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[sykoex]

America = World

You feel Sony is happy to forgo the western market to Microsoft? I would think America is kind of a large priority for them.

 

[digoutyoursoul]

I won't lie, I find the lack of 'good' info about the 720 very disheartening. I understand it hasn't been announced yet but there isn't a positive buzz about the thing. At all.

The only positive rumour I can think of is Alan Wake 2

 

[BeEatNU]

I would buy a PS4 just for a new Oddworld game.

ditto.

I love the originals toooo much.

 

[Barkley's Justice]

DOOM!

GLOOM!

 

[J-Rzez]

If MS doesn't launch the Durango this Holiday season, it's over.

There's no way they let Sony get a jump here, unless their system becomes wildly more powerful for the same price or less, and even then it maybe too late and lock them solidly into 2nd place.

The demand for new hardware is too high at this point. And only the people on GAF who have massive backlogs of games but yet infinite time to post here instead don't want new hardware yet. Even PC only gamers are praying for new consoles so that their games can move on as well.

 

[Majmun]

America = World

People also seem to forget that the Ps3 was released one year later (one and a half year in EU) and with a 499/599 pricetag.

Sony won't make that mistake again. The average CoD player can flipflop anytime anyway...

 

[Toma]

Is there hype for the Xbox 720 at all?

May it die horribly.

 

[wilflare]

So how's Game Cube did?

hmm the third console curse for Nintendo would be.. the N64
NES SNES N64.. right?

 

[Takao]

You feel Sony is happy to forgo the western market to Microsoft? I would think America is kind of a large priority for them.

Well it's a good thing North America isn't the only part of the western world. Microsoft seems very pleased to concede Europe (which the developer who sparked this topic is from) to Sony, and have been doing that for about a decade now.

 

[Doffen]

And Gamestop are everywhere, even in North pole.

I'm not sure about the north pole, but they do have Gamestop in Narvik, Norway.

 

[sykoex]

Well it's a good thing North America isn't the only part of the western world. Microsoft seems very pleased to concede Europe (which the developer who sparked this topic is from) to Sony, and have been doing that for about a decade now.

Good points. All in all I guess things are definitely looking up for Sony come holiday season.

 

[DragonSworne]

Looks like MS is taking a page out of Nintendo 's playbook.

 

[I NEED SCISSORS]

Microsoft really dropped the ball on next-gen. Possibly even more than Nintendo since they at least have something out in the wild.

 

[shadowsdarknes]

Microsoft really dropped the ball on next-gen. Possibly even more than Nintendo since they at least have something out in the wild.

As uninterested as I am for the next Xbox, this is still too early to say.

 

[shinnn]

Microsoft really dropped the ball on next-gen. Possibly even more than Nintendo since they at least have something out in the wild.

how many oddworld games did you played this gen?

 

[pswii60]

I've only read good things about the PS4, contrary to Xbox 720 rumour threads.

And how many good things were you reading about PS4 prior to its announcement? Developers can't exactly sing the praises of an unannounced console, especially when they'll be under NDA. So you're only going to hear from PS4 developers until Durango is finally announced.

Microsoft really dropped the ball on next-gen. Possibly even more than Nintendo since they at least have something out in the wild.

Eh? So does that mean you were saying Sony dropped the ball on next-gen prior to PS4 being announced? Possibly even more than Nintendo?

 

[Takao]

Microsoft really dropped the ball on next-gen. Possibly even more than Nintendo since they at least have something out in the wild.

It's way too early to say things like that.

 

[Anticitizen One]

Durango will join the greats!

 

[Jac_Solar]

How come most previous consoles haven't had x86 pc architecture? Did they develop their own systems to make it harder for people to "open up", or perhaps because they could streamline their own, customized hardware, far more efficiently? Etc..

 

[Miles Quaritch]

I thought Microsoft had a team/studio dedicated to acquiring (perhaps not the correct terminology) games from European developers?

What happened? I'm talking in a broader sense, not just about JAW.

 

[Arkham]

lock if old :

http://www.gamesabyss.com/in-odd-we-trust-an-interview-with-oddworld-inhabitants/

Not reading anymore right now. They're assholes for shafting the PS2 for that MS moneyhat. I was dying for That game. In time I'll give a shit, but that Lorne guy was a cunt.

