GoldenHelmet said:As a CONSOLE gamer myself, I'm used to games running at 1280x720 with an FPS of 20 to 40fps (GTA4, Assasins etc) and I am fine with that.
Sounds like you're the perfect guy to be in charge of a PC port then.
GoldenHelmet said:As a CONSOLE gamer myself, I'm used to games running at 1280x720 with an FPS of 20 to 40fps (GTA4, Assasins etc) and I am fine with that.
McKeeverFever said:You obviously didnt shell out your cash on it, id be calm and reasonable if I didn't shell out my hard earned cash on a blatant rushed hack job port.
I did shell out my cash on it and I'm calm and reasonable. It's a terrible port, but it's not beyond salvation. I don't want a refund or anything like that, I simply want a patch that fixes these issues within a reasonable timeframe.McKeeverFever said:You obviously didnt shell out your cash on it, id be calm and reasonable if I didn't shell out my hard earned cash on a blatant rushed hack job port.
McKeeverFever said:You obviously didnt shell out your cash on it, id be calm and reasonable if I didn't shell out my hard earned cash on a blatant rushed hack job port.
Dascu said:I did shell out my cash on it and I'm calm and reasonable. It's a terrible port, but it's not beyond salvation. I don't want a refund or anything like that, I simply want a patch that fixes these issues within a reasonable timeframe.
I second this. Exactly how I feel.Dascu said:I did shell out my cash on it and I'm calm and reasonable. It's a terrible port, but it's not beyond salvation. I don't want a refund or anything like that, I simply want a patch that fixes these issues within a reasonable timeframe.
The latter is preferable, but I can understand if due to the nature of the port, it might be impossible without redoing the entire thing. However, they also promised that PSN asset update down the line, which would probably require a lot of work as well.Pai Pai Master said:Sure, but what's your definition of "fix"? Medium resolutions at 20-40fps or 1920x1080 at 60fps like a typical PC game?
It's been established in this thread that the Munch port job was done by a different company. JAW only added achievements.Teknoman said:I wonder why Munch runs at a really smooth framerate, albeit with crashes, while Stranger runs at around 20 or so (for me anyway) in game...
Anyway, I got stuck at the part where you have the press the right stick in again to change back to third person:
[IMG*]http://i53.tinypic.com/14mcpwy.jpg[/IMG]
Oh and no one likes framerate caps on PC unless it's capped at 60. If you have the ability to run the game at a higher framerate, most PC gamers want to do so.
EDIT: And yeah, some of the reaction posts could've been better thought out. Suggest fixes and post problems as well, dont just throw rocks at the guy.
I was half expecting a graveyard in this thread. But on the one hand the guy didn't seem to understand the demographic he was porting these games for(PC gamers). I'm not sure what JAW as a company normally does.The Friendly Monster said:Wow, way to be complete pricks guys. Don't be surprised when devs don't communicate with you directly.
That still doesn't excuse the poor behavior here. In fact, nothing can excuse that.McKeeverFever said:You obviously didnt shell out your cash on it, id be calm and reasonable if I didn't shell out my hard earned cash on a blatant rushed hack job port.
The Friendly Monster said:Wow, way to be complete pricks guys. Don't be surprised when devs don't communicate with you directly.
Maffis said:lol, We had practically direct influence on what to fix in the game, and some people decided to screw that chance to help :/
Pai Pai Master said:It's probably set to go down in history as one of the most notoriously awful ports we've ever seen. :lol
I'm sure it'll be fixed but I'm not expecting a real PC port like I had expected and it's clear the game should not have been sold as yet. $7.49 was the sale price for just Stranger's Wrath but I definitely would not recommend anyone pay any more than that.
Ultimately, the onus to deliver a complete, satisfying product is up to the developer. If a new game were similarly unfinished and the developer weren't posting here, people would feel no problem trashing incomplete work.The Friendly Monster said:Wow, way to be complete pricks guys. Don't be surprised when devs don't communicate with you directly.
shut up.Holepunch said:...is he serious?
