'll sit in a kind of standby mode, not using the screen at all from that point on until when you play a game that is built for one of the more recent builds of the SDK, then it 'just works'... turning on when the game starts talking to it.
I'm new be nice
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I think you're almost certainly right.
Listening to their design philosophy for the game makes me very curious and excited to give it a try, however.
It sounds like they really want to be those pioneers of a new medium or dimension of play, and taking the concept of Mario 64s: "we don't have the time to make a ton of levels, so we'll find a way for you to do a lot in the ones we have" definitely scratches the right itch of nostalgia for me in that respect. I always loved the sense of place I got from Mario 64, because you'd always return to these same levels and uncover something new about them.
My fear is that the best use for this new perspective is "aiming things with your head", as that is the only thing i've seen so far, outside of the normal game-play conventions we already know. If that's all they have than it absolutely is a mere demo of potential 3rd person gaming.
What I think they have the chance for here, and what they probably won't go for due to a drive to connect with as many gamers of various skillsets as possible, is real honest to goodness hardcore platforming.
It hasn't been since 2D sprite based platformers that we have truly had a chance for this kind of fair 3 dimensional platforming. We have depth (something people heralded 3D Land for), we have the ability to truly choose our perspective and no longer fight against a camera, we have great analog controls honed over a decade, numerous lessons learned over the years of good and bad game design, high framerates and an absolute focus on responsiveness.
We have everything we finally need to make the ultimate 3D platformer.
But you're almost certainly right, it'll most likely be forgettable. But somebody is going to make something seriously hardcore at some point.
Dreamwriter
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People have said that the VR point of view also lets you find secrets in Lucky's Tale - you have to look around the environment, around behind things and stuff.
I'm new be nice
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I never even thought about that. I wonder if because of that you yourself will be a "character" in the game, similar to the cloud dude in Mario 64:
If they are trying to invoke the same feeling it would seem fitting, though it would have to be something a little more whimsical than this:
I wonder if they'll present you as a little bird buddy or something
Edit: The more I think about it the more I feel saddened that Miyamoto isn't a part of VR gaming. This all feels like such a natural extension of how he would have approached new and interesting game design. I certainly miss the days when Nintendo didn't try to shy away from more expensive hardware in order to push the envelope creatively.
I don't care if Luckey's tale is shit. I just hope it validates third person cameras in VR so other devs are interested to try it out and we don't just get first person experiences.
Those that have person games, how are they? I would have hit maybe there would be issues caused by the camera not moving how you'd expect (like strafing in first person), but does the third person camera alleviate that because you're conciously disconnected from the character you're controlling?
If so, would this potentially be applicable to a relatively large number of games that could add VR friendly modes in quite simply?
Those that have person games, how are they? I would have hit maybe there would be issues caused by the camera not moving how you'd expect (like strafing in first person), but does the third person camera alleviate that because you're conciously disconnected from the character you're controlling?
If so, would this potentially be applicable to a relatively large number of games that could add VR friendly modes in quite simply?
artsi
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Yep, I think that third person VR games can be very fun.
Think about (for example) RTS games in VR and playing with green army men as a kid. It's the same but now they're realistic, animated and actually engage in firefights. How cool is that?
TIMtationX
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There are 3rd person titles out right now that completely validate the need for 3rd person VR games.
"Mythos of the World Axis" on Oculus Share is absolutely stunning to play. Please look this up if you haven't already.
"Mythos of the World Axis" on Oculus Share is absolutely stunning to play. Please look this up if you haven't already.
Herr Starr
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No need for them to look like toys. They could easily be in true scale, with you levitating above the battlefield. It could make the whole thing really creepy in a good way, especially since seeing the aliens lurking just a few meters below you would feel distinctly real.
This is one of those things that I suspect most people will have a hard time reconciling with what they're used to seeing on their computer screen. We're used to looking at our XCOM soldiers as miniatures because they are so physically small on our screen. One of the things that makes VR unique is that they can still occupy just as little space in the image you're seeing, but you'll get an instant feel for their true size that a monitor would never be able to give you.
Didn't even think of that. I just imagined hovering over the play area, but I like your version better!
DouglasteR
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My only problem with the dk2 is that the PC BIOS is show on it, independent of what is in the other outputs of the vga.
I think Edge of Nowhere should help with that, expect it to be one of the more advertised games at release.
artsi
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Palmer has glasses too and said that it's important for them to have it comfortable, so I trust we will be fine.
From his AMA:
Jesb
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Nice. Thanks.