 

[pswii60]

I thought Microsoft had a team/studio dedicated to acquiring (perhaps not the correct terminology) games from European developers?

What happened? I'm talking in a broader sense, not just about JAW.

Well any games they've acquired for Durango won't be announced or discussed until Durango is announced and NDAs are lifted. That's what's happened.

Did you see developers talking openly about PS4 development before PS4 was announced?

 

[Spring-Loaded]

Are both Abe games good? Would it be best to play both?

 

[Anticitizen One]

Not reading anymore right now. They're assholes for shafting the PS2 for that MS moneyhat. I was dying for That game. In time I'll give a shit, but that Lorne guy was a cunt.

They paid a heavy price for that

 

[I NEED SCISSORS]

how many oddworld games did you played this gen?

That's not really relevant to their opinion of the hardware though. The impression I get from the vast majority of devs - indies musing about the smoother new certification process, big name third party support (Capcom, Square etc), and Sony's own in-house teams jizzing over hardware surprises even they didn't know about - all points to PS4 really catering to just about everybody involved. There is literally nothing to say for Microsoft's new box, and also look at stuff like how XBLA went downhill, their already limited first party stable, a no doubt huge Kinect 2.0 focus, and then Sony being able to secure big DLC exclusives from even the loyalest companies like Bungie - all this points to a MS in steep decline over the last couple of years while Sony rises and rises to fill the opened gaps.

Eh? So does that mean you were saying Sony dropped the ball on next-gen prior to PS4 being announced? Possibly even more than Nintendo?

They could have announced something much sooner, sure, but at the very least when they did it turned things around considerably. Here's PS4, looks good, plenty of dev support, out this year, boom. Based on the position that the 360 has been in for the last couple of years (mentioned above), I don't have nearly as much faith in Microsoft doing the same. Everyone is at least slightly accountable for this gen lasting fucking ages.

 

[Ol No Bones]

Microsoft really dropped the ball on next-gen. Possibly even more than Nintendo since they at least have something out in the wild.

Wow gaf is funny.

 

[Mifune]

How exactly has XBLA gone downhill? It's still got a ton of good exclusives.

 

[Ol No Bones]

How exactly has XBLA gone downhill? It's still got a ton of good exclusives.

I am convinced the people who bash the 360 about everything don't own one.

 

[pswii60]

That's not really relevant to their opinion of the hardware though. The impression I get from the vast majority of devs - indies musing about the smoother new certification process, big name third party support (Capcom, Square etc), and Sony's own in-house teams jizzing over hardware surprises even they didn't know about - all points to PS4 really catering to just about everybody involved. There is literally nothing to say for Microsoft's new box, and also look at stuff like how XBLA went downhill, their already limited first party stable, a no doubt huge Kinect 2.0 focus, and then Sony being able to secure big DLC exclusives from even the loyalest companies like Bungie - all this points to a MS in steep decline over the last couple of years while Sony rises and rises to fill the opened gaps.

Are you really this ignorant? Of course there's nothing to say. It hasn't been announced yet. NDAs. Nobody had anything to say about PS4 before it was announced.

 

[Jac_Solar]

Not reading anymore right now. They're assholes for shafting the PS2 for that MS moneyhat. I was dying for That game. In time I'll give a shit, but that Lorne guy was a cunt.

It was nothing about money, we didn’t receive a dime from Microsoft, contrary to some beliefs, it just seemed a logical choice, at that time, to work with Microsoft.

And also;

Stranger's Wrath, Oddworld Inhabitants' second Xbox exclusive release, was met with incredibly poor sales. According to Lorne Lanning, co-founder and president of Oddworld Inhabitants, Electronic Arts - the developer's publisher at the time – failed to market the game properly and, as such, sabotaged the title and "condemned it to failure". It was then that Oddworld Inhabitants faced a possible acquisition from EA, to which Lanning's famously turned down.

http://www.gamesabyss.com/in-odd-we-trust-an-interview-with-oddworld-inhabitants/

 

[Cheech]

The next Xbox is screwed because the developer of an irrelevant platformer says MS isn't working with them, ostensibly due to being the developer of an irrelevant platformer? This is the argument?

Man, this is gonna be a long year.

 

[ChosenPredator]

I am convinced the people who bash the 360 about everything don't own one.

I am to , seeing way to much discounting XBLA lately it has to be some type of trolls, lol.