He's serious isn't he?
Excuses, excuses, excuses. Notice the CEO didn't have any. He just said your expectations of 60 FPS NOW!!!!!!!!!! are ridiculous, and they kind of are.kamspy said:This isn't the kind of things that slips through testing.
Teknoman said:I wonder why Munch runs at a really smooth framerate, albeit with crashes, while Stranger runs at around 20 or so (for me anyway) in game...
Anyway, I got stuck at the part where you have the press the right stick in again to change back to third person:
http://i53.tinypic.com/14mcpwy.jpg[IMG]
Oh and no one likes framerate caps on PC unless it's capped at 60. If you have the ability to run the game at a higher framerate, most PC gamers want to do so.
EDIT: And yeah, some of the reaction posts could've been better thought out. Suggest fixes and post problems as well, dont just throw rocks at the guy.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, it does not work clicking the right stick. Push RB/R1
vazel said:I was half expecting a graveyard in this thread. But on the one hand the guy didn't seem to understand the demographic he was porting these games for(PC gamers). I'm not sure what JAW as a company normally does.
yeah. when the CEO came in and started calling people names that was pretty poor behavior.Yasae said:That still doesn't excuse the poor behavior here. In fact, nothing can excuse that.
And on the other hand people were being really rude. It is possible to complain without laughing at someone. Don't bitch about PR speak when you tear someone to pieces who comes on here and talks like a human.vazel said:I was half expecting a graveyard in this thread. But on the one hand the guy didn't seem to understand the demographic he was porting these games for(PC gamers). I'm not sure what JAW as a company normally does.
Team Vernia said:This thread is NeoGAF Hall of Fame material.
The Friendly Monster said:Wow, way to be complete pricks guys. Don't be surprised when devs don't communicate with you directly.
you just blew my mind.Yasae said:Excuses, excuses, excuses. Notice the CEO didn't have any. He just said your expectations of 60 FPS NOW!!!!!!!!!! are ridiculous, and they kind of are.
Easy_D said:There is an old android saying that reminds me quite a bit of this situation. "Hell hath no fury like a PC-Gaf scorned"
Dascu said:The latter is preferable, but I can understand if due to the nature of the port, it might be impossible without redoing the entire thing. However, they also promised that PSN asset update down the line, which would probably require a lot of work as well.
My suggestion would be for a quick patch that brings it to a decent resolution with solid, playable framerates, with the promise of a full revision later on to make it a great PC version.
I'm talking about the behavior which was many, many magnitudes worse, yes. Is that really so difficult to understand?plagiarize said:yeah. when the CEO came in and started calling people names that was pretty poor behavior.
oh wait... you're talking about our behavior? go figure.
We appreciate your willingness to communicate with us. However, we do not appreciate you discrediting some of our grievances. Being that this is a port of a five year old Xbox game, we, at the very least, expect for the game to include some basic features found in almost every PC game, like widescreen support and the ability to use the mouse in the front end menu. Furthermore, given how old the game is, we would hope to at least run this game at a steady 30 FPS, if not 60+. At the moment, machines capable of playing Crysis cannot run Stranger's Wrath without the game looking like a slideshow. Everything from the lack of proper user customization to the Microsoft Paint controller configuration, tells us that this port was rushed for the holiday season. Again, we are glad you have ported the game to the PC. Many of us, myself included, have been waiting years to play this game. We just wish you had given the port a little more thought.GoldenHelmet said:I'm done here guys, I'm just trying to talk to you like an adult and ask for opinion and suggestion, and offer something back.
I'm NOT trying to piss you off, I'm NOT trying to make you look like children or treat you as such.
Good luck and take care.
