Kandrick
GAF's Ed McMahon
He is too busy counting the money to think about that.
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Oddworld: Stranger's Wrath not coming to 360 anytime soon
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He is too busy counting the money to think about that.
Sony does
Speedymanic
Banned
You made some wild accusations, it's not unfair or unwarranted to ask for an actual source.
Hearsay is great, but it's hardly reliable and shouldn't be used as cast iron proof that something underhanded is going on.
It's good enough for most gaming websites.
Speedymanic
Banned
dat Gaming journalism, etc.
Wiiware is a thing of the past now so I don't really see the point of discussing it. Nintendo has done a lot to rectify those changes in their e-shop platform.
I could go a lot into the failures of Wiiware seeing as it has been around a long time and a lot of that ignore is readily available.
On the other hand the e-shop hasn't been around too long so there is only so much I could say based on observation and what little developers have talked about.
As for PSN I've never read much about it, but Sony does seem a lot more flexible to work with.
But I'm also taking into consideration Apple,Android and Steam as digital platforms.
XBLA was an important service when it first started gaining traction. Made a lot of headway for small and Indie developers. That's great, but digital platforms have been changing constantly since then. They have become more flexible, and more open.
MS in recent years has been dead focused on the entertainment aspect of their console and in my opinion that has had adverse effects for their digital platform. It has been allowed to stagnate.
Who knows maybe there will be drastic changes with the 720 dunno.
I'd go in more detail but it is a pain typing on a tablet, haha.
I kinda went off tangent seeing as how this isn't really a thread to discuss MS digital policies.
Domstercool
Member
Anyone asking about the Microsoft rule with same release dates. It's here.
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-08-24-why-microsoft-wont-publish-psn-firsts
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-08-24-why-microsoft-wont-publish-psn-firsts
I don't think there's a complete list, no. But i know for a fact they allow developers to publish their own games
ThisWreckage
Banned
It won't. They want complete control. Developers who value their titles will just go elsewhere.
Couldn't be further from the truth. I had a blast platinuming this game.
What did you find repetitive?
SolidSnakex
Member
That's really a major point of their Pub Fund program
http://www.joystiq.com/2009/03/26/gdc09-sony-encourages-psn-exclusivity-with-pub-fund/
famousmortimer
Banned
We aren't in a court room or crafting an article for a publication/website. We are on a videogame forum. Conversations can be looser here.
In fact, I run a vita site, and I didn't post it there... because, yes, it won't fly there without sources on the record.
And this is the last I'm going to talk about it. I put out there what i know. Believe it, don't believe it, whatever. If it doesn't fit your narrative of MICROSOFT IS GREAT i'm gonna guess you will dismiss it. Which is FINE! It's video games, who cares.
Dont they have some rules though, or you can publish anything ?
I mean if they have rules, which is probable, you may need extra funds to comply or a publisher to take care of things like testing, localization etc
Maybe bigger studios can take care of these, but the more indie the developer, i think the less chances he has to avoid going through the support of a publisher
Is there any self published game on PSN btw ?
Speedymanic
Banned
The collecting of bounties, the gameplay in between collecting bounties, etc. It all feels tired and repetitive, maybe I just played it too much on the OG Xbox.
It was a revelation on the OG, not so much on PSN.
snoopeasystreet
Member
Ah right. I was trying to think what would of had to be changed to put it on 360. That VF texture thing sounds horrible.
Yes, and most of them are indie developers
e.g. DrinkBox studios publish their own games on PSN
Playdead published Limbo
etc
Two much better posts further down
Speedymanic
Banned
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
Kenshin001
Member
There are a ton of self published games on PSN. I just did a search and got this:
Top 10 Best-Selling Indie PSN Games of 2011 – Third-Party Self-Published
Limbo (Playdead)
Castle Crashers (The Behemoth)
TestYourself Psychology (Creat Studios)
Marvel Pinball (Zen Studios)
Worms 2 Armageddon (Team 17)
Dungeon Defenders (Trendy Entertainment)
Armageddon Riders (Targem Games)
Braid (Number None Inc.)
UnderSiege (Seed Studios)
Hamsterball (TikGames)
The game Pid coming up will be self published on PSN, but they had to get a 3rd party for XBLA.
SolidSnakex
Member
All Pub Fund games are self published. So, that means stuff like Joe Danger, Eufloria, About a Blob, Burn Zombie Burn etc. Novastrike was the first self-published PSN game, and that was released in 08.
Because he knows if he talks to the press Microsoft will likely be an even bigger bitch?
ShockingAlberto
Member
I'm not going to say they're lying, but I don't exactly trust them.
famousmortimer
Banned
Here, my stupid ass just got a more accurate report than Eurogamer.
Surface of Me
I'm not an NPC. And neither are we.
I bet one of the publishers is WB.
Maybe just Microsoft got burned by the Oddowlrd-license or something; and just didn't wanted to say "No we don't want to publish more Oddworld games"... that directly. 
Back then they published Munch's Odyssey and even allowed the Game Boy Advance port/game (like with the other GBA games, published by THQ)...then passed on Stranger's Wrath; but was still released as an Xbox exclusive through EA (which according to the word back then; also made things difficult and release the game as if nothing of interest was released).