 

[Mifune]

I really recommend that people listen to that Lorne Lanning interview on the Playstation podcast from the PS4 unveil. He's one smooth motherfucker and as passionate about gaming as ever (contrary to popular opinion). Beware, though...he loves the PS4 so if that sort of thing angers or upsets you, steer clear.

 

[digoutyoursoul]

That's not really relevant to their opinion of the hardware though. The impression I get from the vast majority of devs - indies musing about the smoother new certification process, big name third party support (Capcom, Square etc), and Sony's own in-house teams jizzing over hardware surprises even they didn't know about - all points to PS4 really catering to just about everybody involved. There is literally nothing to say for Microsoft's new box, and also look at stuff like how XBLA went downhill, their already limited first party stable, a no doubt huge Kinect 2.0 focus, and then Sony being able to secure big DLC exclusives from even the loyalest companies like Bungie - all this points to a MS in steep decline over the last couple of years while Sony rises and rises to fill the opened gaps.



They could have announced something much sooner, sure, but at the very least when they did it turned things around considerably. Here's PS4, looks good, plenty of dev support, out this year, boom. Based on the position that the 360 has been in for the last couple of years, I don't have nearly as much faith in Microsoft doing the same. Everyone is at least slightly accountable for this gen lasting fucking ages.

How is XBLA going downhill ? To be fair you could of said the same thing of GTA DLC for 360/PS3 and like Destiny, that is just one title. For all we know Microsoft could of secured third party exclusive DLC for another Durango third party game or even different content for Destiny.

This thing needs to be announced ASAP really, granted the rumours are hardly exciting but to write it off without any confirmation of the system and it's games just lacks common sense.

 

[The Lamp]

I am convinced the people who bash the 360 about everything don't own one.

I mean I own one and it's a pitiful investment for me for the past 4 years. Most of the games I like for it are available elsewhere and I don't have to pay for online multiplayer elsewhere....the only reason I keep it around now is for when I finish my backlog and eventually pick up Bayonetta. Then again, I don't really enjoy XBLA/indie games so I haven't been attached to that.

Regardless, it's alarming that MS isn't just quiet to the public, they're quiet to the development community as well. I mean they are announcing a console this year, right?

 

[Chuck Norris]

And how many good things were you reading about PS4 prior to its announcement? Developers can't exactly sing the praises of an unannounced console, especially when they'll be under NDA. So you're only going to hear from PS4 developers until Durango is finally announced.

Eh? So does that mean you were saying Sony dropped the ball on next-gen prior to PS4 being announced? Possibly even more than Nintendo?

its hard to judge MS, but letting Sony gain first mover advantage was a bad decision by MS. And the more time that goes without a reveal means more time for bad feelings to fester. It doesn't help that all rumours and leaks from the MS camp aren't too good

 

[keit4]

Oh, this is one of THESE threads. Bailing out.

 

[Jac_Solar]

Well it's a good thing North America isn't the only part of the western world. Microsoft seems very pleased to concede Europe (which the developer who sparked this topic is from) to Sony, and have been doing that for about a decade now.

Wouldn't be surprised if the next Xbox is American only. If they actually do go online only, it doesn't seem like they would be interested in supporting Europe, since a lot of the Xbox 360 support has already been quite bad in some European countries I believe.

I mean, if they are making it online only, and want to sell it in Europe, I would have imagined that they would have started setting up a network structure for the current Xbox 360 to test certain features out, access, etc, and then hook the next Xbox onto that structure.

Maybe it's not necessary, maybe they would sell the next Xbox in Europe with offline capabilities (That is, if it is online only. It might not be.), etc.

 

[pswii60]

its hard to judge MS, but letting Sony gain first mover advantage was a bad decision by MS. And the more time that goes without a reveal means more time for bad feelings to fester. It doesn't help that all rumours and leaks from the MS camp aren't too good

The bad feelings on a videogame forum won't have much of a bearing on the success of the next Xbox. Let's be honest, the real world is getting in with their lives and couldn't give a shit.

 

[Mifune]

Holy hell, the next Xbox is not going to be US only.