I don't think the complaints are unwarranted. But posters were just laughing at everything he said. It is not sociable behaviour in any way, and isn't going to help.ShockingAlberto said:Ultimately, the onus to deliver a complete, satisfying product is up to the developer. If a new game were similarly unfinished and the developer weren't posting here, people would feel no problem trashing incomplete work.
That damage control is being done so badly, though perhaps not intentionally so, doesn't really mitigate that.
McKeeverFever said:I dont think necessarily it was aimed at PC Gamers, I personally hate playing games on a PC actually this was one of the first PC games ive gotten in years I bought it purely because of my love for the Oddworld series. All I want is it to be playable I dont expect improvements but I certainly dont expect it to be downgraded from the original.
Yasae said:Excuses, excuses, excuses. Notice the CEO didn't have any. He just said your expectations of 60 FPS NOW!!!!!!!!!! are ridiculous, and they kind of are.
Windowed mode would be nice.Teknoman said:I wouldnt say that. People just expect PC games developed/ported today to take advantage of their config to at least deliver a smooth uncapped framerate.
Psychonauts and even Sonic Heroes/Adventure DX werent designed with PC gamers in mind...but they still perform at a stable framerate with capable PCs.
Phantasy Star Online Blue Burst is probably a different story I guess, but im sure theres a reason that was capped, but even that had custom resolutions to set.
People just want:
- Custom Resolutions
- Stable performance (really Stranger should be able to perform as smooth as Munch, minus crashes)
- Config screen change in Stranger (minor, but it does look MSpaintish)
- Eventual upgrade of the PC Stranger's Wrath to whatever the PS3 version gets
- Control fixes/stabilization for both Munch and Stranger
I'm sure Odyssey and Exodus wont be touched, but they both seem ok for now.
Yasae said:Excuses, excuses, excuses. Notice the CEO didn't have any. He just said your expectations of 60 FPS NOW!!!!!!!!!! are ridiculous, and they kind of are.
bhlaab said:How is it ridiculous to expect a 6 year old port of an Xbox game to run smoothly on a machine 5 times as powerful?
You need a new PC. :lolbhlaab said:How is it ridiculous to expect a 2010 port of a 6 year old Xbox game to run smoothly on a machine 5 times as powerful?
Had the same problem. The game lies, Right Bumper is what switches perspectives.Teknoman said:Anyway, I got stuck at the part where you have the press the right stick in again to change back to third person:
EviLore said:More like 50 times as powerful.
bhlaab said:I was mostly going by CPU. 3ghz / 733mhz = 4x and change
Holepunch said:Had the same problem. The game lies, Right Bumper is what switches perspectives.
I was probably one of the people that drove him away, but honestly releasing that shoddy of a port and thinking that was okay? Surprised people expect 60fps out of an Xbox game? Now he knows theres a standard and he'll just whip some poor programmers to optimize the game in mere days what they couldn't do in 6 months?
I'll be more than happy to be proved wrong. Extremely happy. But I just don't think it's feasible.
Plus CPU architecture efficiency.scitek said:4 cores
and they did five years ago.Teknoman said:I wouldnt say that. People just expect PC games developed/ported today to take advantage of their config to at least deliver a smooth uncapped framerate.
Psychonauts and even Sonic Heroes/Adventure DX werent designed with PC gamers in mind...but they still perform at a stable framerate with capable PCs.
scitek said:4 cores
You have every right to be upset. "HD and 60 fps was never a target" is just astoundingly ludicrous. It's like they're trolling us.plagiarize said:and they did five years ago.
and people, this is GAF. i am allowed to talk to anyone who posts on here the same way i talk to you. if he had come in and said 'hey guys, we've found a glitch that's causing performance issues and are working on getting it fixed' and left it there i'd have had no issues.
instead he came and made it out like i had ridiculously high expectations to expect a five year old game that ran on nine year old hardware to run better than GTA4 and Assassin's Creed on a modern PC.
he lost my respect the moment he threw that shit at me, and so i see no reason why i should treat him with more respect than i'd treat any GAFfer.