Back then they published Munch's Odyssey and even allowed the Game Boy Advance port/game (like with the other GBA games, published by THQ)...then passed on Stranger's Wrath; but was still released as an Xbox exclusive through EA (which according to the word back then; also made things difficult and release the game as if nothing of interest was released).
IdreamofHIME
Member
There's a lot of Venom in that article. He's been screwed over by MS at some point or the whole thing is a parody.
Speculating XBLA could turn into a Mahjong service is hilarious.
Speedymanic
Banned
Others devs have spoken out, nothing has happened there.
Sounds like BS. Guy devoted a decade to the game (I think) and now he's letting MS dictate when it's released across all platforms? Don't believe it for a second.
Have other developers spoken out before their game has even been certified by Microsoft? I'm sure if this is indeed happening to Retro City Rampage the dude will have stories to tell once the game is finally available.
Here, my stupid ass just got a more accurate report than Eurogamer.
updated OP, thanks
Palette Swap
Member
That's the thing: MS really sound shitty in the way they run their ship but these guys have messing with the PC versions forever.
Kandrick
GAF's Ed McMahon
Here, my stupid ass just got a more accurate report than Eurogamer.
You run a vita site ? Make sense.
snoopeasystreet
Member
That's true actually. Didn't they fuck up the oddbox's release on steam and then said that there's nothing wrong with the port (or something like that)?
Speedymanic
Banned
Pretty sure a couple have, but don't hold me to it. I'm on my phone so can't check.
Anyway, it Makes zero sense, what can MS realistically do if he pushes ahead with a Steam, vita and triple release?
And if that is policy, why is Quantum Conumdrum available on Steam right now? Why didn't force the smaller dev to delay its release as they are supposedly doing to RCR?
famousmortimer
Banned
Refuse to publish RCR, presumably.
snoopeasystreet
Member
Probably because Microsoft are publishing RCR while Quantum Conundrum is being release by Square Enix.
Barkley's Justice
Member
Yea, I hope MS' weird requirements are lightened for next-gen. With a 4th machine/platform likely on the market in the next 5 years (Steambox, iTV, Gaikai, what have you) there's just no way MS will be able to justify that nonsense.
famousmortimer
Banned
Trendy did, but only on their site. And they weren't flaming MS or anything, they just explained to us fans on the site that the game was ready to go for the PS3 and PC but they were waiting on 360 certification.
And then months passed. And they said they were resubmitting. Didn't say why.
And then more months passed and they never peeped a word about it again until the game was out.
For those who want sources on this, they don't delete their forums, so go be a newshound
OldJadedGamer
Banned
There are even games that start off self published on PSN that move over to XBLA because of the userbase and sales like Joe Danger. You really can't ignore the service.
Speedymanic
Banned
But by pushing ahead with other releases, he forces their hand. Would they really risk being the only service without the game?
The negative press alone would damage the services image quite significantly among gamers and devs.
It just doesn't make any sense.
Very true, didn't think of that.
Barkley's Justice
Member
What exactly does a publisher do in a digital release capacity? Handle contracts? Negotiate biz? I don't see any reason why the developer can not handle those tasks. Indeed, being indie demands that you handle that shit anyway. So wtf? Who is a publisher but a middleman? Why is one necessary as far as Microsoft is concerned?
famousmortimer
Banned
First off, let me be specific.... the clause is for console releases, not Steam. BUT, and it's a big BUT, many developers (and Trendy Entertainment explained this many times) are a bit nervous to release on Steam first because PC releases of smaller games tend to attract "soft pirates" as they dubbed them. People who don't usually pirate, but might if they have to wait a long time to play the game.
That's why with most of these games the steam version is out that week. Hardcore pirates will pirate, there's no stopping them. But releasing the steam version at the same time eliminates the soft pirate. I have no data on this, Trendy and others who have discussed it have never brought any up, but it makes sense. I'm dying to play "TOY Trials 3D" on XBLA and it's out on Steam but the XBLA version is still a ways off... well, i can just steal it and play it now. But ill buy it when it comes out on XBLA. Oh, wait, no i wont, i already played it. All hypothetical, but I think that's what devs worry about.
Also, it's written into the contract. If they release first on PSN/Wiiware/whatever competing console) they will not only not release it, they will open themselves up to litigation. Breach of muthafugggggin contract.
XBLA is the biggest game in town so they can make these rules. In a way I don't blame them. But as a consumer I certainly don't like them. At all.
I'm not familiar enough with Just Add Water to understand. What have they done?
famousmortimer
Banned
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Just_Add_Water_(company)
Basically Gravity Crash and now the Oddworld games.
And if you haven't played it.... Gravity Crash is FANTASTIC. It's on the PSP as well.
Oh, haha, I was referring to his statement that they're a joke of a company. I wasn't sure what they had done to receive that opinion.
OldJadedGamer
Banned
This is always the case on any system from the beginning of time. Every company has silly rules that developers and publishers have to live by from Nintendo to Sony to MS.
Next gen Sony will be more prepared and maybe MS won't have the power they have now with XBLA.