 

[shinnn]

That's not really relevant to their opinion of the hardware though. The impression I get from the vast majority of devs - indies musing about the smoother new certification process, big name third party support (Capcom, Square etc), and Sony's own in-house teams jizzing over hardware surprises even they didn't know about - all points to PS4 really catering to just about everybody involved. There is literally nothing to say for Microsoft's new box, and also look at stuff like how XBLA went downhill, their already limited first party stable, a no doubt huge Kinect 2.0 focus, and then Sony being able to secure big DLC exclusives from even the loyalest companies like Bungie - all this points to a MS in steep decline over the last couple of years while Sony rises and rises to fill the opened gaps.

wow.. go back to your stealth troll mode man.

BIG DLC exclusives. You don't even know what the DLC is. lol.

XBLA went downhill.. wat.

 

[pswii60]

Wouldn't be surprised if the next Xbox is American only. If they actually do go online only, it doesn't seem like they would be interested in supporting Europe, since a lot of the Xbox 360 support has already been quite bad in some European countries I believe.

I mean, if they are making it online only, and want to sell it in Europe, I would have imagined that they would have started setting up a network structure for the current Xbox 360 to test certain features out, access, etc, and then hook the next Xbox onto that structure.

Maybe it's not necessary, maybe they would sell the next Xbox in Europe with offline capabilities (That is, if it is online only. It might not be.), etc.

You do know why they recruited Phil Harrison last year, right?

Hint: It wasn't so he could help grow their North American market.

 

[Ding-Ding]

Not having dev kits is one thing, no communication is something else entirely.

What the hell are MS playing at. Its starting to sound like MS are suffering from the same cocky attitude that Sony had at the start of this generation.

I know there have been warning signs along the way. Bizzare Creations lead bitchslapping them to the press and other developers on twitter recently saying that MS latch on to success and their most recent success was to piss off developers.

I seriously think they believe they are the be all & end all in the industry and if thats the case, they deserve a kick in the bollocks

 

[valkillmore]

Durango will join the greats!
*pics

but those systems were great. what is your point

 

[rouken]

maybe MS is focusing all of their resources on 1st party games right now that they don't have anything left to moneyhat those small 3rd party devs.

i really hope this is the case.

 

[Mifune]

maybe MS is focusing all of their resources on 1st party games right now that they don't have anything left to moneyhat those small 3rd party devs.

i really hope this is the case.

I really don't think there are going to be much in the way of third party exclusives for either console.

Indies that MS and Sony fund, sure. Japanese games that devs won't bother porting to Xbox, okay. But not much more than that.

 

[digoutyoursoul]

Not having dev kits is one thing, no communication is something else entirely.

What the hell are MS playing at. Its starting to sound like MS are suffering from the same cocky attitude that Sony had at the start of this generation.

I know there have been warning signs along the way. Bizzare Creations lead bitchslapping them to the press and other developers on twitter recently saying that MS latch on to success and their most recent success was to piss off developers.

I seriously think they believe they are the be all & end all in the industry and if thats the case, they deserve a kick in the bollocks

What have they done to piss off developers?

 

[Takao]

Wouldn't be surprised if the next Xbox is American only. If they actually do go online only, it doesn't seem like they would be interested in supporting Europe, since a lot of the Xbox 360 support has already been quite bad in some European countries I believe.

I mean, if they are making it online only, and want to sell it in Europe, I would have imagined that they would have started setting up a network structure for the current Xbox 360 to test certain features out, access, etc, and then hook the next Xbox onto that structure.

Maybe it's not necessary, maybe they would sell the next Xbox in Europe with offline capabilities (That is, if it is online only. It might not be.), etc.

I can't see Microsoft not launching in Europe. They're not dominant in that market, but they're not irrelevant like they are in Asia. If (I really don't think they will) they go online-only it certainly will impede any chance at growing in that market.

 

[Satchel]

Seems like MS wants to hide their 2013 upgraded specs from Sony at all costs. I am expecting a massive jump in performance, to around 2.5 TFLOPs with GDDR5 ram

Thing with providing dev kits to these smaller developers is, they tend to leak the specs to various media outlets.

Possible I guess.

Ryse is going strong so we know Crytek are well aware of what's under the hood.

 

[Ding-Ding]

What have they done to piss off developers?

I cant remeber exactly. I know it had to do with a development tool that meant they had to rewrite code for something to do with sound, and they couldn't see anything in the upgrade which warranted the change.

I'll see if I can fish it out but it must have been a couple of months ago and these damn people do 10+ updates a day